Ched Evans Court Case - Found guilty and sentenced to 5 years
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No, not wrong. You are getting so carried away with your fuming that your posts are no longer making sense.Braziliance said:
Wrong, I would argue that explaining the 'justice' system to someone can be seen as supporting a felon. Especially in this case. I don't think I want to go into that though. Judging by all the liking of eachothers posts I'd be in for a long night.Fiiish said:
Considering the only contestable part about the first paragraph was whether or not the Attorney General reads Charlton Life, I have to conclude that's exactly what he would argue.Algarveaddick said:
What - you mean the Attorney General does read Charlton life?Braziliance said:
I don't see why you're trying to come across clever. I'm basically saying the attitude of some people on here towards a rapist is worrying.Fiiish said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manBraziliance said:
If you think that he has done his time or you think people are out of order by getting on his back then you think rape is ok. How about you quote me instead. It's hardly overreacting.Uboat said:
No. No-one said rape is okay. Standard CL overreacting.O-Randy-Hunt said:
Have you just made that up or are there people that think rape is ok?Braziliance said:It's actually sickening that I sit near or may sit next to people who think rape is apparently ok. Rape is rape, it's disgusting and is never ok. I can only assume anyone who thinks that it's ok is a very lonely individual with no Woman in their life or Daughter or any female relations for that matter.
If Charlton ever brought on board a rapist I wouldn't show up to a game and I would expect the same from everyone else. Some peoples opinions are very worrying. Can only assume you're not right in the head.
I genuinely hate the 'second chance' chest nut, there are lines and he has crossed one.
Explaining how the justice & rehabilitation system works does not equate supporting the legalisation of certain criminal acts. If you thought the sentence was unduly lenient or that he shouldn't be eligible for early release, why didn't you contact the Attorney General, or is spouting complete nonsense on a football forum your preferred method of registering your disgust with the justice system. Because I'm pretty sure the Attorney General doesn't read Charlton Life.
I'm of the mind that I would not like to support a club that signed a convicted sex offender, and I am in no way endorsing that Evans should be allowed to return to professional football, but it is in the public's interest that those released from prison be allowed to live a normal life, subject to the conditions of their release (such as being on the sex offender's register). Rape is rape is rape - there's no differing degrees of it, and the judge passed a sentence that matched the circumstances and severity of the offence. Again, if you thought it was too lenient, take it up with the Attorney General. You might have missed the boat though.
I'm not gonna go too technical about it cause clearly there are some wrong uns on here and I can't change that, but I'd actually argue your first paragraph.1 -
Colthe3rd, I wonder if you would suffer from angst, if it happened to you tonight ?LenGlover said:
Revulsion at the act of forcing someone into sexual intercourse against his or her will transcends social class.colthe3rd said:Why do the lower classes have such angst against rapists?
One of the most bizarre comments, I've ever seen on CL & boy there have been some.1 -
I know I keep reading it and am absolutely furious. Or I've completely misunderstood what he meant.Covered End said:
Colthe3rd, I wonder if you would suffer from angst, if it happened to you tonight ?LenGlover said:
Revulsion at the act of forcing someone into sexual intercourse against his or her will transcends social class.colthe3rd said:Why do the lower classes have such angst against rapists?
One of the most bizarre comments, I've ever seen on CL & boy there have been some.
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Someone looking for a reaction and getting what they wanted. sad.Covered End said:
Colthe3rd, I wonder if you would suffer from angst, if it happened to you tonight ?LenGlover said:
Revulsion at the act of forcing someone into sexual intercourse against his or her will transcends social class.colthe3rd said:Why do the lower classes have such angst against rapists?
One of the most bizarre comments, I've ever seen on CL & boy there have been some.
People sometimes question why we are uncomfortable / would prefer not covering threads on certain topics. This thread I think shows that...
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I have chosen not to read every post on this topic as I have commented in the past on my up bringing, but one hypothetical question to those saying he should be allowed to continue his career as he's served his time.
"The lady concerned in the case was your, mother/sister/daughter/niece" would you be of the same opinion?0 -
Yes.T.C.E said:I have chosen not to read every post on this topic as I have commented in the past on my up bringing, but one hypothetical question to those saying he should be allowed to continue his career as he's served his time.
