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Dog licences
Chizz
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More than 20,000 dog attacks were reported to police across England and Wales in the 12 months since the introduction of the XL Bully ban.
All dog owners should be licensed. All dogs should be chipped. If a dog attacks someone, it's chip can reveal its ownership details; so, if a dog is found without a chip, it should either be chipped and made available to licensed owners through dog re-homing organisations, or destroyed.
The licensing requirement would require a small change to the law. But it makes sense.
Doesn't it?
All dog owners should be licensed. All dogs should be chipped. If a dog attacks someone, it's chip can reveal its ownership details; so, if a dog is found without a chip, it should either be chipped and made available to licensed owners through dog re-homing organisations, or destroyed.
The licensing requirement would require a small change to the law. But it makes sense.
Doesn't it?
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irresponsible owners wont bother, and caring owners will already have their dogs chipped. If people buy XLBullies they probably will fit in the first category. They will not voluntarily change their behaviours unfortunately.Chizz said:More than 20,000 dog attacks were reported to police across England and Wales in the 12 months since the introduction of the XL Bully ban.
All dog owners should be licensed. All dogs should be chipped. If a dog attacks someone, it's chip can reveal its ownership details; so, if a dog is found without a chip, it should either be chipped and made available to licensed owners through dog re-homing organisations, or destroyed.
The licensing requirement would require a small change to the law. But it makes sense.
Doesn't it?
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Who is going to police it. All dogs under the law as it stands must be micro-chipped, and any change of ownership must be recorded with a the data company it was registered with. Vets are not obliged to check micro- chips when treating a dog as they say they are not the police. It is against the law to drive a car without insuance, tax and MOT, even that is not policed with over 2millon cars are reported to being driven without insurance, as the fines etc are cheaper than the cost of insurance.2
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Just because something is difficult to police doesn't necessarily mean that it shouldn't be legislated against.Dansk_Red said:Who is going to police it. All dogs under the law as it stands must be micro-chipped, and any change of ownership must be recorded with a the data company it was registered with. Vets are not obliged to check micro- chips when treating a dog as they say they are not the police. It is against the law to drive a car without insuance, tax and MOT, even that is not policed with over 2millon cars are reported to being driven without insurance, as the fines etc are cheaper than the cost of insurance.7 -
All dogs must be chipped by law. The chip has the owner's details on it. So really that is effectively a dog license. Of course those that don't bother getting a chip wouldn't bother getting a license.charente addick said:
Just because something is difficult to police doesn't necessarily mean that it shouldn't be legislated against.Dansk_Red said:Who is going to police it. All dogs under the law as it stands must be micro-chipped, and any change of ownership must be recorded with a the data company it was registered with. Vets are not obliged to check micro- chips when treating a dog as they say they are not the police. It is against the law to drive a car without insuance, tax and MOT, even that is not policed with over 2millon cars are reported to being driven without insurance, as the fines etc are cheaper than the cost of insurance.6 -
Police dogs I assume 😉😆Dansk_Red said:Who is going to police it. All dogs under the law as it stands must be micro-chipped, and any change of ownership must be recorded with a the data company it was registered with. Vets are not obliged to check micro- chips when treating a dog as they say they are not the police. It is against the law to drive a car without insuance, tax and MOT, even that is not policed with over 2millon cars are reported to being driven without insurance, as the fines etc are cheaper than the cost of insurance.12 -
It'll be sold as a scheme to protect people from dangerous dogs but in reality it'll just be a bullshit cash cow for some random foreign pension fund.5
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That’s all very well…..but does this chip somehow or another magically prevent dangerous dogs from attacking people? 🧐MuttleyCAFC said:
All dogs must be chipped by law. The chip has the owner's details on it. So really that is effectively a dog license. Of course those that don't bother getting a chip wouldn't bother getting a license.charente addick said:
Just because something is difficult to police doesn't necessarily mean that it shouldn't be legislated against.Dansk_Red said:Who is going to police it. All dogs under the law as it stands must be micro-chipped, and any change of ownership must be recorded with a the data company it was registered with. Vets are not obliged to check micro- chips when treating a dog as they say they are not the police. It is against the law to drive a car without insuance, tax and MOT, even that is not policed with over 2millon cars are reported to being driven without insurance, as the fines etc are cheaper than the cost of insurance.0 -
No but neither does a license. What protects people is to stop irresponsible owners having dogs. The chip has the potential to help with this.SoundAsa£ said:
That’s all very well…..but does this chip magically prevent dangerous dogs from attacking people? 🧐MuttleyCAFC said:
All dogs must be chipped by law. The chip has the owner's details on it. So really that is effectively a dog license. Of course those that don't bother getting a chip wouldn't bother getting a license.charente addick said:
Just because something is difficult to police doesn't necessarily mean that it shouldn't be legislated against.Dansk_Red said:Who is going to police it. All dogs under the law as it stands must be micro-chipped, and any change of ownership must be recorded with a the data company it was registered with. Vets are not obliged to check micro- chips when treating a dog as they say they are not the police. It is against the law to drive a car without insuance, tax and MOT, even that is not policed with over 2millon cars are reported to being driven without insurance, as the fines etc are cheaper than the cost of insurance.5 -
IMHO…There are certain breeds that should simply be banned completely, no ifs or buts.
