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Hosts chosen for 2030 & 2034 World Cups
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Fill your boots, enjoy supporting a regime that executes homosexuals, allows men to shag kids and that regularly holds public executions in chop-chop square.cafctom said:Qatar was the most exciting tournament in a long time, and from a match going experience was absolutely brilliant. Found it to be more enjoyable than Germany personally, although both were great.I was actually at the Saudi Arabia v Argentina match, which had the best noise and atmosphere of any of the games I saw. Their team is regularly at the World Cup, so the regurgitated suggestion that it’s “not a proper football country” is wide of the mark IMO.I plan to be at every tournament for the foreseeable and will happily go to Saudi and judge the experience for myself rather than what we’re told by those sitting at home 👍
If you're lucky, maybe you can catch public execution while you're there 🙏🏻
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Fill your boots, enjoy supporting a regime that executes homosexuals, allows men to shag kids and that regularly holds public executions in chop-chop square.cafctom said:Qatar was the most exciting tournament in a long time, and from a match going experience was absolutely brilliant. Found it to be more enjoyable than Germany personally, although both were great.I was actually at the Saudi Arabia v Argentina match, which had the best noise and atmosphere of any of the games I saw. Their team is regularly at the World Cup, so the regurgitated suggestion that it’s “not a proper football country” is wide of the mark IMO.I plan to be at every tournament for the foreseeable and will happily go to Saudi and judge the experience for myself rather than what we’re told by those sitting at home 👍
If you're lucky, maybe you can catch public execution while you're there 🙏🏻If someone is deemed “in support” of all those things for going to watch football on an a one off trip, then that’s your view.An extreme one, but I guess that’s the way the world is now when someone has a keyboard in front of them.8 -
Past ? We are shipping weapons and have people all over the world right now.fenaddick said:
Criticising one regime doesn’t mean you endorse another, the British colonial past has nothing to do with the 2034 WCshine166 said:Love all the anti KSA chat, while we as a nation are and have been involved in all sorts that's lead to the deaths millions of others over the years.2 -
It will almost certainly be CONCACAF again, or they'll make a exception for South America to host it as they'll argue the games in 2030 shouldn't count.PopIcon said:
It's bollocks, FIFA can change their own rules at any time. All this stuff about global expansion of football is a rouse, it's 100% about money and people are deluded if they think otherwise.Callumcafc said:FIFA rules say that a confederation can’t host two World Cups within three editions.
In the 2026 & 2030 editions, FIFA have covered North America, South America, Africa and Europe.
Leaving only Asian confederations available to bid.
There was some hope that maybe Australia & NZ might mount a serious bid but this process felt rigged from the get go so I’m not surprised they didn’t put a proper bid on the table.
Which confederations are available for the 2034 World Cup.
2026 - CONCACAF
2030 - UEFA, CAF, CONMEBOL
2034 - AFC
Just OFC, who only really consist of New Zealand. My suggestion would be to play it in Antarctica, that's a genuine expansion of football.
Oh wait, give it to CONCACAF again, which is highly unlikely. Therefore FIFA will be forced to change their own rules.0 -
In that case, which ever genocides kSA are taking part in right now, I'm whole heartedly against.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm pretty sure that Saudi are the leading purchaser of UK arms supplies as well.shine166 said:Love all the anti KSA chat, while we as a nation are and have been involved in all sorts that's lead to the deaths millions of others over the years.0 -
Well sure but apart from the already brought up issue of selling arms to SA it’s still irrelevant in this instanceshine166 said:
Past ? We are shipping weapons and have people all over the world right now.fenaddick said:
Criticising one regime doesn’t mean you endorse another, the British colonial past has nothing to do with the 2034 WCshine166 said:Love all the anti KSA chat, while we as a nation are and have been involved in all sorts that's lead to the deaths millions of others over the years.4 -
Some people have said that the Qatar tournament was better because players were at their fittest rather than knackered at the end of a season, dunno if that is true.0
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why, because we only hold others accountable ? 34 men executed in the US this year, we going to protest and fuss about 2026 too ? not sure its been mentioned once in the USA world cup thread.fenaddick said:
Well sure but apart from the already brought up issue of selling arms to SA it’s still irrelevant in this instanceshine166 said:
Past ? We are shipping weapons and have people all over the world right now.fenaddick said:
Criticising one regime doesn’t mean you endorse another, the British colonial past has nothing to do with the 2034 WCshine166 said:Love all the anti KSA chat, while we as a nation are and have been involved in all sorts that's lead to the deaths millions of others over the years.0 -
It should be, I haven’t read that one so can’t comment if it has or not. There are lots of issues in the USA and they should be highlighted. It just has no relevance to the 2034 WC.shine166 said:
