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Plane on fire over london
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Yeah c'mon Leroy sort it out!uncle said:
Could they not put an umbrella type structure in front of the engine, far enough away to allow air in but close enough to deflect flocks of birds?Leroy Ambrose said:
I think that's the reasoning behind it. Chickens are bigger than the average bird that is likely to get hit by a plane, and will cause more damage, so it makes sense to use them for testing (the thinking being that if you can make the planes as safe against chickens, then pigeons will barely even register a blip). I think the main problem with birdstrike is flocks of birds rather than individuals - maybe they're not chucking enough chickens into the engines at once during testing?uncle said:
Why Chickens? Not likely to see many of those flying into the engine.man_at_milletts said:
I'd change your name if I were you, Robbo. :-)Robbo on the wing said:
I blame Bob Crow.PL54 said:It's called bird strike and happens quite a lot
The industry spends a lot of time hurling frozen and unfrozen chickens into the engines for testing purposes.
You might like to try watching Aircrash Investigation, there's a lot smaller things which can bring down a plane than a bird.Chris_from_Sidcup said:ValleyGary said:
If you hit enough of them they can really damage the engine fan blade. Once one blade goes they hit against each other like a domino effect and the engine fails.Chris_from_Sidcup said:How does a flock of birds cause a f*cking great big plane to catch fire?
Amazing to think that in 2013 a plane that must cost tens of millions to build can be brought down by a few pigeons!
In all seriousness, birdstrike is one of those random hazards of flying that you can't ever eliminate - just try and minimise the risk as much as you can0 -
Yeah Leroy I had big hopes for you on aviation safety.Greenie said:
Yeah c'mon Leroy sort it out!uncle said:
Could they not put an umbrella type structure in front of the engine, far enough away to allow air in but close enough to deflect flocks of birds?Leroy Ambrose said:
I think that's the reasoning behind it. Chickens are bigger than the average bird that is likely to get hit by a plane, and will cause more damage, so it makes sense to use them for testing (the thinking being that if you can make the planes as safe against chickens, then pigeons will barely even register a blip). I think the main problem with birdstrike is flocks of birds rather than individuals - maybe they're not chucking enough chickens into the engines at once during testing?uncle said:
Why Chickens? Not likely to see many of those flying into the engine.man_at_milletts said:
I'd change your name if I were you, Robbo. :-)Robbo on the wing said:
I blame Bob Crow.PL54 said:It's called bird strike and happens quite a lot
The industry spends a lot of time hurling frozen and unfrozen chickens into the engines for testing purposes.
You might like to try watching Aircrash Investigation, there's a lot smaller things which can bring down a plane than a bird.Chris_from_Sidcup said:ValleyGary said:
If you hit enough of them they can really damage the engine fan blade. Once one blade goes they hit against each other like a domino effect and the engine fails.Chris_from_Sidcup said:How does a flock of birds cause a f*cking great big plane to catch fire?
Amazing to think that in 2013 a plane that must cost tens of millions to build can be brought down by a few pigeons!
In all seriousness, birdstrike is one of those random hazards of flying that you can't ever eliminate - just try and minimise the risk as much as you can0 -
A bit like The Last Crusade, incredible.uncle said:It's shocking really, who needs weapons of mass destruction? Just throw a few pigeons up in the sky and you can wipe out cities.
Fantastic that no one was hurt.0 -
I think the hudson incident was an entire flock of geese.stonewallpenalty said:
Didn't that american who landed in the Hudson hit a flock of birds? What a hero.ValleyGary said:
If you hit enough of them they can really damage the engine fan blade. Once one blade goes they hit against each other like a domino effect and the engine fails.Chris_from_Sidcup said:How does a flock of birds cause a f*cking great big plane to catch fire?
Bird strikes in engines are common enough that planes are designed so that if there is a bird strike the plane just flies back around and lands. Obviously not very nice for the passengers but its probably one of the easiest situstions for pilots to deal with0 -
Very good!Robbo on the wing said:
I blame Bob Crow.PL54 said:It's called bird strike and happens quite a lot
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Because the second hand sell-on market to KFC is a good one. Next!uncle said:
Why Chickens? Not likely to see many of those flying into the engine.man_at_milletts said:
I'd change your name if I were you, Robbo. :-)Robbo on the wing said:
I blame Bob Crow.PL54 said:It's called bird strike and happens quite a lot
The industry spends a lot of time hurling frozen and unfrozen chickens into the engines for testing purposes.
You might like to try watching Aircrash Investigation, there's a lot smaller things which can bring down a plane than a bird.Chris_from_Sidcup said:ValleyGary said:
If you hit enough of them they can really damage the engine fan blade. Once one blade goes they hit against each other like a domino effect and the engine fails.Chris_from_Sidcup said:How does a flock of birds cause a f*cking great big plane to catch fire?
Amazing to think that in 2013 a plane that must cost tens of millions to build can be brought down by a few pigeons!
