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UKIP win a seat
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Comparing Lenin, Stalin, the Russian revolution and the rise of the USSR to the British Communist Party is like comparing Real Madrid with Welling Utd.smudge7946 said:
I suggest that you study the history of Russia 1916-1989 abd Eastern Europe 1945-1989ShootersHillGuru said:
Dangerous extremists ! The British Communist Party. Lolsmudge7946 said:
Labour could have taken the lead in banning dangerous extremists. They have declined to do so.ShootersHillGuru said:
What's your point ?smudge7946 said:
Labour don't ban former communist party members from joining them. Peter Mandelson is an ex red shirt.ShootersHillGuru said:Farage has said that no ex member of the BNP will be allowed to join UKIP. Very smart.
It's a shame that people like chizz kept so quiet about this for so long.
Did you have similar concerns over Woolfie and the Tooting Popular Front ?
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ShootersHillGuru said:
Comparing Lenin, Stalin, the Russian revolution and the rise of the USSR to the British Communist Party is like comparing Real Madrid with Welling Utd.smudge7946 said:
I suggest that you study the history of Russia 1916-1989 abd Eastern Europe 1945-1989ShootersHillGuru said:
Dangerous extremists ! The British Communist Party. Lolsmudge7946 said:
Labour could have taken the lead in banning dangerous extremists. They have declined to do so.ShootersHillGuru said:
What's your point ?smudge7946 said:
Labour don't ban former communist party members from joining them. Peter Mandelson is an ex red shirt.ShootersHillGuru said:Farage has said that no ex member of the BNP will be allowed to join UKIP. Very smart.
It's a shame that people like chizz kept so quiet about this for so long.
Did you have similar concerns over Woolfie and the Tooting Popular Front ?
For years and years the British communist party(ies) were bankrolled by Stalin and his successors and the KGB ... how many people died in the Gulags due to the traitorous activities of (e.g.) Burgess, McLean, Blunt will never be known and what can never be truly calculated is the irreparable damage done to British industry by 'red robbo' and other militant so called trade unionists.
The thought of little twerps like these ever coming to power in the UK is a truly awful prospect.1 -
The Communist Party of Great Britain was to the right of the Labour Party consistently from about 1941 (when they were changing their minds every other week depending on what side Stalin was on) until they dissolved around the time Labour shifted substantially to the right under Blair and Mandelson. So, people are right when they suggest they were dangerous extremists bent on taking over the Labour Party and ... ditch any sort of connection to socialism. Love the idea that it was militant trade unionists that destroyed British industry and there was no role for competition from abroad, deliberate govt policies or the famously competent British management.
Personally I have no problem with people being ex-BNP if they really are. I've had mates in the past who had youthful flirtations with the NF or BNP. They got over it. The reason UKIP have to tread carefully here is that some of the ex-fascists attracted to them are not so ex. Hence the Britain First people in Rochester. Other parties don't have the same issues to face with organised racists and fascism, perhaps they should, but generally can isolate people who look difficult who join.
As someone who would be thought of as on the independent left, I don't think it is helpful to characterise UKIP supporters as being racist. Some may undoubtedly be so (as are supporters of other parties) but you end up with no discussion if you do not at least respect what motivates people.5 -
By the same argument, The BNP never wanted to invade Poland.ShootersHillGuru said:
Comparing Lenin, Stalin, the Russian revolution and the rise of the USSR to the British Communist Party is like comparing Real Madrid with Welling Utd.smudge7946 said:
I suggest that you study the history of Russia 1916-1989 abd Eastern Europe 1945-1989ShootersHillGuru said:
Dangerous extremists ! The British Communist Party. Lolsmudge7946 said:
Labour could have taken the lead in banning dangerous extremists. They have declined to do so.ShootersHillGuru said:
What's your point ?smudge7946 said:
Labour don't ban former communist party members from joining them. Peter Mandelson is an ex red shirt.ShootersHillGuru said:Farage has said that no ex member of the BNP will be allowed to join UKIP. Very smart.
It's a shame that people like chizz kept so quiet about this for so long.
Did you have similar concerns over Woolfie and the Tooting Popular Front ?
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Another seat for UKIP. The top 3 need to raise their game and when you promise to do something do it. We are all fed up with your lies hence this morning's result2
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Lib Dems got 350 votes, relegated from the top three on that return.0
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Only half the people voted though0
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There's not a single one of the these parties I'd vote for right now. Self serving pigs the lot of them.3
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Less than that vote in general elections so it's actually a more representative result than a general election.Yorkshireaddick said:Only half the people voted though
Emily Thornberry showing exactly what Labour thinks of the working classes. Shame.
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Incorrect.Big_Bad_World said:
Less than that vote in general elections so it's actually a more representative result than a general election.Yorkshireaddick said:Only half the people voted though
Emily Thornberry showing exactly what Labour thinks of the working classes. Shame.
2010 General Election had 65% turnout - up 4% from 2005 - and the highest turnout since 1997.0 -
Locals interviewed on TV as to why they voted UKIP.
" Because there's too many of em over ere" and " We need to send em all ome".
Interviewer " So you think UKIP will send them all home?"
"Yep cos they said they will".
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They've just voted the same bloke back in with a different coloured rosette - nothing will change down there, they'll realise and he'll be gone again before you know it.5
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I will refer back to this post in a year or so when it happens.
