FA Cup Final

DOUCHER

MillwallFan said:

DOUCHER said:

they're taking over millwallfan - south london is their's remember

Haha. Just so long as there’s no Millwall fans about 😉

true - they'd never try such a thing in welling or dartford 

Woodwork

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

As i said previously, palace doing well is of miniscule importance compared to millwall doing well as palace is not something that happens in my world - they are over there and only became of real relevance when we had to ground share. The silver lining to us losing our status as the only major trophy winners south of the river is that millwall now become the only team not to have won a major trophy and puts them firmly into the loser bin. It's better how it was but its something and something i'm happy to remind millwall about   

You not counting the Football League Trophy, mate? They won it when top flight teams entered, so Rothman’s count it as a ‘major’ trophy 🙃😘

Also… if we are talking ‘south’ London as a whole, Clapham, Chelsea and the old Wimbledon have all won it too tbf. 

If you only count SE London, Charlton Athletic are still the only SE London club to win it. 

ok, good try but no, you are the only team south of the river without a major trophy (apparently wimbledon no longer count as they are a new club now) - if its simpler, lets say you are the only club without a major trophy in south east london - palace are in se25, like it or not. Apart from your lack of top division appearances, that makes you the least successful by some distance. I appreciate palace are catching us up, but you lot will just have to rely on your tales of when you were hard as that seems to be some consolation to most of you. It has to be i guess.    

If you appreciated football history more, you’d at least recognise Millwall have a fair bit of football history to their. 

Eg pioneers of professional football in London and the south, allowing them to be the first working man’s southern team to give the top professional northern & midland’s teams from the Football League a bloody nose. Their victories over Preston NE, Derby County, Everton & the great Aston Villa side of the late Victorian meaning they’re the only club in England to be bestowed a nickname for sporting prowess! The ‘Dockers’ being christened the ‘Lions of the South’ by the national sporting press. 

Indeed, the Millwall Athletic team, as they were then known, that reached two FA Cup semi-final (1900, 1903) no doubt inspired others in London to start their own clubs. Palace & Chelsea were both formed in 1905. 

i do appreciate football history and acknowledge millwall have been around longer than us but doesn't stop me pointing out they've never won anything so yesterday was probably a bigger blow to you than us - in my opinion, of course !!! 

But it depends on perspective really. Just like how some fans under 30 don’t recognise achievements before the PL era. Millwall were one of the best sides of the late Victorian era & proved it enough to be given a nickname by the press with their Southern League domination & FA Cup runs. You can certainly argue the early Southern League was as strong as the early Football League, bar the likes of Aston Villa, who Millwall beat in FA Cup QFs. 

Palace winning the Cup as is more likely to affect Charlton imo, as the floating football fans of SE London & Greater London choose between the two clubs depending on how each is doing each generation. Millwall are more a tribe. You either follow them or not. 

ElfsborgAddick

se9addick said:

Just been for a roast in New Cross and the beer garden was full of Palace fans, still in their shirts, singing their songs. Ruined my meal.

I'd have found somewhere else.

twiggyaddick

se9addick said:

Just been for a roast in New Cross and the beer garden was full of Palace fans, still in their shirts, singing their songs. Ruined my meal.

Does anyone know what usually happens to eagles that are too far north from their natural habitat?

Croydon

MillwallFan said:

se9addick said:

MillwallFan said:

se9addick said:

Just been for a roast in New Cross and the beer garden was full of Palace fans, still in their shirts, singing their songs. Ruined my meal.

Really?? What pub? I have a lot of connections to New Cross. A lot of family from there and spent a lot of time there, as a kid and as an adult, drinking in the pubs tgere. And I have never seen a palace fan there… ever. Even when we’ve played them at home. 

The Rose opposite New Cross Gate.

Strange location for them. No where near their area. Right outside the station though so maybe on route somewhere. 