why, because we only hold others accountable ? 34 men executed in the US this year, we going to protest and fuss about 2026 too ? not sure its been mentioned once in the USA world cup thread.fenaddick said:
Well sure but apart from the already brought up issue of selling arms to SA it’s still irrelevant in this instanceshine166 said:
Past ? We are shipping weapons and have people all over the world right now.fenaddick said:
Criticising one regime doesn’t mean you endorse another, the British colonial past has nothing to do with the 2034 WCshine166 said:Love all the anti KSA chat, while we as a nation are and have been involved in all sorts that's lead to the deaths millions of others over the years.0 -
I thought Qatar was a success both on and off the pitch, it was great to see fans of all countries mixing in the bars, restaurants and fan zones and they were all mixing in the grounds as well, segregation seemed non existent
If players in these countries keeps away all the hooligans and knob heads let’s keep it out there1 -
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I wouldn't personally go to Saudi Arabia, no way. Not even if i had a personal invite from Mohammed bin Salman.cafctom said:PopIcon said:
Fill your boots, enjoy supporting a regime that executes homosexuals, allows men to shag kids and that regularly holds public executions in chop-chop square.cafctom said:Qatar was the most exciting tournament in a long time, and from a match going experience was absolutely brilliant. Found it to be more enjoyable than Germany personally, although both were great.I was actually at the Saudi Arabia v Argentina match, which had the best noise and atmosphere of any of the games I saw. Their team is regularly at the World Cup, so the regurgitated suggestion that it’s “not a proper football country” is wide of the mark IMO.I plan to be at every tournament for the foreseeable and will happily go to Saudi and judge the experience for myself rather than what we’re told by those sitting at home 👍
If you're lucky, maybe you can catch public execution while you're there 🙏🏻If someone is deemed “in support” of all those things for going to watch football on an a one off trip, then that’s your view.An extreme one, but I guess that’s the way the world is now when someone has a keyboard in front of them.
Any visitors have zero integrity in my opinion. Folk cherry picking the best bits and turning a blind eye to the abhorrent behaviour committed by Saudi authorities. It's not an extreme opinion, these are facts.
Anyone making a comparison to colonialism is talking shite, shall we stop visiting Germany because of the Nazi party?
I'd love the big UEFA and CONMEBOL teams to boycott FIFA. They need us more then we need them. If you want to grow football, do it organically, don't just give the tournaments it to filthy rich companies with zero virtues.2 -
Qatar managed to clean up the blood and bodies just in time for the stadiums and fan zones to look beautiful and westernised to a gullible crowd.
I'm sure Saudi will do the same.4 -
Lived there for 2 years from 91 to 93. I believe it has moved on significantly since then and is less medieval albeit still atrocious compared to the freedoms we take for granted. Seems (from the outside) to be moving in the right direction albeit the sports washing and selling out we're complicit in is nauseating.CafcWest said:Qatar is quite a different environment from Saudi. Much more western influence. It's been a long time (mid 90's) since I was last in Riyadh (Saudi Aramco business trip) but it wasn't a particularly comfortable environment and zero alcohol tolerated (suspect that is still the case) - so those wanting a few social occasions will find it very dry. That's in addition to the fact that the Saudi intolerance to LGBTQ and human rights should have been a no-no from the outset. Money talks and seems, sadly, to override everything.
Still, being pragmatic it's progress in the right direction. It surprised me to learn that democracies are very much in the minority in the world and makes me very relieved to live where we do.2 -
China has people including children literally in concentration camps based on Muslim ethnicity and has very questionable human rights.
But everyone still consumes Chinese products by the bucket load in the West and never seems to get raised.
Most of the world is ugly in this respect.
Hopefully change and progress can be made.
Hopefully the FA will also have the minerals to roll out the rainbow flags and laces they insist on patronising English fans with each season because if they don't when it is genuinely needed and warranted then it is nothing more than vapid corporate lip service doing it in Birmingham and London if you're not gonna do it in Saudi etc where it would genuinely be standing with persecuted homosexual people.
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Although you're right to mention the Uyghurs, there is a world of difference between buying Chinese manufactured products (nearly everything) and attending the world cup in Saudi Arabia. Although no country is whiter than white, few are as blatant as the Saudis.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:China has people including children literally in concentration camps based on Muslim ethnicity and has very questionable human rights.
But everyone still consumes Chinese products by the bucket load in the West and never seems to get raised.
Most of the world is ugly in this respect.
Hopefully change and progress can be made.
