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latest Voice, especially Kevin Nolan

Still not finished it, but the latest Voice is a richly satisfying read, nicely balanced and diverse. Everyone should try to read Matt Wrights's spirited defense of Simon Church. But what really amuses me is Kevin Nolan's conspiracy theory article about the antics of Arry, and especially Uwe Rosler. He wrote it before yesterday results of course, and by now I fear that Kevin is on his way to Wigan to kill Rosler. Not that I have any wish to stop him from doing so...
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  • Second this. Lots of great content and a good diversity of opinion.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,154
    Excellent as usual and Dan Webster's article in particular sums up exactly how I feel at the moment.

    Thank you Airman.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456

    Second this. Lots of great content and a good diversity of opinion.

    My copy must have been missing a few pages then.

  • redlanered
    redlanered Posts: 2,205
    An interesting and enlightening read, but I'm not 100% convinced on the balance issue. The Telegraph will print diverse and sometimes opposing opinion, but across the paper the editorial stance will come through.

    But nobody says VOTV is under some public service obligation to sit right in the middle on every issue, and Rick has never hidden his feelings (!).

  • Sam lloyd
    Sam lloyd Posts: 1,083

    Excellent as usual and Dan Webster's article in particular sums up exactly how I feel at the moment.

    Thank you Airman.

    Yes, Dan Webster's article summed up my feelings too.

  • Beckboy
    Beckboy Posts: 1,682
    Balanced ?.Not sure about that
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    I thought it was balanced with a chip on both shoulders.Only kidding,it was good as usual. I always enjoy reading Kevin Nolan. Ben Kensell ( formerly Arsenal Football Club) got a bit of a kicking.
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,034
    Thought it was the best issue so far as well as the articles mentioned by others,I liked the piece about Riga working in Qatar with ex Addick academy director Mick Browne.
  • BDL
    BDL Posts: 6,004
    I can vouch for Kevin's "dislike" of all things Wigan after a conversation last night!
  • Very well written and informative. A good read. The editorial position is cleary critical of the Club. Not sure quite what "balance" means in that context.

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  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    If it is critical of the club, I won't be reading it btw, does it say what would make it pro the club ? Who are our hoped for owners, board, employees, management and players?
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,178
    edited April 2014
    Well the lead article is written by that well known left wing trouble maker, Professor Wyn Grant, and includes the muck raking, trouble stirring comment: "what I have never heard from those who think that the arrival of Roland Duchatelet is the start of a new gloomy era for the club, is what their preferred alternative would have been" .
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,565
    What's a "gloomy ear" ?!
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,178

    Very well written and informative. A good read. The editorial position is cleary critical of the Club. Not sure quite what "balance" means in that context.

    I mean that there is a nice spread of topics, and it is less focused on current behind the scenes issues, particularly those which Airman was close to, than past editions. Of course there is Airman Brown's Diary, there always has been. It is a fanzine after all, with a mission and permission to entertain in a certain way.

  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,178

    What's a "gloomy ear" ?!

    Sorry. Era. Bloody iPad mini
  • Very well written and informative. A good read. The editorial position is cleary critical of the Club. Not sure quite what "balance" means in that context.

    I mean that there is a nice spread of topics, and it is less focused on current behind the scenes issues, particularly those which Airman was close to, than past editions. Of course there is Airman Brown's Diary, there always has been. It is a fanzine after all, with a mission and permission to entertain in a certain way.

    OK In which case I agree. The mix of articles works well. And I wasn't bring critical. The Editor has a clear position and doesn't pretend otherwise and that's fair enough.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456

    Well the lead article is written by that well known left wing trouble maker, Professor Wyn Grant, and includes the muck raking, trouble stirring comment: "what I have never heard from those who think that the arrival of Roland Duchatelet is the start of a new gloomy ear for the club, is what their preferred alternative would have been" .

    Phew.

    How many times did you re-read VOTV to find that single sentance Prague? :-)

    Hopefully the fantastic news about the investment in the playing surface that has cost us so much this season will be covered in VOTV 113.

  • Dippenhall
    Dippenhall Posts: 3,922
    Enjoy a good read of the Voice and don't expect to agree with everything. It's healthy to have your own prejudices challenged. Changed my mind about Church until he came on second half.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,178
    Addickted said:

    Well the lead article is written by that well known left wing trouble maker, Professor Wyn Grant, and includes the muck raking, trouble stirring comment: "what I have never heard from those who think that the arrival of Roland Duchatelet is the start of a new gloomy ear for the club, is what their preferred alternative would have been" .

    Phew.

    How many times did you re-read VOTV to find that single sentance Prague? :-)

    Hopefully the fantastic news about the investment in the playing surface that has cost us so much this season will be covered in VOTV 113.

    I guess you understand the phrase "lead article" ?