Bit of a student pub these days anyway isn't it? Was filled with arty goldsmiths types during the euros

DOUCHER

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

As i said previously, palace doing well is of miniscule importance compared to millwall doing well as palace is not something that happens in my world - they are over there and only became of real relevance when we had to ground share. The silver lining to us losing our status as the only major trophy winners south of the river is that millwall now become the only team not to have won a major trophy and puts them firmly into the loser bin. It's better how it was but its something and something i'm happy to remind millwall about   

You not counting the Football League Trophy, mate? They won it when top flight teams entered, so Rothman’s count it as a ‘major’ trophy 🙃😘

Also… if we are talking ‘south’ London as a whole, Clapham, Chelsea and the old Wimbledon have all won it too tbf. 

If you only count SE London, Charlton Athletic are still the only SE London club to win it. 

ok, good try but no, you are the only team south of the river without a major trophy (apparently wimbledon no longer count as they are a new club now) - if its simpler, lets say you are the only club without a major trophy in south east london - palace are in se25, like it or not. Apart from your lack of top division appearances, that makes you the least successful by some distance. I appreciate palace are catching us up, but you lot will just have to rely on your tales of when you were hard as that seems to be some consolation to most of you. It has to be i guess.    

If you appreciated football history more, you’d at least recognise Millwall have a fair bit of football history to their. 

Eg pioneers of professional football in London and the south, allowing them to be the first working man’s southern team to give the top professional northern & midland’s teams from the Football League a bloody nose. Their victories over Preston NE, Derby County, Everton & the great Aston Villa side of the late Victorian meaning they’re the only club in England to be bestowed a nickname for sporting prowess! The ‘Dockers’ being christened the ‘Lions of the South’ by the national sporting press. 

Indeed, the Millwall Athletic team, as they were then known, that reached two FA Cup semi-final (1900, 1903) no doubt inspired others in London to start their own clubs. Palace & Chelsea were both formed in 1905. 

i do appreciate football history and acknowledge millwall have been around longer than us but doesn't stop me pointing out they've never won anything so yesterday was probably a bigger blow to you than us - in my opinion, of course !!! 

But it depends on perspective really. Just like how some fans under 30 don’t recognise achievements before the PL era. Millwall were one of the best sides of the late Victorian era & proved it enough to be given a nickname by the press with their Southern League domination & FA Cup runs. You can certainly argue the early Southern League was as strong as the early Football League, bar the likes of Aston Villa, who Millwall beat in FA Cup QFs. 

Palace winning the Cup as is more likely to affect Charlton imo, as the floating football fans of SE London & Greater London choose between the two clubs depending on how each is doing each generation. Millwall are more a tribe. You either follow them or not. 

utter nonsense and you know it - please try harder - in fact, please don't bother 

MillwallFan

Croydon said:

MillwallFan said:

se9addick said:

MillwallFan said:

se9addick said:

Just been for a roast in New Cross and the beer garden was full of Palace fans, still in their shirts, singing their songs. Ruined my meal.

Really?? What pub? I have a lot of connections to New Cross. A lot of family from there and spent a lot of time there, as a kid and as an adult, drinking in the pubs tgere. And I have never seen a palace fan there… ever. Even when we’ve played them at home. 

The Rose opposite New Cross Gate.

Strange location for them. No where near their area. Right outside the station though so maybe on route somewhere. 

Bit of a student pub these days anyway isn't it? Was filled with arty goldsmiths types during the euros

True but it’s still in New Cross 

MillwallFan

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

As i said previously, palace doing well is of miniscule importance compared to millwall doing well as palace is not something that happens in my world - they are over there and only became of real relevance when we had to ground share. The silver lining to us losing our status as the only major trophy winners south of the river is that millwall now become the only team not to have won a major trophy and puts them firmly into the loser bin. It's better how it was but its something and something i'm happy to remind millwall about   

You not counting the Football League Trophy, mate? They won it when top flight teams entered, so Rothman’s count it as a ‘major’ trophy 🙃😘

Also… if we are talking ‘south’ London as a whole, Clapham, Chelsea and the old Wimbledon have all won it too tbf. 

