Super League Grand Final - Knock-out Punch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrPBnxacK2QSt Helens back Hohaia takes a swing at Wigan prop Flower, who demonstrates precisely why you don't pick a fight with a prop, knocking Hohaia unconscious with just two punches.
Flower was sent off whilst Hohaia's involvement in the game ended, although St Helens kept all 13 men. This happened in the 2nd minute of the first half so Wigan played nearly the entire game with a man down and ended up losing although they put up a decent fight. The punch was probably the highlight of the game with both sides making too many errors at this level of the game.
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Idiotic action that probably cost his side the title.0
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True, however , what they didnt show until later was the blatant whack on Hohaia by Flowers at the very beginning of this incident some 30 yards away from the full-on incident - so, Flowers got his just rewards for kicking it all off. Totally idiotic.Algarveaddick said:Idiotic action that probably cost his side the title.
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That second punch was a bit naughty.0
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He would probably have 'got away' with the first whack as retaliation/tit for tat is kind of agreed upon in both Rugby codes. However the second smack whilst the recipient was on the ground sparko was vicious as well as totally unprofessional, costing his team the title and of course lots of money.smudge7946 said:That second punch was a bit naughty.
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That's putting it mildly. The first one shows a lack of discipline, the second one is just shocking.smudge7946 said:That second punch was a bit naughty.
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Maybe, it's all a matter of 'interpretation' by the Video Refs.Lincsaddick said:
He would probably have 'got away' with the first whack as retaliation/tit for tat is kind of agreed upon in both Rugby codes. However the second smack whilst the recipient was on the ground sparko was vicious as well as totally unprofessional, costing his team the title and of course lots of money.smudge7946 said:That second punch was a bit naughty.
The Hohaia forearm was subtle enough (although out of order) but Flowers response was so obvious that he gave the refs no choice.
Ultimately he cost his team the game - punishment can't be any worse than that.1 -
Again, people are overlooking Flowers first misdemanour, which happened some 10 seconds before the flare-up, so, if its counted as tit-for-tat, it was 3-1 for Flower- so, on that basis, Flowers should/would have been sent-off for the 'first'(second) punch after the Hohaia forearm- and should get further punishment for the 'second'(third)0
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A cup final held at another sport's stadium with a player getting sent off in the second minute for punching a man unconscious?
Great sport that.1 -
The first punch was justified. Only a complete moron would pick a fight with a prop forward.
The second punch was cowardly and disgusting.0 -
Should get nicked for that5
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Hohaia handed 1 game ban......so not looking great for Flower.0
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All the do-gooders on radio phone ins, social media etc who bang on about how much Football is a thugs game compared to Rugby have gone very quiet....4
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Ian Wright made that exact point in the papers!cafctom said:All the do-gooders on radio phone ins, social media etc who bang on about how much Football is a thugs game compared to Rugby have gone very quiet....
Often hear of players in Rugby league getting 'reported' and banned after incidents.0 -
Think you'll find that's rugby union. Don't think anyone has ever tried to say league is for do-gooders, there were even active 'firms' following the bigger clubs.cafctom said:All the do-gooders on radio phone ins, social media etc who bang on about how much Football is a thugs game compared to Rugby have gone very quiet....
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6 month ban for Flower0
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Last night it said the old bill were looking into whether it was an assault. Feck me it doesn't take long to work out that it was!
Matin Offiah was on the telly too talking bollocks about how the police should keep out of it because "everything is different once you cross that white line". No, Martin an assault is an assault and a rugby pitch is not some kind of rarefied exempt and lawless place where you can get away with whatever.
No discipline. Like Suarez.0 -
Just a common thug
If you or I did that on our Sunday league games the old bill would be there in minutes!0 -
Rugby Union or Rugby League - its still Rugby, still the same elitist fans.Croydon said:
Think you'll find that's rugby union. Don't think anyone has ever tried to say league is for do-gooders, there were even active 'firms' following the bigger clubs.cafctom said:All the do-gooders on radio phone ins, social media etc who bang on about how much Football is a thugs game compared to Rugby have gone very quiet....
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Bit of a rubbish punch really, he glanced him with his pinkie knuckles. If it had been a proper connection it could have been very bad.1
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Yes, rugby players are all actually thugs because, unlike football players, they fight with opposition players, which football players never do.
Football players just fight referees, their own team, their managers, opposition managers, linesmen, ball-boys, pundits, opposition players, fans, but never opposition players.