    Maybe it is presumptuous of me to suggest it, not being involved in VOTV but why don't you write an article for VOTV 113, putting whatever you consider to be the other side of the story? Get it off your chest...

  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    I also understand the word 'Editorial'

    Wyn's article can be described as 'lead' just because it's the first after the editorial - but I see where you're coming from.

    It was then followed by articles from Rick, Matt, ABs Diary, Matt again, Kevin Nolan, Matt again, Dan Webster (probably the most 'balanced' article), Rick again, Rick again, another Rick advertising piece and the LG.

    Pretty sure all but one of those are in the G21.

    Sadly missing the letters page still - would be great to read from all those long standing fans leaving the club in droves.

    No problems with the publication, have always bought it and always will. I like to hear what fellow (and respected) CAFC fans have to say.

    Just don't pretend that it's balanced.

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  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,178
    @Addickted‌
    Well I meant balanced in a slightly different way to you, as I explained to Mundell above. But I think @redlanered captured it well with his Telegraph analogy. I actually think it is all the more enjoyable because most of the articles do not require anybody to be on one side or other of the tiresome fan politics.
    Mainly, I am pleasantly surprised how relevant the revived Voice has turned out to be in the digital age.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,104
    Kevin Nolan is great, isn't he? I fully believe him when he writes that his article was knocked out on the coach back from Sheffield. Anyone else would take weeks to write an article only half as entertaining.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,756
    edited April 2014
    Addickted said:

    I also understand the word 'Editorial'

    Wyn's article can be described as 'lead' just because it's the first after the editorial - but I see where you're coming from.

    It was then followed by articles from Rick, Matt, ABs Diary, Matt again, Kevin Nolan, Matt again, Dan Webster (probably the most 'balanced' article), Rick again, Rick again, another Rick advertising piece and the LG.

    Pretty sure all but one of those are in the G21.

    Sadly missing the letters page still - would be great to read from all those long standing fans leaving the club in droves.

    No problems with the publication, have always bought it and always will. I like to hear what fellow (and respected) CAFC fans have to say.

    Just don't pretend that it's balanced.

    Print publications generally are under no obligation to be balanced, but to be credible I think you need to be willing to reflect both sides of an argument. I asked Wyn to write his piece because I wanted a view that was more pro-RD than any of the others. I then ran it ahead of pieces critical of RD. I didn't ask anyone to write pieces critical of him and if any other positive piece about him had come in I would have run that too. Neither Dan Webster nor the Gunman are involved with the G21 group.

    I wasn't aware of the detail around the pitch on the Greenwich website until after we'd gone to print, but I would certainly have covered it in detail had I had it on Wednesday.

    Completely agree that the Voice would be much better with its letters pages but my attempts to encourage letters to date have been unsuccessful. In fact the only ones I was sent that could have gone in this issue were copies of critical letters sent to the club about Crossbars and the recent VIP meeting, but I didn't think they said anything new.

    I'm glad people liked the issue, but perhaps it isn't clear that I'm not generally in a position to pick and choose editorial. It's all done working flat out over a week to ensure it's as topical as it can be and it will never be perfect, but the people who read it seem to value it, which I appreciate.

    But as I say in some detail, let's see what the summer brings. If we stay up there is a new opportunity for RD to impress.
  • seriously_red
    seriously_red Posts: 5,741

    Very well written and informative. A good read. The editorial position is cleary critical of the Club. Not sure quite what "balance" means in that context.

    I mean that there is a nice spread of topics, and it is less focused on current behind the scenes issues, particularly those which Airman was close to, than past editions. Of course there is Airman Brown's Diary, there always has been. It is a fanzine after all, with a mission and permission to entertain in a certain way.

    OK In which case I agree. The mix of articles works well. And I wasn't bring critical. The Editor has a clear position and doesn't pretend otherwise and that's fair enough.

    @Addickted‌
    Well I meant balanced in a slightly different way to you, as I explained to Mundell above. But I think @redlanered captured it well with his Telegraph analogy. I actually think it is all the more enjoyable because most of the articles do not require anybody to be on one side or other of the tiresome fan politics.
    Mainly, I am pleasantly surprised how relevant the revived Voice has turned out to be in the digital age.

    That clears a lot up for me... the editor has a clear position but last week he claimed he doesn't have an agenda! At least that was his claim as I played back one of his anti-Duchatelet rants about ragbags of rubbish. Great alliteration I'm sure but never an alternative way forwards nor a rational analysis of how CAFC might develop and compete going forwards.
    Voice of the Valley is relevant to Charlton in the same way that the Daily Mail is relevant to a balanced debate about Europe! Great to read if you want to see some reactive anti Duchatelet propaganda or to understand the mindset of someone who only sees blame for past mistakes as a solution and fear of the future as a way to deal with supporting Charlton. But best come onto Charlton Life if one wants to see a more balanced dialogue.