If you only count SE London, Charlton Athletic are still the only SE London club to win it. 

ok, good try but no, you are the only team south of the river without a major trophy (apparently wimbledon no longer count as they are a new club now) - if its simpler, lets say you are the only club without a major trophy in south east london - palace are in se25, like it or not. Apart from your lack of top division appearances, that makes you the least successful by some distance. I appreciate palace are catching us up, but you lot will just have to rely on your tales of when you were hard as that seems to be some consolation to most of you. It has to be i guess.    

Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of Millwall fans, and I mean the VAST majority, couldn’t give a flying fuck that Charlton won the FA cup like 80 years ago. 

Yes, of course we’d like to win a major trophy. Who wouldn’t? But the fact that Charlton won one long before most of you were even born means very little to us. I doubt it even registers with most of us. It certainly doesn’t with me. 

DOUCHER

MillwallFan said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

As i said previously, palace doing well is of miniscule importance compared to millwall doing well as palace is not something that happens in my world - they are over there and only became of real relevance when we had to ground share. The silver lining to us losing our status as the only major trophy winners south of the river is that millwall now become the only team not to have won a major trophy and puts them firmly into the loser bin. It's better how it was but its something and something i'm happy to remind millwall about   

You not counting the Football League Trophy, mate? They won it when top flight teams entered, so Rothman’s count it as a ‘major’ trophy 🙃😘

Also… if we are talking ‘south’ London as a whole, Clapham, Chelsea and the old Wimbledon have all won it too tbf. 

If you only count SE London, Charlton Athletic are still the only SE London club to win it. 

ok, good try but no, you are the only team south of the river without a major trophy (apparently wimbledon no longer count as they are a new club now) - if its simpler, lets say you are the only club without a major trophy in south east london - palace are in se25, like it or not. Apart from your lack of top division appearances, that makes you the least successful by some distance. I appreciate palace are catching us up, but you lot will just have to rely on your tales of when you were hard as that seems to be some consolation to most of you. It has to be i guess.    

Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of Millwall fans, and I mean the VAST majority, couldn’t give a flying fuck that Charlton won the FA cup like 80 years ago. 

Yes, of course we’d like to win a major trophy. Who wouldn’t? But the fact that Charlton won one long before most of you were even born means very little to us. I doubt it even registers with most of us. It certainly doesn’t with me. 

  i know, its childish to think it hurts being the only club not to have won anything but it is a bit funny, you have to admit that, come on lighten up  

JamesSeed

se9addick said:

JamesSeed said:

soapboxsam said:

The great thing about Charlton fans are they are so level headed as demonstrated on CL ?

They have 7 chips on one shoulder about Palace and 7 chips on the other shoulder about Millwall.

A week before a 50/50 match in getting Charlton Athletic back to their home land of the Championship and the 2nd tier, they are focused on Palace who left Charlton behind long ago. The League cup game when we lost 4-1 with our 1st team against their reserves was when we waved goodbye in their tatty old stadium. The last close game was the 2-1 lost when Glenn Murray scored twice after Ben Hamer's slip. 
I took that loss badly as 1-0 up at HT and JJ should have buried his header to go 2 up 🤦🏻‍♂️

Palace have a hybrid fan base with more ethnic groups than I see at Charlton. I'm not talking about ground hoppers or Football tourists. Many of their supporters live in Surrey but Thornton heath is very diverse as well as West Croydon where English isn't spoken very often.

Because of my Bermondsey roots I suffered more if we lost to Millwall because in many of those games we were higher in the table FFS.

Tribal rivalry is an ancient feral state and Charlton should probably focus on Millwall our nearest rival, IF and when we reached the promised land of the 2nd tier as opposed to a Premier team, with an FA cup win and European football next season.

Jealousy eats you up as I know with my hatred of Chelsea ! 😤

Sam, it’s not just about tribalism. I have friends who decided to become palace fans two or three years ago. They’ve always been very patronising about Charlton, and pretend to not even know which league we’re in. 

