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Former ref David Coote - charged with possession of CSA material (p14)

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  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,935
    bolloxbolder said:
    Just caught up with this thread.. Where are the mods.? A thread totally ruined by the same old people.
    They're all out the back queuing up for the cubicle, for some reason.
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,938
    bolloxbolder said:
    Just caught up with this thread.. Where are the mods.? A thread totally ruined by the same old people.
    Seconded
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,913
    SporadicAddick said:
    ME14addick said:
    MrOneLung said:
    yeah but what could have been said was, 'he partook in an illegal activity, got caught and quite rightly is likely to be punished by his employer' rather than going down the route of preaching to everybody the effects the use of this particular drug may have.
    Perhaps the truth about an illegal drug that others have sought to minimise is too difficult to comprehend.
    I'm going to guess that a significant number of the members of this forum have taken a class A drug. 

    Let's put it to the test.

    If you have ever taken an illegal class A drug, like this post.
    If you have never taken an illegal class A drug, give it a LOL.
    Perhaps not the most scientific approach, but all things being equal, somewhat representative?

    5 (including me) say they have, 11 say they haven't.

    Nearly 50%. 

    And I'd suggest the demographic of this group will have (possibly) missed the ecstacy boom of the early 90s and the cocaine boom of the last 20 years.
  • MrBurns
    MrBurns Posts: 1,299
    SporadicAddick said:
    ME14addick said:
    MrOneLung said:
    yeah but what could have been said was, 'he partook in an illegal activity, got caught and quite rightly is likely to be punished by his employer' rather than going down the route of preaching to everybody the effects the use of this particular drug may have.
    Perhaps the truth about an illegal drug that others have sought to minimise is too difficult to comprehend.
    I'm going to guess that a significant number of the members of this forum have taken a class A drug. 

    Let's put it to the test.

    If you have ever taken an illegal class A drug, like this post.
    If you have never taken an illegal class A drug, give it a LOL.
    Nice try officer 
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,209
    SporadicAddick said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    ME14addick said:
    MrOneLung said:
    yeah but what could have been said was, 'he partook in an illegal activity, got caught and quite rightly is likely to be punished by his employer' rather than going down the route of preaching to everybody the effects the use of this particular drug may have.
    Perhaps the truth about an illegal drug that others have sought to minimise is too difficult to comprehend.
    I'm going to guess that a significant number of the members of this forum have taken a class A drug. 

    Let's put it to the test.

    If you have ever taken an illegal class A drug, like this post.
    If you have never taken an illegal class A drug, give it a LOL.
    Perhaps not the most scientific approach, but all things being equal, somewhat representative?

    5 (including me) say they have, 11 say they haven't.

    Nearly 50%. 

    And I'd suggest the demographic of this group will have (possibly) missed the ecstacy boom of the early 90s and the cocaine boom of the last 20 years.
    16 responses in total. So, 5 is just over 30% not nearly 50%! Quite a big difference.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,084
    cafcfan said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    ME14addick said:
    MrOneLung said:
    yeah but what could have been said was, 'he partook in an illegal activity, got caught and quite rightly is likely to be punished by his employer' rather than going down the route of preaching to everybody the effects the use of this particular drug may have.
    Perhaps the truth about an illegal drug that others have sought to minimise is too difficult to comprehend.
    I'm going to guess that a significant number of the members of this forum have taken a class A drug. 

    Let's put it to the test.

    If you have ever taken an illegal class A drug, like this post.
    If you have never taken an illegal class A drug, give it a LOL.
    Perhaps not the most scientific approach, but all things being equal, somewhat representative?

    5 (including me) say they have, 11 say they haven't.

    Nearly 50%. 

    And I'd suggest the demographic of this group will have (possibly) missed the ecstacy boom of the early 90s and the cocaine boom of the last 20 years.
    16 responses in total. So, 5 is just over 30% not nearly 50%! Quite a big difference.
    Those drugs must have pickled his brain!
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,220
    MrOneLung said:
    @ME14addick

    Just to change tack, have you ever gone 33 in a 30mph zone or accidentally creeped over 70 on the motorway? 

