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Lunchtime kick off - player logistics

valleynick66valleynick66
in General Charlton

Whilst lunchtime kick offs are rarely good for paying fans do they (apart from the obvious home advantage of a familiar stadium / home fans etc) actually favour the away team logistically?


If we assume the away team has travelled the afternoon before then they are at a hotel the evening before and presumably in the morning it’s a case of breakfast at a more normal time followed by a team meeting (maybe) and then all on a coach to the ground and before any opportunity for boredom and or distractions. 


Whereas the home team are more consciously working to a different routine in their own households ie maybe having breakfast at a different time and certainly making their own way to the ground at a different time. 


Anything in it or equally inconvenient?


Comments

  • fenaddickfenaddick
    Either way you're forcing down chicken and pasta for breakfast and your routine is thrown off. Not sure it's more of an advantage/disadvantage than a 3pm kick off
  • valleynick66valleynick66
    fenaddick said:
    Either way you're forcing down chicken and pasta for breakfast and your routine is thrown off. Not sure it's more of an advantage/disadvantage than a 3pm kick off
     Not more than 3pm. More for the away team than the home team. 
  • fenaddickfenaddick
    valleynick66 said:
    fenaddick said:
    Either way you're forcing down chicken and pasta for breakfast and your routine is thrown off. Not sure it's more of an advantage/disadvantage than a 3pm kick off
     Not more than 3pm. More for the away team than the home team. 
    I know, I was saying the home team always have an advantage due to being at home. It being at 12:30 or 3pm doesn't make a difference to that advantage
  • valleynick66valleynick66
     But the change in routine potentially easier to accommodate as the away team was my thought. 
  • fenaddickfenaddick
    valleynick66 said:
     But the change in routine potentially easier to accommodate as the away team was my thought. 
    I guess you have 2 hours less in a hotel but that most likely just means you have to wake up earlier. There's still quite a lot of sitting around in the away dressing room etc.
  • altrinchamaddickaltrinchamaddick
    My opinion, having watched several 12.30 KO's is that there always appears to be a certain lethargy about the play of both teams. For some reason, being a change in routine, body clocks, whatever, there doesn't seem to be the same intensity as a 15.00 KO. This is also mirrored by the croud as well, being more subdued, probably because they haven't been down the pub for a couple of hours!
  • seth plumseth plum
    On Saturday kick the right way and sing for Sebbo on five minutes.

  • FumbluffFumbluff
    altrinchamaddick said:
    My opinion, having watched several 12.30 KO's is that there always appears to be a certain lethargy about the play of both teams. For some reason, being a change in routine, body clocks, whatever, there doesn't seem to be the same intensity as a 15.00 KO. This is also mirrored by the croud as well, being more subdued, probably because they haven't been down the pub for a couple of hours!
    Most of the players will be displaying their natural anxiety that they’ve not had enough time to complete their after breakfast/mid-morning poo….
  • bobmunrobobmunro
    valleynick66 said:
     But the change in routine potentially easier to accommodate as the away team was my thought. 

    But isn't there is a change of routine for every away team that has to travel a distance - either meaning early start or overnight accommodation? For a 12.30 KO they will almost certainly be staying close the night before so up at the same time, presumably the hotel will provide the appropriate breakfast approved by the club nutritionist, and then a short trip to The Valley - so not dissimilar to the home players' routine, which will mean the same advantages or disadvantages for both sides, irrespective of KO time.
  • cabblescabbles
    As a fan I think they’re horrible.  I think we’ve had some really crap ones over the years.  The 1-0 defeat to Millwall springs to mind.  Can’t remember what season, but they had Lomas in charge and their goal was a deflected shot.  They didn’t even play that well, it was the sort of game that they just got that lucky break and of course, given our record we couldn’t even get an equalizer 

    you’ve then got that extra bit of Saturday afternoon to sit with a defeat 

    I also think we lost to Sheff Wed 3-1 in the Championship under Bowyer, can’t remember if that was an early kick off 

