***Button sold to Brentford***
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Most clubs are plate spinning to be fair.Airman Brown said:
Plate spinning again.Rob62 said:
What i think it hints at is that they thought they would have investment by now and paying off deferred fees this summer would be no problem.Mundell Fleming said:
That really is quite bizarre and hints at a level of dysfunctionality within the Club's decision making that is very alarming.Airman Brown said:
I think you have to understand that the reason we signed Button, as opposed to an outfield player who may have been more use, was that Spurs were willing to deal on this basis and other clubs weren't.carly burn said:
How many more have we got on deferrals then?Airman Brown said:The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
In fact,I think I'd rather not know.
Similarly Stevenage accepted a delayed payment for Lawrie Wilson on the basis he couldn't play until we paid the down payment. Other clubs demurred.
This was a bolt from the blue but then again the signing wasn't really expected in the first place. From what I saw I never thought he would push Hamer anyway. I don't suppose SCP wanted to sell him but I also would think he'd have put his foot down if it really troubled him. the commend of "reluctantly accepting" the offer is more likely that the player knew of the offer and asked to move. SCP wants players that want to play for Charlton and if Button wasn't firmly in the right frame of mind then that's why he has gone.
As for someone on here stating they thought he was carrying too much weight....I find that incredible as I was scared to fart when he played in case it knocked him over! He was a matchstick man.
I think what we are going to see this season is a number of teams relying on youth (us included) and a number of teams with financial clout (QPR, forest, watford, Leicester etc) It's like a second premier league. We just need to remain competitive and stay in the division until FFP screws enough of our competitors over or we get sold and join the bigger boys once again.
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How common is it to defer the full fee?Airman Brown said:The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
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I've never heard of it before.rikofold said:
How common is it to defer the full fee?Airman Brown said:The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
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Probably means that Tottenham thought they were being paid a very full price - certainly more than was being offered by anybody paying upfront. Great business for the Club.Airman Brown said:
I've never heard of it before.rikofold said:
How common is it to defer the full fee?Airman Brown said:The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
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Swisdom - I agree with most of this, but Nigel Pearson was quoted this week as saying that Leicester's owners were reining in spending in light of FFP and that he didn't expect any signings other than frees or loans, with others expected to leave. They have already sold Beckford and released Richie Wellens and only brought in Bakayogo from Tranmere on a free.Swisdom said:
Most clubs are plate spinning to be fair.Airman Brown said:
Plate spinning again.Rob62 said:
What i think it hints at is that they thought they would have investment by now and paying off deferred fees this summer would be no problem.Mundell Fleming said:
That really is quite bizarre and hints at a level of dysfunctionality within the Club's decision making that is very alarming.Airman Brown said:
I think you have to understand that the reason we signed Button, as opposed to an outfield player who may have been more use, was that Spurs were willing to deal on this basis and other clubs weren't.carly burn said:
How many more have we got on deferrals then?Airman Brown said:The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
In fact,I think I'd rather not know.
Similarly Stevenage accepted a delayed payment for Lawrie Wilson on the basis he couldn't play until we paid the down payment. Other clubs demurred.
This was a bolt from the blue but then again the signing wasn't really expected in the first place. From what I saw I never thought he would push Hamer anyway. I don't suppose SCP wanted to sell him but I also would think he'd have put his foot down if it really troubled him. the commend of "reluctantly accepting" the offer is more likely that the player knew of the offer and asked to move. SCP wants players that want to play for Charlton and if Button wasn't firmly in the right frame of mind then that's why he has gone.
As for someone on here stating they thought he was carrying too much weight....I find that incredible as I was scared to fart when he played in case it knocked him over! He was a matchstick man.
I think what we are going to see this season is a number of teams relying on youth (us included) and a number of teams with financial clout (QPR, forest, watford, Leicester etc) It's like a second premier league. We just need to remain competitive and stay in the division until FFP screws enough of our competitors over or we get sold and join the bigger boys once again.