    It is illegal but not the same as doing 70 in a 30 zone

    no one is saying breaking the speed limit is a ‘good thing’ but most people will accept the odd discretion. 
    Bump.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,229
    Off_it said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    Just caught up with this thread.. Where are the mods.? A thread totally ruined by the same old people.
    They're all out the back queuing up for the cubicle, for some reason.
    Don’t , on the rare occasion I needed to do a dump when out and the fucking cubicles are being used by punters who want a sniff it would wind me up no end ffs 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,021
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Off_it said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    Just caught up with this thread.. Where are the mods.? A thread totally ruined by the same old people.
    They're all out the back queuing up for the cubicle, for some reason.
    Don’t , on the rare occasion I needed to do a dump when out and the fucking cubicles are being used by punters who want a sniff it would wind me up no end ffs 
    Who’s gonna wanna sniff your shit?!!!!
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,768
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.



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  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,265
    ME14addick said: 
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    Except it was you who derailed the thread. 

    The discussion was about David Coote videos and his use of drugs, you then posted a long fact sheet from NHS Scotland and a link about drug & drink driving. 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,021
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 
    Better to provide facts than state that someone is the  most boring person on the planet.

    My last words on the subject, using cannabis is illegal and the supply chain causes violence, death and the trafficking of children, that cannot be disputed.
    And yet we were so close….
  • JaShea99
    JaShea99 Posts: 5,475
    Yep. Who had under 14.5 hours?
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,768
    stoneroses19 said:
    ME14addick said: 
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    Except it was you who derailed the thread. 

    The discussion was about David Coote videos and his use of drugs, you then posted a long fact sheet from NHS Scotland and a link about drug & drink driving. 
    This was my first post on the subject:

    CAFCsayer said:

    Not sure why he is getting ostracised for a bit of gear. I think half the refs at The Valley this season have been on ket judging by their performances

      ME14addick said: It's an illegal Class A drug.


    Others then posted about the dangers of drug taking, so I posted facts about drug taking which I don't think unreasonable when the drug is called 'a bit of gear' or a recreational drug. 

    Posting about avocados, speeding and making comments about being boring ARE derailing the thread, though that doesn't seem to attract the same criticism.




  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,913
    cafcfan said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    ME14addick said:
    MrOneLung said:
    yeah but what could have been said was, 'he partook in an illegal activity, got caught and quite rightly is likely to be punished by his employer' rather than going down the route of preaching to everybody the effects the use of this particular drug may have.
    Perhaps the truth about an illegal drug that others have sought to minimise is too difficult to comprehend.
    I'm going to guess that a significant number of the members of this forum have taken a class A drug. 

    Let's put it to the test.

    If you have ever taken an illegal class A drug, like this post.
    If you have never taken an illegal class A drug, give it a LOL.
    Perhaps not the most scientific approach, but all things being equal, somewhat representative?

    5 (including me) say they have, 11 say they haven't.

    Nearly 50%. 

    And I'd suggest the demographic of this group will have (possibly) missed the ecstacy boom of the early 90s and the cocaine boom of the last 20 years.
    16 responses in total. So, 5 is just over 30% not nearly 50%! Quite a big difference.
    FFS - GCSE maths kicking in. A point well made.
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,938
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    Ok you are completely missing the point. When someone voices an opinion different to anyone else’s that’s exactly what it is a difference of opinion. That should be accepted and to feel the need to re educate anyone who differs from your view is condescending. You copy and paste external links to support your view but the unfortunate thing about the internet is if someone could be bothered they could re post links claiming the opposite information. Or are you saying that only the links that you provide are the truth ?? That is a dangerous perspective to have if you don’t mind me saying.
    anyway tbh I don’t want to get dragged into this my initial post was only trying to make the point that all perspectives are valid even ones different from our own and should be respected 

  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,729
    ME14addick said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    ME14addick said: 
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    Except it was you who derailed the thread. 

    The discussion was about David Coote videos and his use of drugs, you then posted a long fact sheet from NHS Scotland and a link about drug & drink driving. 
    This was my first post on the subject:

    CAFCsayer said:

    Not sure why he is getting ostracised for a bit of gear. I think half the refs at The Valley this season have been on ket judging by their performances

      ME14addick said: It's an illegal Class A drug.