Hopefully the FA will also have the minerals to roll out the rainbow flags and laces they insist on patronising English fans with each season because if they don't when it is genuinely needed and warranted then it is nothing more than vapid corporate lip service doing it in Birmingham and London if you're not gonna do it in Saudi etc where it would genuinely be standing with persecuted homosexual people.0 -
Even if you choose to ignore Saudi's human right violations they have a very poor record on health and safety with large crowd events
There are frequent injuries and deaths in Mecca with pilgrims making the Hajj
If they can't get that right after centuries what hope for an one off world cup?
1300 are believed to have died this year alone
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Henry Irving said:Even if you choose to ignore Saudi's human right violations they have a very poor record on health and safety with large crowd events
There are frequent injuries and deaths in Mecca with pilgrims making the Hajj
If they can't get that right after centuries what hope for an one off world cup?
1300 are believed to have died this year alone
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_during_the_Hajj
All for a game of bingo ffs.14 -
Been f***** for 20 years.The Red Robin said:Football officially broken0 -
You'll be asleep.Arsenetatters said:
I’ll be watching it from a nursing home by then if I’m lucky !Friend Or Defoe said:Hilarious but people will lap it up rather than take a stand so expect the UAE to host one in the 2040s.
The Euros in Germany were so much better than the Qatar world cup.0 -
Me bad…sorry,but that tickled me…😂😂RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Henry Irving said:Even if you choose to ignore Saudi's human right violations they have a very poor record on health and safety with large crowd events
There are frequent injuries and deaths in Mecca with pilgrims making the Hajj
If they can't get that right after centuries what hope for an one off world cup?
1300 are believed to have died this year alone
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_during_the_Hajj
All for a game of bingo ffs.1 -
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I don’t mean to preach to you about it. It would be hypocritical of me to do so seeing that I myself visited the UAE back in 2001. I was however naive before I went there but not so much by the time I had got back.ValleyGary said:
You seem very passionate about this. Tell us what you’ll be doing about it…jimmymelrose said:
But you went during the glitzy World Cup when they had to be decent to everyone.cafctom said:
I’ll be going as a football fan with an open mind. Served me well in Qatar, as it did however many other hundreds of thousands of people who did the same.jimmymelrose said:
Will you be judging what it's like to be tortured? Let us know how that goescafctom said:I plan to be at every tournament for the foreseeable and will happily go to Saudi and judge the experience for myself rather than what we’re told by those sitting at home 👍
Nice try though.
Do you have an open mind or rose tinted spectacles?
You suggested that you will judge for yourself but how is that possible? You can not judge by the welcoming smiles that you receive at the airport, by hotel room service, comfortable transport or technologically advanced stadia.
You have to see beyond that and yes, some of that is by ’what you are told at home’ by organisations like Amnesty International.
In the end it’s your choice to go but you should do so in full knowledge of how your experience there has been realised. If you’ve done that then I don’t judge and I’ve nothing more to say.5 -
When did I say anything about judging for myself? I think you’ve mixed up posters. I’m not going, although I did go to Qatar on business before the WC22.jimmymelrose said:
I don’t mean to preach to you about it. It would be hypocritical of me to do so seeing that I myself visited the UAE back in 2001. I was however naive before I went there but not so much by the time I had got back.ValleyGary said:
You seem very passionate about this. Tell us what you’ll be doing about it…jimmymelrose said:
But you went during the glitzy World Cup when they had to be decent to everyone.cafctom said:
I’ll be going as a football fan with an open mind. Served me well in Qatar, as it did however many other hundreds of thousands of people who did the same.jimmymelrose said:
Will you be judging what it's like to be tortured? Let us know how that goescafctom said:I plan to be at every tournament for the foreseeable and will happily go to Saudi and judge the experience for myself rather than what we’re told by those sitting at home 👍
Nice try though.
Do you have an open mind or rose tinted spectacles?
You suggested that you will judge for yourself but how is that possible? You can not judge by the welcoming smiles that you receive at the airport, by hotel room service, comfortable transport or technologically advanced stadia.
You have to see beyond that and yes, some of that is by ’what you are told at home’ by organisations like Amnesty International.
In the end it’s your choice to go but you should do so in full knowledge of how your experience there has been realised. If you’ve done that then I don’t judge and I’ve nothing more to say.
I asked what you’re gonna do about it because I’d imagine it’s as much as me….fuck all.1 -
Not going is the best thing the average person can do.0
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I won't judge anyone who wants to go to Saudi Arabia to see the World Cup. Football fans watch football, it's what they do. I don't think they should be denied that pleasure because of someone else's voice of venue. I think it's unfair criticising individuals for decisions based on morality, when it is the organisers that have demonstrated their complete lack of morals.