All existing dangerous dog breeds should be neutered (male) or spayed (female)…..ASAP.
There are thought to be between 50 and 100 thousand pit bulls alone in The UK…..many of which are completely under the radar and that’s without three or four other breeds that are on the list.
Just why anyone would want to own one is inexplicable to me and most people, there are so many other wonderful breeds one can choose from that are both lovable and loyal and capable of natural protection…..who wants a potentially ferocious dog around the place, how very very odd.🤨
My adorable English Bull Terrier Zuben would certainly go for anyone who would enter our home during the night, it’s a natural instinct, but at all other times and under any other circumstance he was gentle and lovable as a lamb.
The laws an ass.5 -
Yeah, I've been a dog owner all my adult life and have nothing against obligatory licencing.
Over time, reckon it might help cut down on the amount of unwanted dogs, and possibly the theft of dogs n all?2 - Sponsored links:
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2 and 6 isnt it ?2
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Give HMG any excuse to defray costs, such as those being picked up by the police for having to kennel dangerous and restricted breeds, then the rest of us 'punters' will, surprise surprise pick up the bill, via licenses/permits/etc. Quite simply fine the owners , say £1,000 for a minor ;incident, and £5,000 for more serious breaches, Down here you can pick up a fine for not having your dog in the park on a lead, and in certain parts of the town. I do not want dog mess on football pitches, on paths, and on the seafront, but at the same time the lack of bins can mean sometimes walking quite a distance to deposit the stuff.
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I want to know if, should I own a Collie or a Dalmatian, the Black & White licence would be cheaper...10
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Yes. And if your dog is nearly 11 and on pension credit, it’s even free! 🐕🦺😉NornIrishAddick said:I want to know if, should I own a Collie or a Dalmatian, the Black & White licence would be cheaper...2 -
We picked up my daughters cavapooh puppy from a breeder on Friday. The breeder chipped the puppy and registered it. My daughter then had to register it to herself and pay a one off fee.
Like anything when you Google the registration service a number of alleged chip registration services come up that try and get you to pay an annual fee.1 -
Facial recognition innit?Dansk_Red said:Who is going to police it. All dogs under the law as it stands must be micro-chipped, and any change of ownership must be recorded with a the data company it was registered with. Vets are not obliged to check micro- chips when treating a dog as they say they are not the police. It is against the law to drive a car without insuance, tax and MOT, even that is not policed with over 2millon cars are reported to being driven without insurance, as the fines etc are cheaper than the cost of insurance.0 -
I'm afraid a lot of these problems will continue whilst Charities are still allowed to bring strays in from abroad.Gribbo said:Yeah, I've been a dog owner all my adult life and have nothing against obligatory licencing.
Over time, reckon it might help cut down on the amount of unwanted dogs, and possibly the theft of dogs n all?0 -
Stop the goats.Starinnaddick said:
I'm afraid a lot of these problems will continue whilst Charities are still allowed to bring strays in from abroad.Gribbo said:Yeah, I've been a dog owner all my adult life and have nothing against obligatory licencing.
Over time, reckon it might help cut down on the amount of unwanted dogs, and possibly the theft of dogs n all?7 -
Starinnaddick said:
I'm afraid a lot of these problems will continue whilst Charities are still allowed to bring strays in from abroad.Gribbo said:Yeah, I've been a dog owner all my adult life and have nothing against obligatory licencing.
Over time, reckon it might help cut down on the amount of unwanted dogs, and possibly the theft of dogs n all?
Never understand the logic in importing strays from places like Romania, when there's plenty of dogs already here needing new homes. Our neighbours got one and my in-laws once removed have 2, and all three dogs have quite bad behavioural problems, with constant barking and being a bit growly around other dogs and even people.
Poor things have probably been quite traumatised in the past, even if it's just from the journey here.3 -
Couldn't agree more. It's a nonsense.Gribbo said:Starinnaddick said:
I'm afraid a lot of these problems will continue whilst Charities are still allowed to bring strays in from abroad.Gribbo said:Yeah, I've been a dog owner all my adult life and have nothing against obligatory licencing.
Over time, reckon it might help cut down on the amount of unwanted dogs, and possibly the theft of dogs n all?
Never understand the logic in importing strays from places like Romania, when there's plenty of dogs already here needing new homes. Our neighbours got one and my in-laws once removed have 2, and all three dogs have quite bad behavioural problems, with constant barking and being a bit growly around other dogs and even people.