    Others then posted about the dangers of drug taking, so I posted facts about drug taking which I don't think unreasonable when the drug is called 'a bit of gear' or a recreational drug. 

    Posting about avocados, speeding and making comments about being boring ARE derailing the thread, though that doesn't seem to attract the same criticism.




    Someone said this 'It’s illegal for starters and users casually ignore the route by which the product came to them - prostitution , modern day slavery, organised crime, knife and drug crime etc' so I mentioned a product we buy on a daily basis from the supermarket which we casually ignore the route it comes from.
  • JaShea99
    JaShea99 Posts: 5,475
    Yeah but that’s a legal product so the suffering of the people is automatically absolutely fine.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,768
    edited November 2024
    AndyG said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    Ok you are completely missing the point. When someone voices an opinion different to anyone else’s that’s exactly what it is a difference of opinion. That should be accepted and to feel the need to re educate anyone who differs from your view is condescending. You copy and paste external links to support your view but the unfortunate thing about the internet is if someone could be bothered they could re post links claiming the opposite information. Or are you saying that only the links that you provide are the truth ?? That is a dangerous perspective to have if you don’t mind me saying.
    anyway tbh I don’t want to get dragged into this my initial post was only trying to make the point that all perspectives are valid even ones different from our own and should be respected 

    If someone wants to dispute a link I post, they are are free to do so. If they want to dispute the NHS info about drug taking or want to to put an alternative view on how cocaine gets from source to user  they are free to do so, but I haven't seen any. 

    I try to provide links that are true, others do the same on other threads. Are you suggesting that users of this forum should never post links to support what they say?
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,935


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  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    The demand is never, ever going away, the only real solution is to legalise, tax and regulate the market, making it safer for all involved and taking the power and money away from criminals.

    Sadly too many people want a say in what others do with their bodies. 
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,938
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    Ok you are completely missing the point. When someone voices an opinion different to anyone else’s that’s exactly what it is a difference of opinion. That should be accepted and to feel the need to re educate anyone who differs from your view is condescending. You copy and paste external links to support your view but the unfortunate thing about the internet is if someone could be bothered they could re post links claiming the opposite information. Or are you saying that only the links that you provide are the truth ?? That is a dangerous perspective to have if you don’t mind me saying.
    anyway tbh I don’t want to get dragged into this my initial post was only trying to make the point that all perspectives are valid even ones different from our own and should be respected 

    If someone wants to dispute a link I post, they are are free to do so. If they want to dispute the NHS info about drug taking or want to to put an alternative view on how cocaine gets from source to user  they are free to do so, but I haven't seen any. 

    I try to provide links that are true, others do the same on other threads. Are you suggesting that users of this forum should never post links to support what they say?
    Again you’re missing the point. I’m actually not sure if you are being purposely obtuse or not but I will have one last try and then I will throw the towel in. 
    Do you seriously think that people do not know the dangers of drugs ? Do you seriously think that people do not know how the routes to market work ? Ofcourse they do but people still form an opinion which might be different to yours. That doesn’t mean you need to start a process of trying to educate people. Again this isn’t having a go at you I’m trying to explain why so many threads get shut down because people are unwilling to accept other people’s opinions. Read, disagree if needed but move on ! 
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,768
    edited November 2024
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    The demand is never, ever going away, the only real solution is to legalise, tax and regulate the market, making it safer for all involved and taking the power and money away from criminals.

    Sadly too many people want a say in what others do with their bodies. 
    We need better education on the harms  of drug taking. Be careful what you wish for, no link as it is considered condescending:

    It is easy to be dissatisfied with current drugs policies. Kids report they can get drugs relatively easily, and too many of us have suffered the heartbreak of addiction affecting a loved one or ourselves. The market for drugs is violent and deadly.

    But being unhappy with the drug abuse in society is no reason to legalise drugs. In fact, the best evidence we have shows that legalisation would make a bad drug problem much worse - by increasing addiction, normalising use among kids, and relegating its sale to profit-hungry corporations or governments with every incentive to increase addiction to advance their bottom line. Legalisation is a very sloppy way to address the unintended consequences of current policy.