For the record, no rugby fan insists that the players aren't prone to ill-discipline - punches and stamps aren't that rare. The difference is when a rugby player is hit, he doesn't roll around play-acting and screaming like a child. Likewise, when a rugby player is talking to the ref, he doesn't talk back, argue or swear. Of course there are exceptions but take a look at the difference betwen Premiership Football and Premiership Rugby when a ref chats to a player - it likes watching two completely different species.0 -
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And rarely do you get Football fans having to make constant digs at other sports like Rugby to try and get some sort of assurance or ego boosting.Fiiish said:Yes, rugby players are all actually thugs because, unlike football players, they fight with opposition players, which football players never do.
Football players just fight referees, their own team, their managers, opposition managers, linesmen, ball-boys, pundits, opposition players, fans, but never opposition players.
For the record, no rugby fan insists that the players aren't prone to ill-discipline - punches and stamps aren't that rare. The difference is when a rugby player is hit, he doesn't roll around play-acting and screaming like a child. Likewise, when a rugby player is talking to the ref, he doesn't talk back, argue or swear. Of course there are exceptions but take a look at the difference betwen Premiership Football and Premiership Rugby when a ref chats to a player - it likes watching two completely different species.
Think you'll find the talking back to referees, play acting dramas are typically associated with foreign players rather than exclusively 'Premiership players'. Footballers will do anything to win, sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly. Rugby players will do anything to make themselves look like such gentlemen before they go out later that night and try drinking someone's p!ss through a sock.3 -
Can't wait to speak to my wife's brother and his wife who are holier than thou rugger buggers who never miss a chance to talk down about football.cafctom said:All the do-gooders on radio phone ins, social media etc who bang on about how much Football is a thugs game compared to Rugby have gone very quiet....
Actually, scratch that, hope we don't have to see them for months.2 -
Equates to 13 gamesRedvalleyeast said:6 month ban for Flower
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Not true. You're completely right concerning union fans but the crowd at Twickenham next month will be very different to the crowd that was at Old Trafford last weekend.cafctom said:
Rugby Union or Rugby League - its still Rugby, still the same elitist fans.Croydon said:
Think you'll find that's rugby union. Don't think anyone has ever tried to say league is for do-gooders, there were even active 'firms' following the bigger clubs.cafctom said:All the do-gooders on radio phone ins, social media etc who bang on about how much Football is a thugs game compared to Rugby have gone very quiet....
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Turn it up!cafctom said:
Rugby Union or Rugby League - its still Rugby, still the same elitist fans.Croydon said:
Think you'll find that's rugby union. Don't think anyone has ever tried to say league is for do-gooders, there were even active 'firms' following the bigger clubs.cafctom said:All the do-gooders on radio phone ins, social media etc who bang on about how much Football is a thugs game compared to Rugby have gone very quiet....
League fans are basically your hard-core, flat-cap, pigeon-fancying northerners. Not too much elitist about them.
Union fans are a bit more mixed, in the south you get your Tarquin's and Timothy's but in other places - especially the West Country - it's quite working-class.0 -
You've made two digs at rugby in this thread alone so you're not exactly proving your theory that football fans don't make digs at other sports.cafctom said:
And rarely do you get Football fans having to make constant digs at other sports like Rugby to try and get some sort of assurance or ego boosting.Fiiish said:Yes, rugby players are all actually thugs because, unlike football players, they fight with opposition players, which football players never do.
Football players just fight referees, their own team, their managers, opposition managers, linesmen, ball-boys, pundits, opposition players, fans, but never opposition players.
For the record, no rugby fan insists that the players aren't prone to ill-discipline - punches and stamps aren't that rare. The difference is when a rugby player is hit, he doesn't roll around play-acting and screaming like a child. Likewise, when a rugby player is talking to the ref, he doesn't talk back, argue or swear. Of course there are exceptions but take a look at the difference betwen Premiership Football and Premiership Rugby when a ref chats to a player - it likes watching two completely different species.
Think you'll find the talking back to referees, play acting dramas are typically associated with foreign players rather than exclusively 'Premiership players'. Footballers will do anything to win, sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly. Rugby players will do anything to make themselves look like such gentlemen before they go out later that night and try drinking someone's p!ss through a sock.0 -
Rugby players don't play act, hmmm what about the bloodgate affair?0
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To think that the Police wasted the taxpayer's money by interviewing Bowyer and Dyer when they had their disagreement.
Do they do so every time there is a punch up on the rugby field or is it a different "white line" they cross?0 -
Another interesting point is that Flower's six month ban amounts to a maximum of 13 matches. So, for punching a man when he is unconscious, rugby league "awards" a ban just one match more than Suarez got for having a bite at another player.
One the above "crimes" is life threatening, the other isn't yet both sentences are, in essence, almost identical.
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He wouldn't have got 6 months if he had done this on the opening day in March0