Poor things have probably been quite traumatised in the past, even if it's just from the journey here.0 - Sponsored links:
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I think a lot are street dogs and are almost feral, its a tough ask to re home them, theres a few round here and they seem to be either extremely timid or barky and agressive.Starinnaddick said:
Couldn't agree more. It's a nonsense.Gribbo said:Starinnaddick said:
I'm afraid a lot of these problems will continue whilst Charities are still allowed to bring strays in from abroad.Gribbo said:Yeah, I've been a dog owner all my adult life and have nothing against obligatory licencing.
Over time, reckon it might help cut down on the amount of unwanted dogs, and possibly the theft of dogs n all?
Never understand the logic in importing strays from places like Romania, when there's plenty of dogs already here needing new homes. Our neighbours got one and my in-laws once removed have 2, and all three dogs have quite bad behavioural problems, with constant barking and being a bit growly around other dogs and even people.
Poor things have probably been quite traumatised in the past, even if it's just from the journey here.0 -
Chips and licenses should be in place imo.0
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They simply shouldn't be driving.
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WHAT??????guinnessaddick said:
Stop the goats.Starinnaddick said:
I'm afraid a lot of these problems will continue whilst Charities are still allowed to bring strays in from abroad.Gribbo said:Yeah, I've been a dog owner all my adult life and have nothing against obligatory licencing.
Over time, reckon it might help cut down on the amount of unwanted dogs, and possibly the theft of dogs n all?0 -
This may be true but is it not also true that there is no compulsory central register for the chipped info?MuttleyCAFC said:
All dogs must be chipped by law. The chip has the owner's details on it. So really that is effectively a dog license. Of course those that don't bother getting a chip wouldn't bother getting a license.charente addick said:
Just because something is difficult to police doesn't necessarily mean that it shouldn't be legislated against.Dansk_Red said:Who is going to police it. All dogs under the law as it stands must be micro-chipped, and any change of ownership must be recorded with a the data company it was registered with. Vets are not obliged to check micro- chips when treating a dog as they say they are not the police. It is against the law to drive a car without insuance, tax and MOT, even that is not policed with over 2millon cars are reported to being driven without insurance, as the fines etc are cheaper than the cost of insurance.
This information is only as good as what is supplied by the individual submitting it and in light of the above, while well intentioned it is academic because the system is so porous that the careless and the cynical simply fall through.
From the relatively mundane issue of dog shit all the way up to dogs injuring people, the majority of dog owners are responsible, many try to train their pooches to be safe, passive, citizens but we are all let down by the negligent (and worse) minority.
The increase in reported dog attacks can obviously be put down to the heightened awareness and tabloid hectoring brought about by the changes to the 'dangerous dogs' legislation.
The very fact that this 'XL Bully' phenomenon is centered on a hybrid/crossbreed/mongrel makes the authorities' job ludicrously difficult to distinguish, in an ever more cynical and litigiously inclined society.
My neighbour has a Rhodesian Ridgeback (I had thought they were a banned "dangerous breed"). She looks scary as fuck. When she's inside barking at the postman/courier/etc she sounds scary as fuck. Doesn't bear thinking about what she might be capable of but she's properly trained and blessed with a very docile nature so we all get along perfectly.0 -
I don't care how scary she is, you should tell her not to bark at her postman. If anything, she should get her dog to do that instead.Billy_Mix said:
This may be true but is it not also true that there is no compulsory central register for the chipped info?MuttleyCAFC said:
All dogs must be chipped by law. The chip has the owner's details on it. So really that is effectively a dog license. Of course those that don't bother getting a chip wouldn't bother getting a license.charente addick said:
Just because something is difficult to police doesn't necessarily mean that it shouldn't be legislated against.Dansk_Red said:Who is going to police it. All dogs under the law as it stands must be micro-chipped, and any change of ownership must be recorded with a the data company it was registered with. Vets are not obliged to check micro- chips when treating a dog as they say they are not the police. It is against the law to drive a car without insuance, tax and MOT, even that is not policed with over 2millon cars are reported to being driven without insurance, as the fines etc are cheaper than the cost of insurance.
This information is only as good as what is supplied by the individual submitting it and in light of the above, while well intentioned it is academic because the system is so porous that the careless and the cynical simply fall through.
From the relatively mundane issue of dog shit all the way up to dogs injuring people, the majority of dog owners are responsible, many try to train their pooches to be safe, passive, citizens but we are all let down by the negligent (and worse) minority.
The increase in reported dog attacks can obviously be put down to the heightened awareness and tabloid hectoring brought about by the changes to the 'dangerous dogs' legislation.
The very fact that this 'XL Bully' phenomenon is centered on a hybrid/crossbreed/mongrel makes the authorities' job ludicrously difficult to distinguish, in an ever more cynical and litigiously inclined society.
My neighbour has a Rhodesian Ridgeback (I had thought they were a banned "dangerous breed"). She looks scary as fuck. When she's inside barking at the postman/courier/etc she sounds scary as fuck. Doesn't bear thinking about what she might be capable of but she's properly trained and blessed with a very docile nature so we all get along perfectly.2