    First, we know that legalisation would significantly cheapen the price of cocaine, cannabis, and heroin, making them more accessible and therefore increasing addiction. 

    Second, it is unclear that a major attraction of legalisation - the supposed reduction of the violent, underground market - would materialise. As governments put restrictions like age limits on legal drugs, the illicit economy will be happy to step in to fill the gap. We know now that at least 22% of the UK domestic tobacco market consists of black market illegal cigarettes.



  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    The demand is never, ever going away, the only real solution is to legalise, tax and regulate the market, making it safer for all involved and taking the power and money away from criminals.

    Sadly too many people want a say in what others do with their bodies. 
    We need better education on the harms  of drug taking. Be careful what you wish for, no link as it is considered condescending:

    It is easy to be dissatisfied with current drugs policies. Kids report they can get drugs relatively easily, and too many of us have suffered the heartbreak of addiction affecting a loved one or ourselves. The market for drugs is violent and deadly.

    But being unhappy with the drug abuse in society is no reason to legalise drugs. In fact, the best evidence we have shows that legalisation would make a bad drug problem much worse - by increasing addiction, normalising use among kids, and relegating its sale to profit-hungry corporations or governments with every incentive to increase addiction to advance their bottom line. Legalisation is a very sloppy way to address the unintended consequences of current policy.

    First, we know that legalisation would significantly cheapen the price of cocaine, cannabis, and heroin, making them more accessible and therefore increasing addiction. 

    Second, it is unclear that a major attraction of legalisation - the supposed reduction of the violent, underground market - would materialise. As governments put restrictions like age limits on legal drugs, the illicit economy will be happy to step in to fill the gap. We know now that at least 22% of the UK domestic tobacco market consists of black market illegal cigarettes.



    Legalisation would take the market away from criminals, meaning less availability for children, also there are countless studies that show legalisation does decrease overall usage of ‘hard drugs’ look at Portugals experiment as a prime example, money spent on incarceration is a total waste, it’s much better spent on education and rehabilitation. 

    Young Americans are far less likely to smoke pot compared to my generation as it’s been normalised and is no longer ‘cool’ simply because of its legal status. 
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,938
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    The demand is never, ever going away, the only real solution is to legalise, tax and regulate the market, making it safer for all involved and taking the power and money away from criminals.

    Sadly too many people want a say in what others do with their bodies. 
    We need better education on the harms  of drug taking. Be careful what you wish for, no link as it is considered condescending:

    It is easy to be dissatisfied with current drugs policies. Kids report they can get drugs relatively easily, and too many of us have suffered the heartbreak of addiction affecting a loved one or ourselves. The market for drugs is violent and deadly.

    But being unhappy with the drug abuse in society is no reason to legalise drugs. In fact, the best evidence we have shows that legalisation would make a bad drug problem much worse - by increasing addiction, normalising use among kids, and relegating its sale to profit-hungry corporations or governments with every incentive to increase addiction to advance their bottom line. Legalisation is a very sloppy way to address the unintended consequences of current policy.

    First, we know that legalisation would significantly cheapen the price of cocaine, cannabis, and heroin, making them more accessible and therefore increasing addiction. 

    Second, it is unclear that a major attraction of legalisation - the supposed reduction of the violent, underground market - would materialise. As governments put restrictions like age limits on legal drugs, the illicit economy will be happy to step in to fill the gap. We know now that at least 22% of the UK domestic tobacco market consists of black market illegal cigarettes.



    Sorry folks I tried !!!! 😂 😂 😂 😂 
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,768
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    The demand is never, ever going away, the only real solution is to legalise, tax and regulate the market, making it safer for all involved and taking the power and money away from criminals.

    Sadly too many people want a say in what others do with their bodies. 
    We need better education on the harms  of drug taking. Be careful what you wish for, no link as it is considered condescending:

    It is easy to be dissatisfied with current drugs policies. Kids report they can get drugs relatively easily, and too many of us have suffered the heartbreak of addiction affecting a loved one or ourselves. The market for drugs is violent and deadly.