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I don't think all is right with us, but I do think that we're not the only ones that are starting to adjust to the new world of FFP. In our case, I think there's more to it than just that though and we're juggling/spinning (choose your favourite term) just to keep treading water.
The ones who look like they're going all out before the new rules are Forest, who seem to be splashing out more than anyone else. If it doesn't work this season, they could be in trouble next!0 -
Lovin all this 'adjusting to FFP' assumptions.
If you asked Jiminez what FFP was he would probably guess it was a law firm Slater used to work for.
Actually he wouldn't, I forgot he doesn't speak to supporters or press0 -
I did say that I think there's more to it with us, but just about everything on here is an "assumption" anyway!!0
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Not true. I do it on Football Manager all the time.Airman Brown said:
I've never heard of it before.rikofold said:
How common is it to defer the full fee?Airman Brown said:The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
On a serious note Airman, was the fee a a flat £200k or was this dependent on appearances etc?0 -
Im sorry, you spout some shite but this is the biggest pile of bollocks you've come out with.golfaddick said:
sorry, but a line up of Yann, Fuller, Obika, Pigott & Azeez would feel me with dread !! I'd be very surprised if they would get 20 goals between them.The Red Robin said:I wonder if the £200k fee for Button was based on appearances or if it was upfront? If so then we may not have paid £200k for him and could have done some good business with Brentford here.
Fingers crossed for Obika and / or Fuller now with Pigott and Azeez as 4th and 5th choice forwards. I'd be happy with that.
Its like your a parody now, im golfie so i must be really negative.0 -
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Have to echo your sentiments VG.ValleyGary said:
Im sorry, you spout some shite but this is the biggest pile of bollocks you've come out with.golfaddick said:
sorry, but a line up of Yann, Fuller, Obika, Pigott & Azeez would feel me with dread !! I'd be very surprised if they would get 20 goals between them.The Red Robin said:I wonder if the £200k fee for Button was based on appearances or if it was upfront? If so then we may not have paid £200k for him and could have done some good business with Brentford here.
Fingers crossed for Obika and / or Fuller now with Pigott and Azeez as 4th and 5th choice forwards. I'd be happy with that.
Its like your a parody now, im golfie so i must be really negative.0 -
My understanding is it was a flat fee, but if there were add-ons they could have been additional.The Red Robin said:
Not true. I do it on Football Manager all the time.Airman Brown said:
I've never heard of it before.rikofold said:
How common is it to defer the full fee?Airman Brown said:The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
On a serious note Airman, was the fee a a flat £200k or was this dependent on appearances etc?0 -
Airman Brown said:
My understanding is it was a flat fee, but if there were add-ons they could have been additional.The Red Robin said:
Not true. I do it on Football Manager all the time.Airman Brown said:
I've never heard of it before.rikofold said:
How common is it to defer the full fee?Airman Brown said:The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
On a serious note Airman, was the fee a a flat £200k or was this dependent on appearances etc?
I thought at the time that the £500 K fee was mentioned on here that it was dependent on add ons like promotion to the Prem/ England caps / first option buy back or percentage resale clauses.
I suspect these would have been sold on with Button as I understand Tottenham are quite keen on these sort of deals as was demonstrated when they brought Defoe and Kabol back from Pompey.0 -
The only price I ever saw quoted widely was the one that Rick confirmed earlier in the thread - £200K.
I don't think you can sell on clauses for a player. They would have been binding on Charlton, if there were any, but I can't imagine that you can expect future employers to pick up the tab. At what stage would it stop?0 -
TelMc32 said:
The only price I ever saw quoted widely was the one that Rick confirmed earlier in the thread - £200K.
I don't think you can sell on clauses for a player. They would have been binding on Charlton, if there were any, but I can't imagine that you can expect future employers to pick up the tab. At what stage would it stop?
Our clause for Michael Turner was sold on by Brentford to Hull.