"The lady concerned in the case was your, mother/sister/daughter/niece" would you be of the same opinion?
I would think that the sentence was too lenient, I probably would like to cut off his wedding tackle, but yes. If you went about stopping every convicted felon from doing their job when they are released we would end up with thousands of unemployed that we all have to support. Unless you want the judicial system bogged down more than it already is with a list of what jobs people can go back to and ones they can't and what offences count for what you can do and what you can't?1 -
Hopefully he's taken himself on one of his self imposed exiles.AFKABartram said:
Someone looking for a reaction and getting what they wanted. sad.Covered End said:
Colthe3rd, I wonder if you would suffer from angst, if it happened to you tonight ?LenGlover said:
Revulsion at the act of forcing someone into sexual intercourse against his or her will transcends social class.colthe3rd said:Why do the lower classes have such angst against rapists?
One of the most bizarre comments, I've ever seen on CL & boy there have been some.
People sometimes question why we are uncomfortable / would prefer not covering threads on certain topics. This thread I think shows that...
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I struggle to understand what people get out of it though. I know most of the stuff I post on here is puerile rubbish (and possibly a bit near the mark) but never done to deliberately offend/upset people.AFKABartram said:
Someone looking for a reaction and getting what they wanted. sad.Covered End said:
Colthe3rd, I wonder if you would suffer from angst, if it happened to you tonight ?LenGlover said:
Revulsion at the act of forcing someone into sexual intercourse against his or her will transcends social class.colthe3rd said:Why do the lower classes have such angst against rapists?
One of the most bizarre comments, I've ever seen on CL & boy there have been some.
People sometimes question why we are uncomfortable / would prefer not covering threads on certain topics. This thread I think shows that...3 -
I really don't think that people are saying that Evans should have to rot on the dole for the rest of his life but people are outraged that he could possibly walk back into a cushy life as a professional footballer (reported today as possibly a £3 million contract). If he gets a job of some capacity then it is what it is but being in a position where young kids look up to you as a hero requires some responsibility to act in a certain, decent manner. Evans quite obviously didn't do that.
Imagine the scene, a ten year old lad asks his dad 'where's Ched been dad?'. 'Oh, he's been doing bird for rape son, but it's ok cos he knows how to score goals for us. He shags who he wants you know.' Far-fetched maybe but no doubt kids who idolised him will ask questions.
So fine, let him get a job wherever, but no way should a convicted rapist be allowed to set foot on a professional football pitch.6 -
Very eloquently put AuN. That is what I'm sure most of us think. Well I do anyway. Regardless of what class you are.0
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There's lower classes B and then there's just a lower class of person so I can be in the lower classes if that's what colthe3rd wishes to think, but when it comes to a lower class of person then the answer is in his/her answer
It was a nonsense thing to say and as afka put looking for a reaction that it received
Aun pal great post, but I do think people like Evans should be kept in flea pit infested accommodation and on the dole with no chance to earn any form of income other than to put enough food in their mouth to keep them alive
TCE
Bang on mate,
If it was any female member of my family I'd be glad a club was taking him on, as I'd know where to find him week in week out until it was time to get rid of him properly0 -
But surely we can't make the law that personal. If somebody punched my mum in the face I'd want them to die, that doesn't mean capital punishment is an appropriate sentence for ABH/GBH.T.C.E said:I have chosen not to read every post on this topic as I have commented in the past on my up bringing, but one hypothetical question to those saying he should be allowed to continue his career as he's served his time.
"The lady concerned in the case was your, mother/sister/daughter/niece" would you be of the same opinion?4 -
I wasn't looking for a reaction, it does genuinely baffle me. Like I said I'm not condoning rape by any means, it is a horrible thing and I genuinely feel sorry for anyone that it has happened to or anyone affected by it.AFKABartram said:
Someone looking for a reaction and getting what they wanted. sad.Covered End said:
Colthe3rd, I wonder if you would suffer from angst, if it happened to you tonight ?LenGlover said:
Revulsion at the act of forcing someone into sexual intercourse against his or her will transcends social class.colthe3rd said:Why do the lower classes have such angst against rapists?
One of the most bizarre comments, I've ever seen on CL & boy there have been some.
