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Police investigate ball boy incident

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  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    soapy_jones said:
    Hard to tell from the clip of course, but why oh why did the goalie not stick the boot in as well?

    Because the keeper wasn't Joey Barton.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,617
    edited March 26
    https://x.com/mailsport/status/1904563361653588400?s=46&t=l3gVPecVjs4wU2WBKFZZyw

  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    When Kwadwo Baah (now Watford) was in the academy at Palace he was a ball boy and they were at home to West Ham. The Hammers were in the lead and shithousery by the keeper was occurring so young Baah decided to run on the pitch and place the ball so the keeper could take the goal kick. 

    Maybe the young Irish ball boy should've done the same as Kwadwo 😀 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,261
    On that different angle it looks like the kid trips over the bottles as the keeper goes to push him away
  • southamptonaddick
    southamptonaddick Posts: 4,054
    sam3110 said:
    On that different angle it looks like the kid trips over the bottles as the keeper goes to push him away
    Sorry, there is no angle that shows anything other than the goalkeeper pushing the ball boy over  
  • SOTF
    SOTF Posts: 1,149
    edited March 26
    Regardless of circumstance leading to the incident, I think we can all agree that pushing someone over half your size and age whilst they’re facing away from you is an act of cowardice.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,000
    SOTF said:
    Regardless of circumstance leading to the incident, I think we can all agree that pushing someone over half your size and age whilst they’re facing away from you is an act of cowardice.
    Exactly. Even if you do think that the ball boy provoked the keeper somehow (which I don't), the onus is on the professional football player to be a professional and not a bully.
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,974
    Chizz said:
    Arsenetatters said:
    Off_it said:
    Anyone who thinks that's "assault" needs their head testing.
    It is technically, but as a ball boy you should just hold the ball out for the keeper to take rather than try and hurry the bloke along.
    No doubt the goalie will be done for assault and never play again. This is a mad world.
    What would be the right way to deal with a professional footballer pushing a child over?
    I think a ban is in order. Not sure how long for. Hope he isn’t done for assault tbh. Was Di Canio done for assault when he pushed the ref over? I do get that it’s a kid but it’s not like he’s done a Cantona on him. The kid was being a bit of an arse. 
    The goalie will get chants and abuse at grounds now. That’s probably the worst punishment.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    guinnessaddick said:
    https://x.com/mailsport/status/1904563361653588400?s=46&t=l3gVPecVjs4wU2WBKFZZyw

    Watch this , the kid clearly trips over the peg or whatever it is in the ground from the net .
    The kid pushes the ball in to the keeper from the side on angle and the keeper shoves him at the same time he trips over the above mentioned peg .
    keeper is guilty of a push not of pushing him over , the peg is guilty of that .
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,845
    oohaahmortimer said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    https://x.com/mailsport/status/1904563361653588400?s=46&t=l3gVPecVjs4wU2WBKFZZyw

    Watch this , the kid clearly trips over the peg or whatever it is in the ground from the net .
    The kid pushes the ball in to the keeper from the side on angle and the keeper shoves him at the same time he trips over the above mentioned peg .
    keeper is guilty of a push not of pushing him over , the peg is guilty of that .
    Far too sensible a view. 

    The keeper is clearly guilty of GBH on a minor and so deserves to be hung drawn and quartered.
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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    The following questions need to be answered in order to determine whether an assault investigation is - or would be - appropriate.  
    1. Was there Unlawful Use of Force? – Assault generally involves the intentional or reckless application of force without lawful justification. If the footballer intentionally pushed the ballboy, it could constitute assault.
    2. Did it cause Injury or Distress? – If the ballboy suffered physical injury (even minor) or significant distress due to the push, it strengthens the case for an assault investigation.
    3. Is it established that there was a Lack of Consent? – Since a ballboy is not a player and not part of the physical contest of the game, any physical contact by a player would likely be considered non-consensual.
    4. Did the action demonstrate or include Intent or Recklessness? – If the push was intentional or reckless (not merely incidental or accidental), it may meet the threshold for assault.
    5. Are there Aggravating Factors? – The fact that the ballboy is likely a minor could make the case more serious, potentially leading to charges such as assault on a minor or child endangerment.
    6. Has there been a Complaint from the Victim or Witnesses? – While police can investigate independently, a complaint from the ballboy, their guardians, match officials, or the club could trigger a formal investigation.
    7. Would an investigation into an alleged assault serve Public Interest?  What is the Severity of the action? – If the incident is particularly violent, widely publicised, or has significant repercussions (e.g., the ballboy is injured), law enforcement may be more likely to intervene. 
    It seems that there is a very definite "yes" against numbers 1, 3, 5 and 7 (thanks to its wide publicity). 2 and 6 are unknown. 4 is probably a no.  On that basis, it would seem that it's absolutely appropriate to investigate assault, even if that investigation does not lead to a charge. 
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,889
    The real question is do we need the police to be involved at all ? It’s a waste of resource. 

    A simple adult review and reflection on all sides yes but the police no. 
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,477
    edited March 26
    It doesn’t appear that the keeper pushed or touched the kid with any great force…..I think they either fell over something or took a dive.🫢
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,670
    SoundAsa£ said:
    It doesn’t appear that the keeper pushed or touched the kid with any great force…..I think they either fell over something or took a dive.🫢
    Where's Var when you need it.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    southamptonaddick said:
    sam3110 said:
    On that different angle it looks like the kid trips over the bottles as the keeper goes to push him away
    Sorry, there is no angle that shows anything other than the goalkeeper pushing the ball boy over  
    Watch his feet. I’m not saying the goalkeeper is blame free and didn’t make contact but the kid also trips up over something 
  • red10
    red10 Posts: 833
    So the keeper needs to man up ask the club to get in touch with the kids parents so a formal apology can be made with an appropriate gift. Job done. Old bill have much bigger things to get involved with. @Chizz you seem to know your stuff, so when I lay out my very annoying neighbour would you kindly represent me?
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    red10 said:
    So the keeper needs to man up ask the club to get in touch with the kids parents so a formal apology can be made with an appropriate gift. Job done. Old bill have much bigger things to get involved with. @Chizz you seem to know your stuff, so when I lay out my very annoying neighbour would you kindly represent me?
    You might be better to ask for representation from someone you haven't already told, publicly, that you're going to lay someone out! The best legal advice anyone can ever be given is... 

    DON'T BREAK THE LAW! 
  • red10
    red10 Posts: 833
    Sorry should have added a smiley face :)

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