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2024-2025 average L1 home attendance

letthegoodtimesroll
letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,622
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I saw this chart, assuming it is accurate, that average league attendance isn’t that great though obviously a lot better than most in the division. Saturday’s game will clearly push our average over 15k but it will still mean that the average number of empty seats for league matches has been 12k over the season. Whichever division we are in next season the aim has got to be to challenge for promotion.




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  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,795
    Some of us remember being in the third tier when the average home gate would have been 5,000-6,000. Well that's what the "official" crowd was anyway!
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,223
    That's horrendous from Wycombe! 
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,470
    Bolton have already sold 14,000 season tickets for next season, i doubt we have sold 5,000 st's at the moment.
    https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/25027682.bolton-wanderers-reach-2025-26-season-ticket-milestone/
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,622
    Just checked and the average for those chaps down the road isn’t that great either, and probably worse when you consider the away support in the Championship would have been a lot higher than we’ve seen this season in L1.


  • HardyAddick
    HardyAddick Posts: 1,638
    Without that dip last autumn, we would be a lot higher 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,380
    What’s our average without the Wrexham game?
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,572
    How much would actually match attendance be I wonder, without ST absences and comps. Obviously comps is known by the club but ST absence can only be speculated on. Certainly during the seasons down time in Autumn there appeared a disparity between announced attendance and subjective view from thr ground.
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,622
    Palace’s figures not that impressive either given that most of their ‘support’ will be just there for the PL opposition. Obviously the ground capacity puts a cap on how many they could get but I didn’t realise there are only two grounds smaller than theirs in the PL






  • jose
    jose Posts: 624
    The financial people ought to realise more than they do that part of the Charlton Athletic business you can actually grow is bums on seats.
    In recent years there has been some movement in that direction, and maybe it is the little things like clean toilets, ease of access, decent and affordable refreshments, travel to matches that can be improved.
    I sometimes think that the effort to sell lounges and boxes might come at the expense of selling ordinary seats.
    Of course football success sells better than anything else.
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,622
    edited April 30
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Just checked and the average for those chaps down the road isn’t that great either, and probably worse when you consider the away support in the Championship would have been a lot higher than we’ve seen this season in L1.


    Not checked the maths but, presumably anything over 22k on Saturday will mean Charlton will average a higher attendance for the season despite being in a lower division and fewer away fans, as it should be
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  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,503
    That Bolton average is very impressive. 

    Do they do very cheap tickets? 
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,470
    Simonsen said:
    That Bolton average is very impressive. 

    Do they do very cheap tickets? 
     This season, season ticket prices.


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  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,804
    HardyAddick said:
    Without that dip last autumn, we would be a lot higher 
    but the true average attendance is much lower ... many games mid season with probably 4,000 less than published in actual attendance 
  • KingKinsella
    KingKinsella Posts: 1,312
    Can't remember the exact figure but Bradford in L2 get around 25K. Thats an achievement
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,622
    KingKinsella said:
    Can't remember the exact figure but Bradford in L2 get around 25K. Thats an achievement

  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,077
    Bradford have been selling very cheap tickets recently, ground is packed and looks great
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,622
    fenaddick said:
    Bradford have been selling very cheap tickets recently, ground is packed and looks great

    Pushing for promotion and probably think having lots of fans backing them will help. Clearly not an unsporting tactic we would ever stoop to…


  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,855
    Bradford have been selling cheap tickets for years, and have been stuck in L2 for years...
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,622
    edited April 30
    killerandflash said:
    Bradford have been selling cheap tickets for years, and have been stuck in L2 for years...
    Nearly got ‘NFT’ backing, been changing their manager a bit too frequently but now seem to have got the right one who has got them into the play offs…sounds familiar 


  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,826
    edited April 30
    Our figures are meaningless as they are simply not accurate and padded with freebies. Whether all other clubs do the same I don’t know, but I doubt to the extent of difference between our announced figures and attending and purchasing spectators. 
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  • Woodwork
    Woodwork Posts: 423
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    I saw this chart, assuming it is accurate, that average league attendance isn’t that great though obviously a lot better than most in the division. Saturday’s game will clearly push our average over 15k but it will still mean that the average number of empty seats for league matches has been 12k over the season. Whichever division we are in next season the aim has got to be to challenge for promotion.




    As a stat geek, can I ask where this is from. Because some sites, like Football Web Pages, often use different metrics. FWP or asking AI for example, include all home matches to calculate a home average rather than league average, so that includes cup games attended by one man and his dog. This looks like it only includes league matches. Thanks. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,022
    killerandflash said:
    Bradford have been selling cheap tickets for years, and have been stuck in L2 for years...
    It's also Bradford. What else is there to do?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,855
    AFKABartram said:
    Our figures are meaningless as they are simply not accurate and padded with freebies. Whether all other clubs do the same I don’t know, but I doubt to the extent of difference between our announced figures and attending and purchasing spectators. 
    All clubs will have some freebies. And I think all clubs include season ticket holders who don't turn up, so I don't think our numbers are that distorted when compared to other clubs.
  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,893
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Palace’s figures not that impressive either given that most of their ‘support’ will be just there for the PL opposition. Obviously the ground capacity puts a cap on how many they could get but I didn’t realise there are only two grounds smaller than theirs in the PL






    Top of the tifo league though.
  • KingKinsella
    KingKinsella Posts: 1,312
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    KingKinsella said:
    Can't remember the exact figure but Bradford in L2 get around 25K. Thats an achievement

    Ok got the number wrong.
    1) nearly double next best club
    2) bigger attendances than us
    3) Bigger attendances than most of L1
  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,135
    In fairness, Bradford is a one-club city, with a population of just under 550,000 at the last census. Leeds is 15 miles away and Huddersfield is also in West Yorkshire, but they have a good catchment area. 

    As someone observed, they’ve had a cheap ticket policy for many years and that’s undoubtedly helped keep the gates up during their lengthy stay in League 2. 
  • Southendaddick
    Southendaddick Posts: 5,314
    So we are averaging more home fans than Millwall when they are on the brink of the prem and we have only been good for half a season 👍


  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Just checked and the average for those chaps down the road isn’t that great either, and probably worse when you consider the away support in the Championship would have been a lot higher than we’ve seen this season in L1.


    Not checked the maths but, presumably anything over 22k on Saturday will mean Charlton will average a higher attendance for the season despite being in a lower division and fewer away fans, as it should be
    Anything over 23K by my calculation.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,739
    killerandflash said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Our figures are meaningless as they are simply not accurate and padded with freebies. Whether all other clubs do the same I don’t know, but I doubt to the extent of difference between our announced figures and attending and purchasing spectators. 
    All clubs will have some freebies. And I think all clubs include season ticket holders who don't turn up, so I don't think our numbers are that distorted when compared to other clubs.
    I think they are.
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 5,978
    Airman Brown said:
    killerandflash said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Our figures are meaningless as they are simply not accurate and padded with freebies. Whether all other clubs do the same I don’t know, but I doubt to the extent of difference between our announced figures and attending and purchasing spectators. 
    All clubs will have some freebies. And I think all clubs include season ticket holders who don't turn up, so I don't think our numbers are that distorted when compared to other clubs.
    I think they are.
    What would you guess the real average is, closer to 11-12k?

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