People sometimes question why we are uncomfortable / would prefer not covering threads on certain topics. This thread I think shows that...0 -
Do you know what baffles me Colin... You say The lower class get upset about rape whereas it appears the upper class seem to get off on it. What class are you?
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/12/18/uk-establishment-closes-ranks-as-organised-paedophile-network-leads-back-to-no-10/
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I don't have an issue with convicted felons leaving prisons and getting a second chance, but I don't see rapists in the same light as other felons.1
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Saying the upper class "seem to get off on rape" is as utterly ridiculous and offensive as the original comment.Curb_It said:Do you know what baffles me Colin... You say The lower class get upset about rape whereas it appears the upper class seem to get off on it. What class are you?
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/12/18/uk-establishment-closes-ranks-as-organised-paedophile-network-leads-back-to-no-10/
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Seriously though, you're talking about killing someone. Can't you see that that is a crime worse than rape?nth london addick said:There's lower classes B and then there's just a lower class of person so I can be in the lower classes if that's what colthe3rd wishes to think, but when it comes to a lower class of person then the answer is in his/her answer
It was a nonsense thing to say and as afka put looking for a reaction that it received
Aun pal great post, but I do think people like Evans should be kept in flea pit infested accommodation and on the dole with no chance to earn any form of income other than to put enough food in their mouth to keep them alive
TCE
Bang on mate,
If it was any female member of my family I'd be glad a club was taking him on, as I'd know where to find him week in week out until it was time to get rid of him properly3 -
Ridiculous and offensive? Really.... Do you really think I actually mean that? I was making a point as to how offensive Colin's statement was.se9addick said:
Saying the upper class "seem to get off on rape" is as utterly ridiculous and offensive as the original comment.Curb_It said:Do you know what baffles me Colin... You say The lower class get upset about rape whereas it appears the upper class seem to get off on it. What class are you?
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/12/18/uk-establishment-closes-ranks-as-organised-paedophile-network-leads-back-to-no-10/0 -
With respect Algarve, if his trade was barman and you knew his past, you would have employed him to work along side your family?Algarveaddick said:
Yes.T.C.E said:I have chosen not to read every post on this topic as I have commented in the past on my up bringing, but one hypothetical question to those saying he should be allowed to continue his career as he's served his time.
"The lady concerned in the case was your, mother/sister/daughter/niece" would you be of the same opinion?
I would think that the sentence was too lenient, I probably would like to cut off his wedding tackle, but yes. If you went about stopping every convicted felon from doing their job when they are released we would end up with thousands of unemployed that we all have to support. Unless you want the judicial system bogged down more than it already is with a list of what jobs people can go back to and ones they can't and what offences count for what you can do and what you can't?
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Would it be easier to create an exhaustive list of all the career options that would be acceptable to employ a sex offender in?
Here's a start - programme seller at Selhurst1 -
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No killing someone who raped a member of my family is nowhere near as bad, it's a satisfactory outcome to the removal of filth0
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if he bundled my sister in to the back of a car against her free will and raped her then i'd feel like i wanna kill him , if she went back to a hotel a bit pissed up and had some action with his mate and then he thought he'd have a go and she said no and he then raped her , i'd prolly still wanna kill him but not as much as the first example , i don't know if this makes any sense but i'm saying there's varying levels of anger
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Lets get this straight, hypothetically you go and kill someone who rapes your sister. Can you not understand how hypocritical that is?Uboat said:
Seriously though, you're talking about killing someone. Can't you see that that is a crime worse than rape?nth london addick said:There's lower classes B and then there's just a lower class of person so I can be in the lower classes if that's what colthe3rd wishes to think, but when it comes to a lower class of person then the answer is in his/her answer
It was a nonsense thing to say and as afka put looking for a reaction that it received
Aun pal great post, but I do think people like Evans should be kept in flea pit infested accommodation and on the dole with no chance to earn any form of income other than to put enough food in their mouth to keep them alive
TCE
Bang on mate,
If it was any female member of my family I'd be glad a club was taking him on, as I'd know where to find him week in week out until it was time to get rid of him properly
By that reasoning it would be OK for the family of the rapist to come back and murder you.1 -
All respect taken, and appreciated T.C.E. If he had done what Ooh-Aah describes in his first example, then no, I wouldn't. If had had done what we understand has happened in this case, and when I spoke to him, and made a personal judgement on the situation, and it was as I understand it now, then yes I would.T.C.E said:
With respect Algarve, if his trade was barman and you knew his past, you would have employed him to work along side your family?Algarveaddick said:
Yes.T.C.E said:I have chosen not to read every post on this topic as I have commented in the past on my up bringing, but one hypothetical question to those saying he should be allowed to continue his career as he's served his time.