The one thing I’ve had to counter their jibes was the fact that we’d actually won a major trophy and they hadn’t. Of course It should be water off a duck’s back, I know, but it does rile me up. They have no understanding of the history of the game. To them it’s all about the Premier League. I guarantee if palace were relegated they’d soon lose interest. 

Christ, with friends like that…

Tbh, more friends of the missus, and one is an ex work colleague.

JamesSeed

Edit...wrong thread

ladywell_addick

I've come to realise that our biggest rivals over the last decade are... The club itself. Well more specifically the owners. Roland, Sandgaard, that liar with the fake sheikh etc I hate them more than Millwall and Palace, they are directly responsible for more hurt and heartbreak to this club than any on the pitch rival. Tbh fair play to Palace for becoming the well run and stable club that we were back in the Prem days. Millwall also now a stable club in a league we ought to be in. Fair play to them both (through gritted teeth) and now we have a semblance of stability in terms of ownership we should look at them as something to aim for.

thickandthin63

HastingsRed said:

thickandthin63 said:

Whatever the thoughts on Palace,I will treasure those scenes at the end of sky blue shirts wet with tears,have waited so long for this arrogant band of self entitled pricks to finish a season with nothing,long may it continue,they are now dads army,they have no great players any more.Giving Haarland a 10 year contract at 25m a year while under investigation just stinks of "you cant touch us",well we will see.

Lets see how many likes that gets.

Wont be many,and I would have rather any other club on earth to have inflicted the damage,but I hate City with a vengeance,their shit "Blue Moon" that stupid poznan,so if this is the start of their demise,then just one teeny weeny little spot of gratitude to palace.

AllHailTheHen

Not doubt Palace will soon start trotting out the line that they're "the only club to have ever won the FA Cup" (when held in 2025)

Big William

Look on the bright side, it took them 700 years to win something.

eastterrace6168

This is a really strange thread, we now have more pages and more posts here than on our own Post Match Thread for the Wycombe semi win, and almost The Match Thread itself...🙄

Woodwork

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

As i said previously, palace doing well is of miniscule importance compared to millwall doing well as palace is not something that happens in my world - they are over there and only became of real relevance when we had to ground share. The silver lining to us losing our status as the only major trophy winners south of the river is that millwall now become the only team not to have won a major trophy and puts them firmly into the loser bin. It's better how it was but its something and something i'm happy to remind millwall about   

You not counting the Football League Trophy, mate? They won it when top flight teams entered, so Rothman’s count it as a ‘major’ trophy 🙃😘

Also… if we are talking ‘south’ London as a whole, Clapham, Chelsea and the old Wimbledon have all won it too tbf. 

If you only count SE London, Charlton Athletic are still the only SE London club to win it. 

ok, good try but no, you are the only team south of the river without a major trophy (apparently wimbledon no longer count as they are a new club now) - if its simpler, lets say you are the only club without a major trophy in south east london - palace are in se25, like it or not. Apart from your lack of top division appearances, that makes you the least successful by some distance. I appreciate palace are catching us up, but you lot will just have to rely on your tales of when you were hard as that seems to be some consolation to most of you. It has to be i guess.    

If you appreciated football history more, you’d at least recognise Millwall have a fair bit of football history to their. 

Eg pioneers of professional football in London and the south, allowing them to be the first working man’s southern team to give the top professional northern & midland’s teams from the Football League a bloody nose. Their victories over Preston NE, Derby County, Everton & the great Aston Villa side of the late Victorian meaning they’re the only club in England to be bestowed a nickname for sporting prowess! The ‘Dockers’ being christened the ‘Lions of the South’ by the national sporting press. 

Indeed, the Millwall Athletic team, as they were then known, that reached two FA Cup semi-final (1900, 1903) no doubt inspired others in London to start their own clubs. Palace & Chelsea were both formed in 1905. 

i do appreciate football history and acknowledge millwall have been around longer than us but doesn't stop me pointing out they've never won anything so yesterday was probably a bigger blow to you than us - in my opinion, of course !!! 

