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Asbestos Removal

I have on going issues with my Housing Ass

Now my guttering is very old and contains Asbestos, they replaced it today, but my understanding is that a proper company should remove it, then the builders come in and do what they need to do after.

Is this true? do they have to or is it recomended?

Cheers

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  • it need sheeting and the placing in properly identified bags. Only companies that have a disposal cert can get ride of it.
    When my roof was being replaced (it was asbestos) the local Environmental Health Officer from the council knocked on door asked me who and how----------i had used same company as the council had when doing roofs a few doors down so they could f++k off.
  • No - it's not true.

    They would have tested the guttering to firstly find out what kind of asbestos it was, what the actual asbestos content was and finally it's condition.

    Most asbestos cement guttering is chrysotile and mixed with cement it is hard to break and damage. Damage to this material releases the fibres which causes the problems later on.

    Removal of asbestos cement products that contain Chrysotile is low risk and do not generally require the use of a licensed asbestos removal company - as long as the removal is managed correctly and the disposal of the product is monitored.
  • Any asbestos removal requires a licence, if they plan on not using a competent company you should report to health and safety executive as it is against the law. Protect your self and family.
  • Cheers for that

    It was booked for next week to have a proper company, builders turned up today ripped it out replaced it and left a fecking mess
  • Don't sweep up the dust without damping it down well first. Asbestos dust will kill you. Mesothelioma is one of the worst diseases it is possible to die from.
  • Whith out following correct procedure guilty party's could face jail. If not removed safely and cleaned and cleared properly it can be dangerous. Report to HSE. ignore any we double bagged, didn't break crap. Only competent removal teams should under take.
  • Red one said:

    Whith out following correct procedure guilty party's could face jail. If not removed safely and cleaned and cleared properly it can be dangerous. Report to HSE. ignore any we double bagged, didn't break crap. Only competent removal teams should under take.

    Even the big boys can get caught.

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2011/coi-se-msasbestos.htm
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    Red one said:

    Any asbestos removal requires a licence, if they plan on not using a competent company you should report to health and safety executive as it is against the law. Protect your self and family.

    Absolute rubbish. Report them to the HSE if you like - they will just tell you they're not doing anything illegal.

    Please see the attached page from the HSE website, which tells you exactly what a non licensed contractor can work on with regard to asbestos.

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/essentials/index.htm



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    Red one said:

    Whith out following correct procedure guilty party's could face jail. If not removed safely and cleaned and cleared properly it can be dangerous. Report to HSE. ignore any we double bagged, didn't break crap. Only competent removal teams should under take.

    You want to try reading the Control of Asbestos Regulations 2012.

    I'd love to see how you deal with removal of artex and floor tiles.

    Here's the HSE guidance for removal of asbestos cement guttering.

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/guidance/a14.pdf

    Please note it quite clearly say 'non licensed tasks'
  • I have on going issues with my Housing Ass

    Now my guttering is very old and contains Asbestos, they replaced it today, but my understanding is that a proper company should remove it, then the builders come in and do what they need to do after.

    Is this true? do they have to or is it recomended?

    Cheers

    Find out if your county council have a similar scheme as Essex County Council.They will collect from domestic property's (free of charge ) any properly bagged up asbestos waste up to a total weight of 40kg.
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  • My ex-girlfriend had an asbestos roof on her shed and was being quoted in the thousands to have it removed in the 'proper' manner.

    She mentioned this to a friend who put her in touch with a team of Chinese builders who did it for the princely sum of 300 quid.

    Not so big on the H&S aspects though.
  • My ex-girlfriend had an asbestos roof on her shed and was being quoted in the thousands to have it removed in the 'proper' manner.

    She mentioned this to a friend who put her in touch with a team of Chinese builders who did it for the princely sum of 300 quid.

    Not so big on the H&S aspects though.

    Bloody scary really. They exposed themselves and anyone nearby to what is a killer. Not a possible killer but a killer. Breath in a lungful of asbestos dust and thirty years down the line it WILL kill you in a particularly horrible way.

  • My ex-girlfriend had an asbestos roof on her shed and was being quoted in the thousands to have it removed in the 'proper' manner.

    She mentioned this to a friend who put her in touch with a team of Chinese builders who did it for the princely sum of 300 quid.

    Not so big on the H&S aspects though.