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Come on be realistic. Who would crawl out and open the umbrella?Greenie said:
Yeah c'mon Leroy sort it out!uncle said:
Could they not put an umbrella type structure in front of the engine, far enough away to allow air in but close enough to deflect flocks of birds?Leroy Ambrose said:
I think that's the reasoning behind it. Chickens are bigger than the average bird that is likely to get hit by a plane, and will cause more damage, so it makes sense to use them for testing (the thinking being that if you can make the planes as safe against chickens, then pigeons will barely even register a blip). I think the main problem with birdstrike is flocks of birds rather than individuals - maybe they're not chucking enough chickens into the engines at once during testing?uncle said:
Why Chickens? Not likely to see many of those flying into the engine.man_at_milletts said:
I'd change your name if I were you, Robbo. :-)Robbo on the wing said:
I blame Bob Crow.PL54 said:It's called bird strike and happens quite a lot
The industry spends a lot of time hurling frozen and unfrozen chickens into the engines for testing purposes.
You might like to try watching Aircrash Investigation, there's a lot smaller things which can bring down a plane than a bird.Chris_from_Sidcup said:ValleyGary said:
If you hit enough of them they can really damage the engine fan blade. Once one blade goes they hit against each other like a domino effect and the engine fails.Chris_from_Sidcup said:How does a flock of birds cause a f*cking great big plane to catch fire?
Amazing to think that in 2013 a plane that must cost tens of millions to build can be brought down by a few pigeons!
In all seriousness, birdstrike is one of those random hazards of flying that you can't ever eliminate - just try and minimise the risk as much as you can0 -
Nathan's still looking for a job.man_at_milletts said:
Come on be realistic. Who would crawl out and open the umbrella?Greenie said:
Yeah c'mon Leroy sort it out!uncle said:
Could they not put an umbrella type structure in front of the engine, far enough away to allow air in but close enough to deflect flocks of birds?Leroy Ambrose said:
I think that's the reasoning behind it. Chickens are bigger than the average bird that is likely to get hit by a plane, and will cause more damage, so it makes sense to use them for testing (the thinking being that if you can make the planes as safe against chickens, then pigeons will barely even register a blip). I think the main problem with birdstrike is flocks of birds rather than individuals - maybe they're not chucking enough chickens into the engines at once during testing?uncle said:
Why Chickens? Not likely to see many of those flying into the engine.man_at_milletts said:
I'd change your name if I were you, Robbo. :-)Robbo on the wing said:
I blame Bob Crow.PL54 said:It's called bird strike and happens quite a lot
The industry spends a lot of time hurling frozen and unfrozen chickens into the engines for testing purposes.
You might like to try watching Aircrash Investigation, there's a lot smaller things which can bring down a plane than a bird.Chris_from_Sidcup said:ValleyGary said:
If you hit enough of them they can really damage the engine fan blade. Once one blade goes they hit against each other like a domino effect and the engine fails.Chris_from_Sidcup said:How does a flock of birds cause a f*cking great big plane to catch fire?
Amazing to think that in 2013 a plane that must cost tens of millions to build can be brought down by a few pigeons!
In all seriousness, birdstrike is one of those random hazards of flying that you can't ever eliminate - just try and minimise the risk as much as you can0 -
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Yeh, come on Nathan. Have you got a head for heights?
According to passengers, there were loud popping noises on take off. I thought that was normal.
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Why not some wire mesh in front of the blades?0
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Simple answer to that is the cost.uncle said:
A single blade which is installed on the rolls royce engines on an a380 are approx the cost of a "luxury car" each.
Bear in mind they use 4 engines and all.
Thats a lot of wedge, even for an airline.0 -
If cost is the only reason, god forbid one comes down over London killing thousands... Can imagine the outcry when they say the good blades were to expensive.Jarman said:
Simple answer to that is the cost.uncle said:
A single blade which is installed on the rolls royce engines on an a380 are approx the cost of a "luxury car" each.
Bear in mind they use 4 engines and all.
Thats a lot of wedge, even for an airline.0 -
Yeah, you'd be spending a lot more on fuel that way0
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Another incident
from sky news
RAF fighter jets have escorted a Pakistan International Airlines aircraft from Manchester Airport to Stansted Airport.
The airline has confirmed it is for security reasons. There are understood to be 297 passengers on board.
The plane was heading west towards Manchester when it was suddenly re-routed near York and headed back out to the North Sea, before travelling south to Stansted.
It is believed to have now landed at the airport.
An Essex Police spokeswoman said: "An incident has occurred on an aircraft. Police and partners are responding."
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Could they not put an umbrella type structure in front of the engine, far enough away to allow air in but close enough to deflect flocks of birds?
777's can suck up a full luggage trolley from the ground...this actually happened, so an umbrella would stand no chance.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8045432.stm
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I don't think he/she meant an actual umbrella...0
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Neither did I...more like steel dome thingy attachment...RZA said:I don't think he/she meant an actual umbrella...
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