    Swindon away under Slade 3-0, awful performance 

    these all coincide with the start of autumn or thereabouts from memory- weather getting worse, just depression from 3pm taking in the other scores, knowing the weekend is ruined 
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  • guinnessaddickguinnessaddick
    cabbles said:
    As a fan I think they’re horrible.  I think we’ve had some really crap ones over the years.  The 1-0 defeat to Millwall springs to mind.  Can’t remember what season, but they had Lomas in charge and their goal was a deflected shot.  They didn’t even play that well, it was the sort of game that they just got that lucky break and of course, given our record we couldn’t even get an equalizer 

    you’ve then got that extra bit of Saturday afternoon to sit with a defeat 

    I also think we lost to Sheff Wed 3-1 in the Championship under Bowyer, can’t remember if that was an early kick off 

    Swindon away under Slade 3-0, awful performance 

    these all coincide with the start of autumn or thereabouts from memory- weather getting worse, just depression from 3pm taking in the other scores, knowing the weekend is ruined 
    Sheff Utd away in the Cup 1/4 final.
  • ElthamaddickElthamaddick
    I don't know anyone that likes them

    but, everyone likes watching a game in the pub before their 3pm KO - so someone has to play then
  • bobmunrobobmunro
    guinnessaddick said:
    cabbles said:
    As a fan I think they’re horrible.  I think we’ve had some really crap ones over the years.  The 1-0 defeat to Millwall springs to mind.  Can’t remember what season, but they had Lomas in charge and their goal was a deflected shot.  They didn’t even play that well, it was the sort of game that they just got that lucky break and of course, given our record we couldn’t even get an equalizer 

    you’ve then got that extra bit of Saturday afternoon to sit with a defeat 

    I also think we lost to Sheff Wed 3-1 in the Championship under Bowyer, can’t remember if that was an early kick off 

    Swindon away under Slade 3-0, awful performance 

    these all coincide with the start of autumn or thereabouts from memory- weather getting worse, just depression from 3pm taking in the other scores, knowing the weekend is ruined 
    Sheff Utd away in the Cup 1/4 final.

    Horrible day. My eldest and I had driven down from Edinburgh that morning leaving at silly o'clock (at Murrayfield on the Saturday for Sco v Fra). The drive home from Sheffield after the game seemed to take forever!

  • shine166shine166
    Elthamaddick said:
    I don't know anyone that likes them

    but, everyone likes watching a game in the pub before their 3pm KO - so someone has to play then

    and someone has to ruin the accumulators before 3pm !
  • killerandflashkillerandflash
    12:30 games definitely affect away supporters more than home supporters if they've had to travel a long distance. There was definitely a lack of energy in the away end at Stockport for example, due to the early start for most supporters to get there.
  • valleynick66valleynick66
    bobmunro said:
    valleynick66 said:
     But the change in routine potentially easier to accommodate as the away team was my thought. 

    But isn't there is a change of routine for every away team that has to travel a distance - either meaning early start or overnight accommodation? For a 12.30 KO they will almost certainly be staying close the night before so up at the same time, presumably the hotel will provide the appropriate breakfast approved by the club nutritionist, and then a short trip to The Valley - so not dissimilar to the home players' routine, which will mean the same advantages or disadvantages for both sides, irrespective of KO time.
    Yes.  But one they are more familiar with. 
  • valleynick66valleynick66
    killerandflash said:
    12:30 games definitely affect away supporters more than home supporters if they've had to travel a long distance. There was definitely a lack of energy in the away end at Stockport for example, due to the early start for most supporters to get there.
    Yes and as I said the question was on player impact and not supporters. 
  • killerandflashkillerandflash
    valleynick66 said:
    killerandflash said:
    12:30 games definitely affect away supporters more than home supporters if they've had to travel a long distance. There was definitely a lack of energy in the away end at Stockport for example, due to the early start for most supporters to get there.
    Yes and as I said the question was on player impact and not supporters. 
    That might have an impact on the players though. A big difference in the support between 1000 really up for it supporters, and 1000 slightly knackered ones!

  • valleynick66valleynick66
    killerandflash said:
    valleynick66 said:
    killerandflash said:
    12:30 games definitely affect away supporters more than home supporters if they've had to travel a long distance. There was definitely a lack of energy in the away end at Stockport for example, due to the early start for most supporters to get there.
    Yes and as I said the question was on player impact and not supporters. 
    That might have an impact on the players though. A big difference in the support between 1000 really up for it supporters, and 1000 slightly knackered ones!

    And also as I highlighted in the post! 