    Bloody scary really. They exposed themselves and anyone nearby to what is a killer. Not a possible killer but a killer. Breath in a lungful of asbestos dust and thirty years down the line it WILL kill you in a particularly horrible way.

    Yes, that's why she took her family away for two weeks whilst it was being done.

    Her old man was there to oversee it and asked the top guy if they should be wearing special gear, the bloke cracked up laughing and waved him away!
  • Reminds me of being in a mine in Potosi in Bolivia. I wasn't enough that it was a working mine, and we had to keep diving out of the way of flying carts... before going in we bought dynamite, fags, 98% alcohol and coca leaves as presents for the miners. The guide then lit some dynamite for us to pose with, before running off with it.

    At one point my Mrs was touching this chalky substance on the walls, and the guide yelled out "don't touch that... it's asbestos!"

    No wonder millions of people have died in that mine :S
  • McBobbin said:

    Reminds me of being in a mine in Potosi in Bolivia. I wasn't enough that it was a working mine, and we had to keep diving out of the way of flying carts... before going in we bought dynamite, fags, 98% alcohol and coca leaves as presents for the miners. The guide then lit some dynamite for us to pose with, before running off with it.

    At one point my Mrs was touching this chalky substance on the walls, and the guide yelled out "don't touch that... it's asbestos!"

    No wonder millions of people have died in that mine :S

    Thought about going there when we were in Bolivia....glad we didn't, though it sounds like an 'interesting' experience all the same.
  • McBobbin said:

    Reminds me of being in a mine in Potosi in Bolivia. I wasn't enough that it was a working mine, and we had to keep diving out of the way of flying carts... before going in we bought dynamite, fags, 98% alcohol and coca leaves as presents for the miners. The guide then lit some dynamite for us to pose with, before running off with it.

    At one point my Mrs was touching this chalky substance on the walls, and the guide yelled out "don't touch that... it's asbestos!"

    No wonder millions of people have died in that mine :S

    Thought about going there when we were in Bolivia....glad we didn't, though it sounds like an 'interesting' experience all the same.
    It was an amazing experience... but blimey it was dangerous. I went on a mine trip in Derbyshire, and the lift went down slowly, while the walls moved upwards. Literally. The walls were a band of wall coloured material on rollers. the experience wasn't the same.

    Back on subject, my garage roof was asbestos, and the roofer's brother in law was the council asbestos man. Had the whole rood replaced for about £250, and all done legit. I was so impressed I even paid the VAT.
  • edited July 2013

    My ex-girlfriend had an asbestos roof on her shed and was being quoted in the thousands to have it removed in the 'proper' manner.

    She mentioned this to a friend who put her in touch with a team of Chinese builders who did it for the princely sum of 300 quid.

    Not so big on the H&S aspects though.

    Bloody scary really. They exposed themselves and anyone nearby to what is a killer. Not a possible killer but a killer. Breath in a lungful of asbestos dust and thirty years down the line it WILL kill you in a particularly horrible way.

    Not necessarily. You can breathe it in every day for 20 years and not get either Asbestosis or Mesothelioma - conversely just one fibre can inbed itself in your lungs.

    They are still mining Asbestos today in Russia, Canada and South Africa.



  • Addickted said:

    My ex-girlfriend had an asbestos roof on her shed and was being quoted in the thousands to have it removed in the 'proper' manner.

    She mentioned this to a friend who put her in touch with a team of Chinese builders who did it for the princely sum of 300 quid.

    Not so big on the H&S aspects though.

    Bloody scary really. They exposed themselves and anyone nearby to what is a killer. Not a possible killer but a killer. Breath in a lungful of asbestos dust and thirty years down the line it WILL kill you in a particularly horrible way.

    Not necessarily. You can breathe it in every day for 20 years and not get either Asbestosis or Mesothelioma - conversely just one fibre can inbed itself in your lungs.

    They are still mining Asbestos today in Russia, Canada and South Africa.