I most definitely do judge the officials of FIFA who made this decision in another cynical money grabbing move. They got it wrong with Russia, they got it wrong with Qatar and they've got it wrong again with Saudi Arabia. They ought to decide the venue on the basis sound criteria, mine would be something like this:- The ability to run a good, safe, tournament that does not conflict with long standing traditions of the game (for example, it should always be a summer tournament).
- To help develop the game in places where there are large populations of people who are genuinely interested in the sport but who have historically struggled with funding or infrastructure.
- To reward those countries that have a long tradition of the game.
- To minimise unnecessary tournament/travel related pollution.
- To promote societal improvements in countries that are willing to make positive changes.
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Bit odd they are starting in South America and then in Europe. Why couldn't they just have Uruguay, Argentina & Paraguay host it?!Callumcafc said:2030: Spain, Portugal, Morocco & one match each in Uruguay, Argentina & Paraguay.
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Good question. I've just started this. Please sign:ValleyGary said:
You seem very passionate about this. Tell us what you’ll be doing about it…jimmymelrose said:
But you went during the glitzy World Cup when they had to be decent to everyone.cafctom said:
I’ll be going as a football fan with an open mind. Served me well in Qatar, as it did however many other hundreds of thousands of people who did the same.jimmymelrose said:
Will you be judging what it's like to be tortured? Let us know how that goescafctom said:I plan to be at every tournament for the foreseeable and will happily go to Saudi and judge the experience for myself rather than what we’re told by those sitting at home 👍
Nice try though.
Do you have an open mind or rose tinted spectacles?
https://www.change.org/p/demand-all-football-clubs-to-refuse-permission-to-their-players-to-play-in-2034-world-cup0 -
Are the clubs able to refuse their players to play for their national side in a major competition?jimmymelrose said:
Good question. I've just started this. Please sign:ValleyGary said:
You seem very passionate about this. Tell us what you’ll be doing about it…jimmymelrose said:
But you went during the glitzy World Cup when they had to be decent to everyone.cafctom said:
I’ll be going as a football fan with an open mind. Served me well in Qatar, as it did however many other hundreds of thousands of people who did the same.jimmymelrose said:
Will you be judging what it's like to be tortured? Let us know how that goescafctom said:I plan to be at every tournament for the foreseeable and will happily go to Saudi and judge the experience for myself rather than what we’re told by those sitting at home 👍
Nice try though.
Do you have an open mind or rose tinted spectacles?
https://www.change.org/p/demand-all-football-clubs-to-refuse-permission-to-their-players-to-play-in-2034-world-cup0 -
Russia, Saudi, USA and Qatar. Lots of money with dodgy politicians a perfect match for FIFA.2
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I hope all those who are so against Saudi Arabia hosting it, will also not watch any matches, don't comment on any matches and do not celebrate when we bring it home as that would be very hypocritical8
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You've pretty much hit the nail on the head here.cabbles said:If we politicized our lifestyle choices, we’d all be sat at home, consuming and doing nothing. It’s inescapable in this day an age. If the same lot that had bought Newcastle decided they wanted to waste their money on Charlton, it wouldn’t stop me going
I am not dismissing their human rights record, nor their zero tolerance policy for homosexuality, but as much as this is a power play and sports washing on their behalf, the WC is for the thousands of fans that just want to go and watch football.
One thing that I found a tad irritating re; Qatar, was the likes of Alex Scott being very vocal against their approach to homosexuality, but still reporting and working out there. If you’re going to go down that route (which is absolutely justified), then don’t undermine yourself when it comes to being paid. I do feel that it’s quite hypocritical to criticize but also take the money
As I'm getting older, I realise I can't avoid being a hypocrite and doing the world harm etc just by living and enjoying myself.
Even down to the small things. Two of my favourite artists are Bowie and Elvis, growing up listening to them, you don't think about their character too much, then you hear their stories on documentaries etc, and think, well these blokes didn't sound great.
Do you stop listening? Protest by switching artists? Do you not enjoy their work anymore because of some shady decisions?
I know it's a bit off subject from the thread, but it's really difficult to navigate life without supporting something you may be against. I think in this instance, life is tough, and money talks.
Fen has a good point about representation there. If someone is going to go to these countries with questionable ethics, they should at least challenge them, I've got a lot of time for that. At least they're trying to do something and represent.
I also don't think anyone should be discouraged from going as the people who are, can make little impact regardless.
Basically, we're all dead in a hundred years anyway, fuck it.6