"The lady concerned in the case was your, mother/sister/daughter/niece" would you be of the same opinion?
I would think that the sentence was too lenient, I probably would like to cut off his wedding tackle, but yes. If you went about stopping every convicted felon from doing their job when they are released we would end up with thousands of unemployed that we all have to support. Unless you want the judicial system bogged down more than it already is with a list of what jobs people can go back to and ones they can't and what offences count for what you can do and what you can't?0 -
Odd opinions on this thread.
Normally disagree when a thread is closed but I can see why they are when you see a thread like this.2 -
Gainful employment is different to going back to being a professional footballer. He could sweep the streets, work in industry or many other things.Fiiish said:Here's a quote from a charity that deals with rehabilitating criminals (source: BBC News)
"Nacro, the crime reduction charity, said gainful employment was critical in helping people put their criminal past behind them.
Graham Beech, director of strategic development at the charity, said: "It is the police, probation and other relevant agencies' responsibility to protect the public and it is the employer's responsibility to assess any risks that are involved in employing the individual. Both need to put appropriate safeguards in place.
"This includes the risk of harm to employees and the general public and any business and reputational risks to the employer no matter how high profile that job or that employment may be."
The first line seems to lean towards letting Evans have a second chance, but the final line indicates that SUFC have a responsibility to consider both their reputational damage as well as damaging their position in the community.
One thing though, if Evans is allowed back into club football, will that pave the way for a return to playing for Wales (provided he's good enough to be selected)? Or do we foresee Wales perhaps being more sober about the situation, and also as there is no money to be made from selecting Evans, there would only be foreseeable grief?
Imagine if this was a teacher or a social worker for example? They may return from prison and seek gainful employment but it won't be teaching or working for Social Services.
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So if he was convicted of rape for unlawfully having sex / taking advantage of a girl due to her being inebriated you would employ him in a bar? I would imagine that to be the worst place to employ someone who takes advantage of pissed women.Algarveaddick said:
All respect taken, and appreciated T.C.E. If he had done what Ooh-Aah describes in his first example, then no, I wouldn't. If had had done what we understand has happened in this case, and when I spoke to him, and made a personal judgement on the situation, and it was as I understand it now, then yes I would.T.C.E said:
With respect Algarve, if his trade was barman and you knew his past, you would have employed him to work along side your family?Algarveaddick said:
Yes.T.C.E said:I have chosen not to read every post on this topic as I have commented in the past on my up bringing, but one hypothetical question to those saying he should be allowed to continue his career as he's served his time.
"The lady concerned in the case was your, mother/sister/daughter/niece" would you be of the same opinion?
I would think that the sentence was too lenient, I probably would like to cut off his wedding tackle, but yes. If you went about stopping every convicted felon from doing their job when they are released we would end up with thousands of unemployed that we all have to support. Unless you want the judicial system bogged down more than it already is with a list of what jobs people can go back to and ones they can't and what offences count for what you can do and what you can't?
Whether you mean it or not it would be a shame to let an interesting debate deteriorate into something ridiculous about class. The first poster was clearly talking utter nonsense, I don't think I have seen a single poster agree with him. Beat to ignore what was either a misguided and ill informed post or simply just trouble making nonsense.Curb_It said:Do you know what baffles me Colin... You say The lower class get upset about rape whereas it appears the upper class seem to get off on it. What class are you?
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/12/18/uk-establishment-closes-ranks-as-organised-paedophile-network-leads-back-to-no-10/1 -
My name isn't Colin but thanks for that and I didn't say upset.Curb_It said:Do you know what baffles me Colin... You say The lower class get upset about rape whereas it appears the upper class seem to get off on it. What class are you?
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/12/18/uk-establishment-closes-ranks-as-organised-paedophile-network-leads-back-to-no-10/
NLA I wasn't referring to you in particular either.
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certainly read like you were0