    But being unhappy with the drug abuse in society is no reason to legalise drugs. In fact, the best evidence we have shows that legalisation would make a bad drug problem much worse - by increasing addiction, normalising use among kids, and relegating its sale to profit-hungry corporations or governments with every incentive to increase addiction to advance their bottom line. Legalisation is a very sloppy way to address the unintended consequences of current policy.

    First, we know that legalisation would significantly cheapen the price of cocaine, cannabis, and heroin, making them more accessible and therefore increasing addiction. 

    Second, it is unclear that a major attraction of legalisation - the supposed reduction of the violent, underground market - would materialise. As governments put restrictions like age limits on legal drugs, the illicit economy will be happy to step in to fill the gap. We know now that at least 22% of the UK domestic tobacco market consists of black market illegal cigarettes.



    Legalisation would take the market away from criminals, meaning less availability for children, also there are countless studies that show legalisation does decrease overall usage of ‘hard drugs’ look at Portugals experiment as a prime example, money spent on incarceration is a total waste, it’s much better spent on education and rehabilitation. 

    Young Americans are far less likely to smoke pot compared to my generation as it’s been normalised and is no longer ‘cool’ simply because of its legal status. 
    The criminals would turn their attention to supplying more young children, as even the most liberal laws would have to ban the sale of drugs to children under 18, perhaps even under 21.

    Education is key to informing children that they shouldn't start taking drugs. Making them legal only makes those who would otherwise not use drugs, think there cannot be anything wrong with drug taking, if they can be bought legally. That is a very dangerous road to take. 

    At the risk of 'derailing' the thread, look what has happened with vaping, it was originally designed as a tool to stop smoking.  Far fewer children and young people were taking up smoking, as they were constantly warned of the dangers. The reckless marketing of vapes with flavours to attract children has resulted in a whole new generation addicted to nicotine and the long term effects are not fully known.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,768
    AndyG said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    Ok you are completely missing the point. When someone voices an opinion different to anyone else’s that’s exactly what it is a difference of opinion. That should be accepted and to feel the need to re educate anyone who differs from your view is condescending. You copy and paste external links to support your view but the unfortunate thing about the internet is if someone could be bothered they could re post links claiming the opposite information. Or are you saying that only the links that you provide are the truth ?? That is a dangerous perspective to have if you don’t mind me saying.
    anyway tbh I don’t want to get dragged into this my initial post was only trying to make the point that all perspectives are valid even ones different from our own and should be respected 

    If someone wants to dispute a link I post, they are are free to do so. If they want to dispute the NHS info about drug taking or want to to put an alternative view on how cocaine gets from source to user  they are free to do so, but I haven't seen any. 

    I try to provide links that are true, others do the same on other threads. Are you suggesting that users of this forum should never post links to support what they say?
    Again you’re missing the point. I’m actually not sure if you are being purposely obtuse or not but I will have one last try and then I will throw the towel in. 
    Do you seriously think that people do not know the dangers of drugs ? Do you seriously think that people do not know how the routes to market work ? Ofcourse they do but people still form an opinion which might be different to yours. That doesn’t mean you need to start a process of trying to educate people. Again this isn’t having a go at you I’m trying to explain why so many threads get shut down because people are unwilling to accept other people’s opinions. Read, disagree if needed but move on ! 
    Do they understand the routes, I doubt it especially when you see comments like this:

    November 15 edited November 15
    valleynick66 said:
    Nice attitude for them to have in life if those things are unimportant  
    So you think Dave and his mates down the pub who have a blast once in a blue moon when they get away from the their missus and the kids, give a shit about how their gear got from plant to packet?
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,220
    MrOneLung said:
    @ME14addick

    Just to change tack, have you ever gone 33 in a 30mph zone or accidentally creeped over 70 on the motorway? 