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Any additional clauses there may have been would now be void as he has left the club.0
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Thanks Airman. That's a hell of a lot of money to be spending on a reserve goalkeeper. Worrying when we have none!Airman Brown said:
My understanding is it was a flat fee, but if there were add-ons they could have been additional.The Red Robin said:
Not true. I do it on Football Manager all the time.Airman Brown said:
I've never heard of it before.rikofold said:
How common is it to defer the full fee?Airman Brown said:The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
On a serious note Airman, was the fee a a flat £200k or was this dependent on appearances etc?0 -
This.ValleyGary said:
Im sorry, you spout some shite but this is the biggest pile of bollocks you've come out with.golfaddick said:
sorry, but a line up of Yann, Fuller, Obika, Pigott & Azeez would feel me with dread !! I'd be very surprised if they would get 20 goals between them.The Red Robin said:I wonder if the £200k fee for Button was based on appearances or if it was upfront? If so then we may not have paid £200k for him and could have done some good business with Brentford here.
Fingers crossed for Obika and / or Fuller now with Pigott and Azeez as 4th and 5th choice forwards. I'd be happy with that.
Its like your a parody now, im golfie so i must be really negative.
Yann and Fuller are both fantastic players who will be the thorn in any defense on their day, and Obika has shown that he can score the odd goal when required.
Pigott and Azeez are likely to be our two most promising attacking players in our youth set up, so would be more than happy for them to start getting some game time. They're 19/20 years of age afterall, not babies.
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Neither Fuller nor Obika are our players at the moment!cafctom said:
This.ValleyGary said:
Im sorry, you spout some shite but this is the biggest pile of bollocks you've come out with.golfaddick said:
sorry, but a line up of Yann, Fuller, Obika, Pigott & Azeez would feel me with dread !! I'd be very surprised if they would get 20 goals between them.The Red Robin said:I wonder if the £200k fee for Button was based on appearances or if it was upfront? If so then we may not have paid £200k for him and could have done some good business with Brentford here.
Fingers crossed for Obika and / or Fuller now with Pigott and Azeez as 4th and 5th choice forwards. I'd be happy with that.
Its like your a parody now, im golfie so i must be really negative.
Yann and Fuller are both fantastic players who will be the thorn in any defense on their day, and Obika has shown that he can score the odd goal when required.
Pigott and Azeez are likely to be our two most promising attacking players in our youth set up, so would be more than happy for them to start getting some game time. They're 19/20 years of age afterall, not babies.0 -
I know - I was responding to Golfie's suggestions that a lineup of Yann/Fuller/Obika/Azeez/Pigott would be dreadful and not get 20 goals between them.killerandflash said:
Neither Fuller nor Obika are our players at the moment!cafctom said:
This.ValleyGary said:
Im sorry, you spout some shite but this is the biggest pile of bollocks you've come out with.golfaddick said:
sorry, but a line up of Yann, Fuller, Obika, Pigott & Azeez would feel me with dread !! I'd be very surprised if they would get 20 goals between them.The Red Robin said:I wonder if the £200k fee for Button was based on appearances or if it was upfront? If so then we may not have paid £200k for him and could have done some good business with Brentford here.
Fingers crossed for Obika and / or Fuller now with Pigott and Azeez as 4th and 5th choice forwards. I'd be happy with that.
Its like your a parody now, im golfie so i must be really negative.
Yann and Fuller are both fantastic players who will be the thorn in any defense on their day, and Obika has shown that he can score the odd goal when required.