At the moment UKIP have a real chance of getting a fair few seats (Sky bet are not even offering to take bets on the 5 or more that I put on.... They will win probably 5 to 12 seats, and that is where they will have difficulties.
Farage as a personality seems to alienate a lot of people close to him as he constantly wants to be in the limelight (I can somewhat understand this given the insanity of some of his members) and eventually with this many high profile characters in UKIP, there will be a big falling out and they will implode on themselves.
That's my prediction.
And another thing, it is things like that woman tweeting a picture of a mans van and St.George's flags and negatively stereotyping him that drives people to UKIP. It's like the 3 main parties don't want to compete.0 -
So, more than a third didn't vote? Void the results retrospectively.Ormiston Addick said:
Incorrect.Big_Bad_World said:
Less than that vote in general elections so it's actually a more representative result than a general election.Yorkshireaddick said:Only half the people voted though
Emily Thornberry showing exactly what Labour thinks of the working classes. Shame.
2010 General Election had 65% turnout - up 4% from 2005 - and the highest turnout since 1997.
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Labour politicians asked why they lost:masicat said:Locals interviewed on TV as to why they voted UKIP.
" Because there's too many of em over ere" and " We need to send em all ome".
Interviewer " So you think UKIP will send them all home?"
"Yep cos they said they will".
*nothing to say but will tweet a picture of a house with an England flag and a white van outside*
Discrimination at its finest I'd say.
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For years and years the British communist party(ies) were bankrolled by Stalin and his successors and the KGB ... how many people died in the Gulags due to the traitorous activities of (e.g.) Burgess, McLean, Blunt will never be known and what can never be truly calculated is the irreparable damage done to British industry by 'red robbo' and other militant so called trade unionists.
The thought of little twerps like these ever coming to power in the UK is a truly awful prospect.
How very dare you! Take that back!0 -
No prizes for guessing that the Labour politician concerned is a typical, upper class, toff socialist - even represents Islington. You couldn't make it up.Big_Bad_World said:
Labour politicians asked why they lost:masicat said:Locals interviewed on TV as to why they voted UKIP.
" Because there's too many of em over ere" and " We need to send em all ome".
Interviewer " So you think UKIP will send them all home?"
"Yep cos they said they will".
*nothing to say but will tweet a picture of a house with an England flag and a white van outside*
Discrimination at its finest I'd say.
Does Labour have ANY politicians, at all, who aren't a walking disaster zone?0 -
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What a stupid thing to say. He's been the MP there for four years now and voted in twice. The good people of Rochester and Strood obviously have some faith in the man.WSS said:They've just voted the same bloke back in with a different coloured rosette - nothing will change down there, they'll realise and he'll be gone again before you know it.
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Well done UKIP.2
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What a great night for UKIP. Not only the expected by-election win but the resignation of a bigoted Labour MP too. I don't know who's got the bloodiest nose, labour, the Tories or the out of touch Lib Dems.0
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Sod them all I hate politics right now. I'd love to see a black, female, disabled, working class priminister just once just too prove we don't have a nation of bigots.0
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I had to look at the tweeted pic for a while before I realised what it was meant to be.
What a crass and stupid thing to do. Not only is it insulting and bigoted but she's taken some of the pressure off the tories.
The Cons are about to lose a seat that they said they would "throw the kitchen sink" and expected to win. So she gifts the tory press another story on the night of the election. At least she stepped down but what an idiot.
Back to UKIP. Taking labour and Lib Dem votes but Conservative seats.
Will be interesting to see which other MPs resign now. Reckless was the sitting MP and so always had a good chance to hold his seat. How many will be thinking whether to go now or wait for the general election.1 -
Excellent result.
UKIP has its faults but it has given a well deserved kicking to those smug, patronising gits in the traditional main three parties who need reminding that they are supposed to represent the ordinary people of this country rather than follow their own agendas formulated in their own political bubble regardless of public opinion.
I very much hope this (and Clacton) provide the catalyst for a movement to engage ordinary people in politics and remove smug complacency and condescension as epitomised by so many dressed in blue, red and orange rosettes.
A so called minority party has now won two seats under first past the post despite having the opposition of the political mainstream and media thrown at it.
Long may it continue.12 -
Bob Neill in Bromley had a 600 majority in 2006 - squeaky bum time coming up !0
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Whitevanst.georgeflaggate in Rochester just shows Labours real issue. The elitist, intellectual hierarchy in today's Labour Party are simply out of touch with what should be their core voters. Real working class people just cannot find anything to relate to when it comes to Milliband, Balls and this stupid woman from a £3m town house in Islington.4
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There are more Labour party members living in Hampstead than Sunderland. I think that tells you all you need to know about the Labour party these days.0
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That tweet just reinforced how Labour views it's 'traditional' support. The party has made itself into a middle class vanity project that barely pays lip service to its roots. The country needs a strong party of the left but the sanctimonious shower we have at the moment are contemptible.Henry Irving said:I had to look at the tweeted pic for a while before I realised what it was meant to be.
What a crass and stupid thing to do. Not only is it insulting and bigoted but she's taken some of the pressure off the tories.
The Cons are about to lose a seat that they said they would "throw the kitchen sink" and expected to win. So she gifts the tory press another story on the night of the election. At least she stepped down but what an idiot.
Back to UKIP. Taking labour and Lib Dem votes but Conservative seats.
Will be interesting to see which other MPs resign now. Reckless was the sitting MP and so always had a good chance to hold his seat. How many will be thinking whether to go now or wait for the general election.7