But it depends on perspective really. Just like how some fans under 30 don’t recognise achievements before the PL era. Millwall were one of the best sides of the late Victorian era & proved it enough to be given a nickname by the press with their Southern League domination & FA Cup runs. You can certainly argue the early Southern League was as strong as the early Football League, bar the likes of Aston Villa, who Millwall beat in FA Cup QFs. 

Palace winning the Cup as is more likely to affect Charlton imo, as the floating football fans of SE London & Greater London choose between the two clubs depending on how each is doing each generation. Millwall are more a tribe. You either follow them or not. 

utter nonsense and you know it - please try harder - in fact, please don't bother 

So… you’re not going to call them the ‘invincibles of the south’ then? 😂

CAFCTrev

People acting like the sky’s falling and the Nigels are about to start challenging Real Madrid. It’s absolute bollocks. Clubs like them are always one bad transfer window and a relegation away from sliding straight back into mediocrity. Leicester won the Premier League and the FA Cup — and now they’re back in the Championship.

And all this talk about attendances, claiming ‘most of South London’ because a few kids jump on the bandwagon… who cares? One relegation, a couple of years of mid-table second-tier dross, and those crowds will vanish. It’s happened before — they were pulling 10-15k in the late 2000s, don’t forget.

As for the whole "we lost a generation of fans" line, I’ve never bought it. Sure, crowds dropped, but it’s not like 10,000 people disappeared off the face of the earth. It might not be the same faces, but new ones will turn up. Get promoted, or better yet have a decent spell in the Prem, and The Valley would be packed every week. Yeah, there’ll be some plastics — but plenty of them will stick around and end up proper Charlton for life.

Palace are having their moment, fair play. But nothing lasts forever. Our turn will come again — and hopefully, it starts on Sunday.

Six-a-bag-of-nuts

CAFCTrev said:

People acting like the sky’s falling and the Nigels are about to start challenging Real Madrid. It’s absolute bollocks. Clubs like them are always one bad transfer window and a relegation away from sliding straight back into mediocrity. Leicester won the Premier League and the FA Cup — and now they’re back in the Championship.

And all this talk about attendances, claiming ‘most of South London’ because a few kids jump on the bandwagon… who cares? One relegation, a couple of years of mid-table second-tier dross, and those crowds will vanish. It’s happened before — they were pulling 10-15k in the late 2000s, don’t forget.

As for the whole "we lost a generation of fans" line, I’ve never bought it. Sure, crowds dropped, but it’s not like 10,000 people disappeared off the face of the earth. It might not be the same faces, but new ones will turn up. Get promoted, or better yet have a decent spell in the Prem, and The Valley would be packed every week. Yeah, there’ll be some plastics — but plenty of them will stick around and end up proper Charlton for life.

Palace are having their moment, fair play. But nothing lasts forever. Our turn will come again — and hopefully, it starts on Sunday.

It's hard to be impressed with your reasoning when the 2 teams you use as examples have both won the FA Cup recently and one of them the fecking Premier League!
Right now there's more chance of Palace playing Real Madrid than us winning either.
Yeh, football tends to go in cycles and we will likely have our day again. Not sure it will be in my lifetime, but hey.
Anyway, I've had my moan and whine. Palace winning the cup is going to depress me for some time, but life goes on.

david sylvian

If it helps ease your pain just think about the excruciating agony I had at Club Wembley on Saturday - in the City end - watching us win that game over almost two long hours. The three hours after the final whistle were great, and I'm now wearing a different Palace shirt every day until I have worn my entire collection - but the match itself was horrific to experience

ElfsborgAddick

david sylvian said:

If it helps ease your pain just think about the excruciating agony I had at Club Wembley on Saturday - in the City end - watching us win that game over almost two long hours. The three hours after the final whistle were great, and I'm now wearing a different Palace shirt every day until I have worn my entire collection - but the match itself was horrific to experience

F*** off.