Pigott and Azeez are likely to be our two most promising attacking players in our youth set up, so would be more than happy for them to start getting some game time. They're 19/20 years of age afterall, not babies.0 -
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Barry Bannon's move from Villa to Blackburn has stalled due to personal terms. Blackburns manager said they have to be aware of their budget. Ipswich yesterday announced that they hoped their team would be made up of at least 50% of academy graduates by 2017. It appears championship clubs are reducing their budgets because of FFP.TelMc32 said:
Swisdom - I agree with most of this, but Nigel Pearson was quoted this week as saying that Leicester's owners were reining in spending in light of FFP and that he didn't expect any signings other than frees or loans, with others expected to leave. They have already sold Beckford and released Richie Wellens and only brought in Bakayogo from Tranmere on a free.Swisdom said:
Most clubs are plate spinning to be fair.Airman Brown said:
Plate spinning again.Rob62 said:
What i think it hints at is that they thought they would have investment by now and paying off deferred fees this summer would be no problem.Mundell Fleming said:
That really is quite bizarre and hints at a level of dysfunctionality within the Club's decision making that is very alarming.Airman Brown said:
I think you have to understand that the reason we signed Button, as opposed to an outfield player who may have been more use, was that Spurs were willing to deal on this basis and other clubs weren't.carly burn said:
How many more have we got on deferrals then?Airman Brown said:The fee to Spurs for Button was £200k but deferred until June 2013. Whether it had been paid, I rather doubt, so maybe this is to resolve that situation. But hopefully it is to free up money for a striker. After all, you can only play one goalkeeper at once.
In fact,I think I'd rather not know.
Similarly Stevenage accepted a delayed payment for Lawrie Wilson on the basis he couldn't play until we paid the down payment. Other clubs demurred.
This was a bolt from the blue but then again the signing wasn't really expected in the first place. From what I saw I never thought he would push Hamer anyway. I don't suppose SCP wanted to sell him but I also would think he'd have put his foot down if it really troubled him. the commend of "reluctantly accepting" the offer is more likely that the player knew of the offer and asked to move. SCP wants players that want to play for Charlton and if Button wasn't firmly in the right frame of mind then that's why he has gone.
As for someone on here stating they thought he was carrying too much weight....I find that incredible as I was scared to fart when he played in case it knocked him over! He was a matchstick man.
I think what we are going to see this season is a number of teams relying on youth (us included) and a number of teams with financial clout (QPR, forest, watford, Leicester etc) It's like a second premier league. We just need to remain competitive and stay in the division until FFP screws enough of our competitors over or we get sold and join the bigger boys once again.
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I don't think all is right with us, but I do think that we're not the only ones that are starting to adjust to the new world of FFP. In our case, I think there's more to it than just that though and we're juggling/spinning (choose your favourite term) just to keep treading water.
The ones who look like they're going all out before the new rules are Forest, who seem to be splashing out more than anyone else. If it doesn't work this season, they could be in trouble next!0 -
Fuller is hardly prolific though is he. Obika - the jury would still be out, could he do it over a whole season? The others are kids and I expect nothing from them (in the sense I don't want to heap pressure on them to get us the goals we need). So, although Yann, Fuller & Obika don't fill me with dread I can't see them scoring 30 league goals in a season between them.0
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I don't really understand how that could work. Passing on the clause would devalue the deal for Hull. Once Turner left Brentford, any clauses that were part of the original deal taking him there would be voided surely?Richard J said:TelMc32 said:The only price I ever saw quoted widely was the one that Rick confirmed earlier in the thread - £200K.
I don't think you can sell on clauses for a player. They would have been binding on Charlton, if there were any, but I can't imagine that you can expect future employers to pick up the tab. At what stage would it stop?
Our clause for Michael Turner was sold on by Brentford to Hull.
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cafctom said:
I know - I was responding to Golfie's suggestions that a lineup of Yann/Fuller/Obika/Azeez/Pigott would be dreadful and not get 20 goals between them.killerandflash said:
Neither Fuller nor Obika are our players at the moment!cafctom said:
This.ValleyGary said:
Im sorry, you spout some shite but this is the biggest pile of bollocks you've come out with.golfaddick said:
sorry, but a line up of Yann, Fuller, Obika, Pigott & Azeez would feel me with dread !! I'd be very surprised if they would get 20 goals between them.The Red Robin said:I wonder if the £200k fee for Button was based on appearances or if it was upfront? If so then we may not have paid £200k for him and could have done some good business with Brentford here.