    As many people can tell I prefer to drink Leffe not bitter.

  • mistrollingin
    mistrollingin Posts: 3,868
    I stood with Airman for about half an hour yesterday, while he was selling VOTV, along with his loyal team of helpers.

    I can confirm that the magazine has a very enthusiastic and diverse audience, and long may that continue.

  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    edited April 2014

    Addickted said:

    I also understand the word 'Editorial'

    Wyn's article can be described as 'lead' just because it's the first after the editorial - but I see where you're coming from.

    It was then followed by articles from Rick, Matt, ABs Diary, Matt again, Kevin Nolan, Matt again, Dan Webster (probably the most 'balanced' article), Rick again, Rick again, another Rick advertising piece and the LG.

    Pretty sure all but one of those are in the G21.

    Sadly missing the letters page still - would be great to read from all those long standing fans leaving the club in droves.

    No problems with the publication, have always bought it and always will. I like to hear what fellow (and respected) CAFC fans have to say.

    Just don't pretend that it's balanced.

    the G21 group.
    LOL - when I termed this analogy, I never expected you to start using it.

    Glad to see you are taking a more pragmatic approach about the current situation and what seems like more positive vibes coming out of the Club - particularly with regard to infra structure expenditure.

    If I'm wrong, come the Autumn, then I'll happily stand next to you behind the barricades!
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,756
    edited April 2014
    As far as my own position is concerned, the reason I take issue with the claim that I have an "agenda" around RD is that it isn't true. In fact, I bought a Belgian flag and took it to Wigan, which was done to provide an upbeat welcome to him on the cover of VOTV110. Before the picture was taken he then sold Kermorgant, which I regarded and still regard as a foolish decision. This meant the Voice had to take a more nuanced line, but the flag is still there on the front page and it is the only one I have seen to date at a Charlton match.

    It then emerged - as the stats set out by Matt Wright in the latest issue amply demonstrate - that the players RD had brought in, presumably to strengthen the squad, were hopelessly inadequate for that purpose. In other words they were nonsense signings. Events show that to have been the case.

    Finally, we have the circumstances surrounding the sacking of Chris Powell, which were the trigger for the G21 - not the fact he was sacked, but what happened prior to the Sheffield United game and had been happening for weeks. The point of it being a group is and was to show that it is not one person's view, but as others involved know, because we have discussed it, I am by no means the person most critical or sceptical of RD.

    Against those issues I would put the pitch investment and the signing of Wiggins, Fox and Dhillon. I also know Katrien Meire has made a positive impression at The Valley and it's clear that she and by extension RD have a much more inclusive idea of how to run a football club than their predecessors. I welcome all that and hope to see more of the same. I believe RD is an intelligent person and not a crook, which cannot be assumed in football.

    I'm unable to give any weight to players we didn't sign or the Sparrows Lane development as it stands, because it involves no RD input and no RD money. However, it's obviously not a negative and may well become a big positive. But we should judge him on players he does sign, including some of our existing squad, and what he actually does. In the same way I am not much persuaded by what has appeared in the media.

    Further, If we stay up some of the negatives will be wiped out, since the risk of relegation is a big consideration in how stupid the January transfer activity was.

    I'm also aware that people are far more likely to come up to me and moan about RD than to tell me that they think he's wonderful, but I am not responsible for the views held by other contributors to the Voice, neither do I suppress opinions that are contrary to my own - unlike for example the club programme, which only allows one perspective and lacks credibility as a consequence. If any publication is unbalanced and therefore obviously has an agenda it's the Valley Review, but inevitably so.

    In the end I publish a fanzine and in general it will take a critical standpoint. Those who see it as one-eyed, however, might take note that my article about the prospects for the summer is headlined "Daring to dream again", which is hardly a negative slant.

    If RD brings success to Charlton - or even stabilises it as a half-decent Championship club - then he'll have my support. I'll bring the flag out again to show it, and I don't discount that happening. But I don't go in for mindless optimism either.
  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    edited April 2014
    Where's the Belgium flag right now that you've sold that edition ? Was it bought for support or sales ?
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,773
    edited April 2014
    Surely it is up to you if you buy the voice or not. I thought this edition was balanced - but even if it wasn't - don't buy it if you don't want to. That is the only valid criticism - if it is a bitter poor publication, it won't sell.
  • I think fanzines are best when they are a series of polemics, with people selecting the evidence that they want to make their point. If there's enough of them with different views, and with VOTV there almost always are, then you have yourself a very good magazine. Sad to see that the Brighton fanzine on sale a couple of weeks ago will be their last in print and great that AB has reintroduced a printed mag. As I think Prague said, if you think there's a gap, write an article.