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so it turns out the people being "negative" weren't being "negative" at all,
THEY WERE BEING "RIGHT"34 -
And this should be the time of year when we are all looking forward to new signings, the new season etc.
Very worrying to say the least. Anyone know what's happened to Muzza, the supporters "Voice in the Boardroom" or some such nonsense we were told he would be when roly took over.
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Move on.5
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Jeez. How depressing. And to think our club used to be held up as a model by which others were run.
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There is a big difference between the departure of Powell and of Dyer. Powell had his contract terminated and therefore probably received compensation for which he would have to have signed a compromise agreement which would have detailed what he could say about the club and visa versa. However, I guess, Dyer completed his contract and therefore is not tied into any legal agreement so can say what he likes.
As others have said there is no reason for Dyer not to tell the truth which makes it very worrying even for the most optimistic supporter, which I'm not.
Perhaps administration would have been the lesser of two evils.2 -
Well said, Alex Dyer. Thanks very much for posting #stvrdd12
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If, as I had suggested at the outset, RD is Aspergic , then treating people as commodities was to be expected. He is an exceptional businessman in industries that only require advanced mathematical logic. My son is a brilliant example. Football is a game essentially about raw emotion. I remain of the opinion that RD will fail in football just as he did in politics. Thanks Alex, you may have opened some eyes, you are a star and I will miss you xx4
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So pleased that Dyer has made this public. It's not rumours anymore, it's cold, hard facts. I defy anyone to tell me that Duchatelet's continued ownership of the club is a good thing.
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Who you going to call? ...... G21!!5
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I hope you are going to "whoosh" me, but how do you expect anyone to move on when we've got the same chairman and the same set up?O-Randy-Hunt said:Move on.
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This is very worrying indeed.
Given the gracious way Dyer continued to support the survival effort after Chris Powell left this does not come across as somebody bitter at what has happened (he will partner Chris Powell in his next venture I imagine) and is therefore throwing a tantrum about his contract running down, it really does not read like that.
What it does read like is somebody telling it like it is, that is the credible position given what we know about past events.
Which of course leads us on to future events. My (oft repeated) fear is not that we are a feeder club but that Charlton Athletic will be a reserve team, proving ground, convalescent establishment, shop window, farm, call it what you will, where players (scouted on stats and the internet!!!!) will arrive to add to their value, never minding the results on the pitch. Sheesh Polish Pete has good stats, but I have seen him play live several times and he was nowhere near up to standard (sic).
There is a cost benefit aspect. Maybe if Rd loses money at Charlton because of results/performances/attendances then he can recoup those losses by hitting regular pay days on Charlton rehabilitated players.
The only way to counter my fears is, I fear, results in matches. Football supporters are not fools, and they do tend to vote with their feet, and be pretty vocal about things. If we do not see a credible set up that prioritises success for Charlton Athletic, than what will be the point for us attending matches? Are we supposed to stand and admire the business concept, or the football?12 -
i've been feeling dismayed at how things have been going since the season ended. It's deflating when you feel like you are seeing everything "charlton" being forgotten and replaced with "the network"
after seeing that Dyer interview I feel f*****g angry about it. I couldn't care less if RD saved us from administration, at least we would still have a charlton we all recognise albeit in league 1.
Bob Peeters is no "yes man" eh? well if he wants to keep his job he's going to have to say yes to Roly when it comes to "the network" players. I really hope this works wonderfully this year, we get promoted and Roland f**ks off with a nice profit and we can all follow Charlton Athletic again11 -
After backing Roland all the way but now I am struggling to counter this piece from dyer3
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He is busy working on the player loan arrangement we have with Liverpool as part of the Jonjo Shelvey sale.mistrollingin said:And this should be the time of year when we are all looking forward to new signings, the new season etc.
Very worrying to say the least. Anyone know what's happened to Muzza, the supporters "Voice in the Boardroom" or some such nonsense we were told he would be when roly took over.3 -
Apparently there is a part 2 on Friday.
I posted without comment above , but I feel quite depressed by this . I gave Roland the benefit of the doubt about Powell V Riga partly because Jose's team selections did not favour the network , we played more attractive football and ultimately we stayed up relatively comfortably . I liked SCP and am glad his record is intact following our survival , but I could not say we would definitely have stayed up had he not been dismissed .
The subsequent events do concern me and Alex Dyer is the first insider to go on the record,so i do see this as significant.
I will support Bob Peeters and hope we acquire a good calibre of Belgian / network player this window because I am sure that is where our signings will be from. Regulars on here will know I normally enjoy the transfer speculation. This summer I suspect I will not have a clue about the players coming in and will be consulting the search engine on my sons's Football Manager game more often.1 -
I will still wait until the season begins to see were we are then thankyou.