Fingers crossed for Obika and / or Fuller now with Pigott and Azeez as 4th and 5th choice forwards. I'd be happy with that.
Its like your a parody now, im golfie so i must be really negative.
Yann and Fuller are both fantastic players who will be the thorn in any defense on their day, and Obika has shown that he can score the odd goal when required.
Pigott and Azeez are likely to be our two most promising attacking players in our youth set up, so would be more than happy for them to start getting some game time. They're 19/20 years of age afterall, not babies.
Didn't the first three of those actually get 20 between them last year, even with Obika only making a handful of appearances late on?
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bit of a difference between 20 and 30. Our forwards got 31 last season.LargeAddick said:Fuller is hardly prolific though is he. Obika - the jury would still be out, could he do it over a whole season? The others are kids and I expect nothing from them (in the sense I don't want to heap pressure on them to get us the goals we need). So, although Yann, Fuller & Obika don't fill me with dread I can't see them scoring 30 league goals in a season between them.
JJ is important but with his goals, but last season Yann was injured for a couple of months, so id expect him to get more than 12.0 -
is it buttons sold for peanuts or peanuts sold for buttons0
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Our thread about Michael Turner http://www.charltonlife.com/discussion/27550/michael-turner .Rob62 said:
I don't really understand how that could work. Passing on the clause would devalue the deal for Hull. Once Turner left Brentford, any clauses that were part of the original deal taking him there would be voided surely?Richard J said:TelMc32 said:The only price I ever saw quoted widely was the one that Rick confirmed earlier in the thread - £200K.
I don't think you can sell on clauses for a player. They would have been binding on Charlton, if there were any, but I can't imagine that you can expect future employers to pick up the tab. At what stage would it stop?
Our clause for Michael Turner was sold on by Brentford to Hull.
My point is if Brentford were happy with the add ons they could effectively take on the liability to Spurs.
If what is being said about us needing to sell is true and it sounds more than plausible then Tottenham would not lose out,as i say above I believe they are extremely astute when it comes to these sorts of clauses.
I do think Button will prove to be a good keeper at CCC / L1 level and his value will only increase with regular games much in the same way as it has done with Hamer.0 -
Herd CP has been going round Westminster asking all the Romanian squaters if they want to play for us----------------------------------f++kers all went home on the next flight !!!!!0
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Ok, so Brentford agreed a 30% sell on fee with Hull, and offered to split that with us, no doubt in lieu of the sell on payment that Brentford would have owed us. So they get extra cash in the short term, but potentially less in the long term. We got less cash in the short term, but potentially more in the long term.Richard J said:
Our thread about Michael Turner http://www.charltonlife.com/discussion/27550/michael-turner .Rob62 said:
I don't really understand how that could work. Passing on the clause would devalue the deal for Hull. Once Turner left Brentford, any clauses that were part of the original deal taking him there would be voided surely?Richard J said:TelMc32 said:The only price I ever saw quoted widely was the one that Rick confirmed earlier in the thread - £200K.
I don't think you can sell on clauses for a player. They would have been binding on Charlton, if there were any, but I can't imagine that you can expect future employers to pick up the tab. At what stage would it stop?
Our clause for Michael Turner was sold on by Brentford to Hull.
My point is if Brentford were happy with the add ons they could effectively take on the liability to Spurs.
If what is being said about us needing to sell is true and it sounds more than plausible then Tottenham would not lose out,as i say above I believe they are extremely astute when it comes to these sorts of clauses.
I do think Button will prove to be a good keeper at CCC / L1 level and his value will only increase with regular games much in the same way as it has done with Hamer.
That's fine, but that wouldn't be possible in this case - no money would be due to Spurs unless there was a sell on clause AND we have sold him for more than we bought him for, which I very much doubt to be the case.0 -
Surely sell-on fee clauses only apply to the profit made on the transfer fee by the selling club, rather than on the total fee paid by the next buying club?
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