    I’m just asking about logistics!
  • IdleHansIdleHans
    edited March 26
    fenaddick said:
    Either way you're forcing down chicken and pasta for breakfast and your routine is thrown off. Not sure it's more of an advantage/disadvantage than a 3pm kick off
    Surely you're having microwaved sweet and sour chicken with egg fried rice left over from Fridays Chinese takeaway, like all right thinking people do.
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  • StigStig
    valleynick66 said:

    Whilst lunchtime kick offs are rarely good for paying fans do they (apart from the obvious home advantage of a familiar stadium / home fans etc) actually favour the away team logistically?


    If we assume the away team has travelled the afternoon before then they are at a hotel the evening before and presumably in the morning it’s a case of breakfast at a more normal time followed by a team meeting (maybe) and then all on a coach to the ground and before any opportunity for boredom and or distractions. 


    Whereas the home team are more consciously working to a different routine in their own households ie maybe having breakfast at a different time and certainly making their own way to the ground at a different time. 


    Anything in it or equally inconvenient?


    Have you got any evidence, like a difference in results showing that away teams fare any better? All I'm seeing is a load of assumptions. Unless I see some hard evidence, I'll stick with the assumptions I've always made. I don't like having my routine messed about with and I don't suppose anyone else does. Away teams are more disrupted than home teams. QED, there is no advantage to away teams.
  • valleynick66valleynick66
    Stig said:
    valleynick66 said:

    Whilst lunchtime kick offs are rarely good for paying fans do they (apart from the obvious home advantage of a familiar stadium / home fans etc) actually favour the away team logistically?


    If we assume the away team has travelled the afternoon before then they are at a hotel the evening before and presumably in the morning it’s a case of breakfast at a more normal time followed by a team meeting (maybe) and then all on a coach to the ground and before any opportunity for boredom and or distractions. 


    Whereas the home team are more consciously working to a different routine in their own households ie maybe having breakfast at a different time and certainly making their own way to the ground at a different time. 


    Anything in it or equally inconvenient?


    Have you got any evidence, like a difference in results showing that away teams fare any better? All I'm seeing is a load of assumptions. Unless I see some hard evidence, I'll stick with the assumptions I've always made. I don't like having my routine messed about with and I don't suppose anyone else does. Away teams are more disrupted than home teams. QED, there is no advantage to away teams.
    None. It was a question. 
  • ElthamaddickElthamaddick
    shine166 said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    I don't know anyone that likes them

    but, everyone likes watching a game in the pub before their 3pm KO - so someone has to play then

    and someone has to ruin the accumulators before 3pm !
    never ever put the early game in my acca for that reason
  • bolloxbolderbolloxbolder
    I don't think we've lost a 12.30 ko this season
  • ValleyGaryValleyGary
    Can’t stand early kick off 
  • SDAddickSDAddick
    altrinchamaddick said:
    My opinion, having watched several 12.30 KO's is that there always appears to be a certain lethargy about the play of both teams. For some reason, being a change in routine, body clocks, whatever, there doesn't seem to be the same intensity as a 15.00 KO. This is also mirrored by the croud as well, being more subdued, probably because they haven't been down the pub for a couple of hours!
    Or in the case of the last game I went to in person, they'd been down the pub the night before and hadn't had a chance to sleep it off
  • CafcWestCafcWest
    Don't like the early start but quite like the early finish...
  • StigStig
    valleynick66 said:
    Stig said:
    valleynick66 said:

    Whilst lunchtime kick offs are rarely good for paying fans do they (apart from the obvious home advantage of a familiar stadium / home fans etc) actually favour the away team logistically?


    If we assume the away team has travelled the afternoon before then they are at a hotel the evening before and presumably in the morning it’s a case of breakfast at a more normal time followed by a team meeting (maybe) and then all on a coach to the ground and before any opportunity for boredom and or distractions. 


    Whereas the home team are more consciously working to a different routine in their own households ie maybe having breakfast at a different time and certainly making their own way to the ground at a different time. 


    Anything in it or equally inconvenient?


    Have you got any evidence, like a difference in results showing that away teams fare any better? All I'm seeing is a load of assumptions. Unless I see some hard evidence, I'll stick with the assumptions I've always made. I don't like having my routine messed about with and I don't suppose anyone else does. Away teams are more disrupted than home teams. QED, there is no advantage to away teams.
    None. It was a question. 
    Fair dos.
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