Dyer shit footballer shit coach.2 -
mrbligh said:
so it turns out the people being "negative" weren't being "negative" at all,
lm right im right der der der der der
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The reason i use to renew my season tickets is because like many others i love the club and the game of football, at this moment in time i renew my season ticket because my son loves the club and the game of football , the people getting involved in football clubs dont give a toss anymore about us fans its all money to them and its worrying especially for a club like us and after all the hard work and passion the fans av put in .2
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WoooshStig said:
I hope you are going to "whoosh" me, but how do you expect anyone to move on when we've got the same chairman and the same set up?O-Randy-Hunt said:Move on.
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Did they not already admit that the players they brought in were not good enough.0
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There are plenty of examples of average players that have performed well in managerial/coaching roles. I don't think Dyer has been outstanding, but he hasn't been poor.scabbyhorse said:I will still wait until the season begins to see were we are then thankyou.
Dyer shit footballer shit coach.
At least, he seems to have some integrity. Something which seems to be in short supply.8 -
I think Dyer might know a little bit more about the day to day running of the club than youscabbyhorse said:I will still wait until the season begins to see were we are then thankyou.
Dyer shit footballer shit coach.21 -
Don't know where we'd be without your considered, well-reasoned contributions. I'm impressed that you manage to post at all with your head submerged in sand.scabbyhorse said:I will still wait until the season begins to see were we are then thankyou.
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Not good reading that. But then I suppose it's not a great deal we didn't already know; Powell didn't pick the January signings and RD would have preferred his network players to play. What I'm far more interested in are the comments Dyer made about the reactions of some of the players to not being in the squad. What was it, 'you wouldn't know half the things with players that didn't want to play because they weren't in the squad'. I remember reading something about Koc not being sure why he was at Charlton and Thuram refusing to travel but I wonder if any of these reactions came from the likes of Piotr or Nego. If so then that's a lot of players causing disharmony. Add to that the fact that a good few decent players have left on free transfers it's worrying to think of the kind of players we might get in. If RD is telling them they'll play and Peeters' directive is to play them we might have a tough time of it. Still, we'll have to wait and see what we bring in.2
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I have to admit i am the same. I was hoping it was all specualtion, but as others have said what reason would Dyer have to not tell the truth. he has confirmed what others have said and i am now a little more worried about the coming season. i still think we will see a different calibre of players coming in compared to last season purely because of comments from Meitre about "under estimating the championship". I still don't think RD will do anything that puts his investment at huge risk, but it does prove people were correct that he picks the players who come in. He is wrong to tell players who are coming in "you will play" because if you are not good enough you shouldn't play.CharltonByBlood said:After backing Roland all the way but now I am struggling to counter this piece from dyer
A big way to get fans on side now is to sign up Poyet and Morrison.0 -
Yes. But what has changed since?scabbyhorse said:Did they not already admit that the players they brought in were not good enough.
A manager that appears good enough. Gone.
A centre back that is good enough. Gone.
A goalkeeper clearly good enough. Gone.
Another centre back not signed up yet.
Player of the year not signed up yet.
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If they did, I have not seen it. Perhaps you have a link?scabbyhorse said:Did they not already admit that the players they brought in were not good enough.
All I have heard is that Katrien apparently conceded that selling YK was a mistake. That does not mean RD agreed with her
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I think mate you are missing the significance.Garrymanilow said:Not good reading that. But then I suppose it's not a great deal we didn't already know;
You're right, there is little new there that a lot of people didn't already know.
However, that was all based on private snippets rather than public statements. ADs comments are a 100% complete public endorsement that what some people were either saying was their take / or was what they was told, was not infact scaremongering or negativity, but what was actually occurring.
Of course, there will be some (like Scabby) that either have no problem with that, or will simply take the opposite stance to whatever is the popular view. But for many, its a huge concern in how the club they support is being run.
The Assistant Manager publicly speaking out and confirming that is big news.
In all my time following my club, i've never known anyone on the playing side of the club to come out and publicly speak in the press disparagingly about the way the club was being run.
In five months, both the most popular player and the Assistant Manager have done so.22 -
PragueAddick said:scabbyhorse said:
Did they not already admit that the players they brought in were not good enough.
If they did, I have not seen it. Perhaps you have a link?
All I have heard is that Katrien apparently conceded that selling YK was a mistake. That does not mean RD agreed with her
A quote from Dyer in the SLP article 'Then it was'you should be playing him,you should be playing him'.We said no.One,them boys aren't good enough.you lose face with your squad anyway if you do that-they won't trust you'
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