    It is illegal but not the same as doing 70 in a 30 zone

    no one is saying breaking the speed limit is a ‘good thing’ but most people will accept the odd discretion. 
    She's still not answered the question.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,021
    edited November 2024
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    Ok you are completely missing the point. When someone voices an opinion different to anyone else’s that’s exactly what it is a difference of opinion. That should be accepted and to feel the need to re educate anyone who differs from your view is condescending. You copy and paste external links to support your view but the unfortunate thing about the internet is if someone could be bothered they could re post links claiming the opposite information. Or are you saying that only the links that you provide are the truth ?? That is a dangerous perspective to have if you don’t mind me saying.
    anyway tbh I don’t want to get dragged into this my initial post was only trying to make the point that all perspectives are valid even ones different from our own and should be respected 

    If someone wants to dispute a link I post, they are are free to do so. If they want to dispute the NHS info about drug taking or want to to put an alternative view on how cocaine gets from source to user  they are free to do so, but I haven't seen any. 

    I try to provide links that are true, others do the same on other threads. Are you suggesting that users of this forum should never post links to support what they say?
    Again you’re missing the point. I’m actually not sure if you are being purposely obtuse or not but I will have one last try and then I will throw the towel in. 
    Do you seriously think that people do not know the dangers of drugs ? Do you seriously think that people do not know how the routes to market work ? Ofcourse they do but people still form an opinion which might be different to yours. That doesn’t mean you need to start a process of trying to educate people. Again this isn’t having a go at you I’m trying to explain why so many threads get shut down because people are unwilling to accept other people’s opinions. Read, disagree if needed but move on ! 
    Do they understand the routes, I doubt it especially when you see comments like this:

    November 15 edited November 15
    valleynick66 said:
    Nice attitude for them to have in life if those things are unimportant  
    So you think Dave and his mates down the pub who have a blast once in a blue moon when they get away from the their missus and the kids, give a shit about how their gear got from plant to packet?
    I said they don’t give a shit, not that they don’t know. Anyone that’s watched a Netflix programme like Narcos knows. They just couldn’t give two shits, probably like not giving a shit about how underpaid people are in a country 3,000 miles away making the phone you use or the clothes on your back.

    Fuck me, for someone who likes to dictate and lecture you are quite dense and insanely judgemental.
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,938
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    ME14addick said:
    AndyG said:
    I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple 

    Are you saying that someone else’s opinion cannot be challenged by providing fact? An opinion might not reflect the truth, so you are in effect saying that in response, you can only state your opinion and not back that up with fact.  

    I am not the one who has derailed this thread, I have tried to stick to the topic, which is about a referee being filmed taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments. If he had been in full control if his faculties, he wouldn’t be in this position

    The trade in this illegal drug causes misery across the world that is indisputable and he only way to stop this misery, is to take away the demand.


    Ok you are completely missing the point. When someone voices an opinion different to anyone else’s that’s exactly what it is a difference of opinion. That should be accepted and to feel the need to re educate anyone who differs from your view is condescending. You copy and paste external links to support your view but the unfortunate thing about the internet is if someone could be bothered they could re post links claiming the opposite information. Or are you saying that only the links that you provide are the truth ?? That is a dangerous perspective to have if you don’t mind me saying.
    anyway tbh I don’t want to get dragged into this my initial post was only trying to make the point that all perspectives are valid even ones different from our own and should be respected 

    If someone wants to dispute a link I post, they are are free to do so. If they want to dispute the NHS info about drug taking or want to to put an alternative view on how cocaine gets from source to user  they are free to do so, but I haven't seen any. 

    I try to provide links that are true, others do the same on other threads. Are you suggesting that users of this forum should never post links to support what they say?
    Again you’re missing the point. I’m actually not sure if you are being purposely obtuse or not but I will have one last try and then I will throw the towel in. 
    Do you seriously think that people do not know the dangers of drugs ? Do you seriously think that people do not know how the routes to market work ? Ofcourse they do but people still form an opinion which might be different to yours. That doesn’t mean you need to start a process of trying to educate people. Again this isn’t having a go at you I’m trying to explain why so many threads get shut down because people are unwilling to accept other people’s opinions. Read, disagree if needed but move on ! 
    Do they understand the routes, I doubt it especially when you see comments like this:

    November 15 edited November 15
    valleynick66 said:
    Nice attitude for them to have in life if those things are unimportant  
    So you think Dave and his mates down the pub who have a blast once in a blue moon when they get away from the their missus and the kids, give a shit about how their gear got from plant to packet?
    Please make it stop !
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