    Canada have banned MDF, but still mine Asbestos!
  • Spray water on it, double bag it and take down Bromley council dump, Waldo Rd.
    They have a bin for it there.
    When I was an apprentice back in the early ‘80s I used to make assembly fixtures out of the stuff, furnite, I think it was called. It had warning stickers on the sheets saying it contained asbestos, but white asbestos was considered relatively safe then, or it was by my then foreman.
    Fact is we have been breathing in asbestos fibres for years; car/train brake and clutch linings, buildings being demolished/ constructed. Greenwich hospital had its pipes lagged in the stuff, I bet they didn’t remove every fibre from that building before they blew it up releasing clouds of god knows what into the surrounding area.
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    When I first saw the title I thought, bollocks not another useless transfer thread about a player we know nothing about.

    I personally think asbestos is the tip of the iceberg. Medical science is going to have to keep a pace with the ramifications of what the world has been putting in it's food, air and building products.
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  • Addickted said:

    My ex-girlfriend had an asbestos roof on her shed and was being quoted in the thousands to have it removed in the 'proper' manner.

    She mentioned this to a friend who put her in touch with a team of Chinese builders who did it for the princely sum of 300 quid.

    Not so big on the H&S aspects though.

    Bloody scary really. They exposed themselves and anyone nearby to what is a killer. Not a possible killer but a killer. Breath in a lungful of asbestos dust and thirty years down the line it WILL kill you in a particularly horrible way.

    Not necessarily. You can breathe it in every day for 20 years and not get either Asbestosis or Mesothelioma - conversely just one fibre can inbed itself in your lungs.

    They are still mining Asbestos today in Russia, Canada and South Africa.



    Well, asbestos killed a good friend of mine a couple of years ago and he couldn't even remember when he'd ever gone anywhere near it in 30 years, so be very careful.
  • If you breath it every day for twenty years it will kill you.
  • I have a neighbour who spent 30 years working at Chatham Dockyard stripping asbestos lagging from boilers and pipeworks - the vast majority of it blue asbestos, the most dangerous kind.

    He hasn't suffered from either asbestosis or mesothelioma, but his wife died of asbestosis four years ago. It is highly likely she got it from the fibres he bought home with him - probably whilst doing his washing.
  • Mesothelioma is often diagnosed 40 years or more after even minimal contact. Unfortunately your neighbour is not off the hook yet.
  • I know SHG. It's just the injustice of him being fine and his wife getting it third hand so to say.
  • Addickted said:

    I have a neighbour who spent 30 years working at Chatham Dockyard stripping asbestos lagging from boilers and pipeworks - the vast majority of it blue asbestos, the most dangerous kind.

    He hasn't suffered from either asbestosis or mesothelioma, but his wife died of asbestosis four years ago. It is highly likely she got it from the fibres he bought home with him - probably whilst doing his washing.

    Same happened to a friends mum, they reckon she had got it from cleaning her husbands clothes, he was a messenger in a bank and apparently he got roped into clearing some asbestos from a ceiling area and this led to his wife's illness (and ultimate death) many years later...RIP.
  • Addickted said:

    I have a neighbour who spent 30 years working at Chatham Dockyard stripping asbestos lagging from boilers and pipeworks - the vast majority of it blue asbestos, the most dangerous kind.

    He hasn't suffered from either asbestosis or mesothelioma, but his wife died of asbestosis four years ago. It is highly likely she got it from the fibres he bought home with him - probably whilst doing his washing.

    Same happened to a friends mum, they reckon she had got it from cleaning her husbands clothes, he was a messenger in a bank and apparently he got roped into clearing some asbestos from a ceiling area and this led to his wife's illness (and ultimate death) many years later...RIP.
    Yes, this was a very common occurrence here in Oz, the Unions had to fight tooth and nail for years to get compensation for thousands of families that were exposed in this way.

    The worst offender was a company called James Hardie whose incompetence and deception over asbestos caused hundreds of men and their relatives to die in the most horrific way imaginable.

    A family friend of my wife's died of this, it was absolutely horrific and his family got nothing as he was a self-employed builder.
  • Addickted said:

    No - it's not true.

    They would have tested the guttering to firstly find out what kind of asbestos it was, what the actual asbestos content was and finally it's condition.

    Most asbestos cement guttering is chrysotile and mixed with cement it is hard to break and damage. Damage to this material releases the fibres which causes the problems later on.

    Removal of asbestos cement products that contain Chrysotile is low risk and do not generally require the use of a licensed asbestos removal company - as long as the removal is managed correctly and the disposal of the product is monitored.

    Correct we use a little firm in Maidstone that tell ourselves if we can strip the roof or require an asbestos removal specialist
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