Man City in Europe
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Or can be kept simple... Manchester City need to beat Roma whilst CSKA cant do more than draw @ Bayern Munich0
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If Man City draw and CSKA lose, why would Man City not go through?ForeverAddickted said:Or can be kept simple... Manchester City need to beat Roma whilst CSKA cant do more than draw @ Bayern Munich
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Hmmm I see your point... Seems as though the Champions League isnt based on Goal Difference but I wonder if thats partly to try and stop teams being ultra defensive when they go away from home0
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You're right, results in the mini-league count first in the event that two or more teams are tied on points.
That mini-league could include Man City and CSKA, in which case CSKA would qualify because they took four points from the games between the two sides,
OR Man City, CSKA and Roma, in which case Roma would qualify, on GD, mainly because they beat CSKA 5-1 in Rome,
OR, finally, Man City and Roma.
It's in the latter case that the scenarios are a bit more complex. First, if Man City draw in Rome they can only qualify if Bayern beat CSKA in Munich. If CSKA win they'd qualify, while if the game in Munich were a draw we'd have a three-way tie and Roma would progress.
Second, only a scoring draw would enable Man City to progress. A 0-0 would see Roma go through on away goals in the head to head, with Man City winning on away goals if the score were 2-2 (or more). If the game in Rome is drawn 1-1 then Man City and Roma will be separated on the basis of overall GD with City then qualifying. Roma's 7-1 battering at home to Bayern being the crucial result in that scenario.
Of course, if Man City win in Rome they'll qualify unless CSKA achieve the same result in Munich.
Aguero's winner last night was crucial. Without it they'd have needed a win in Rome and might stil have failed to qualify. They'll now believe, and hope, that a scoring draw in Rome will take them through. If they don't get that, or better, I can't see they have any cause for complaint.
The head to head system seems fair to me. The fact that it seemed to confuse the often irritating Alan Green last night was something of a bonus I felt!!2 -
I think you should get Alan Green's job. You explained it all with great clarity. It all makes sense now. It just looks strange seeing Man City bottom of the table with the superior goal difference even though ITV showed Man City in second place last night.Mundell Fleming said:You're right, results in the mini-league count first in the event that two or more teams are tied on points.
That mini-league could include Man City and CSKA, in which case CSKA would qualify because they took four points from the games between the two sides,
OR Man City, CSKA and Roma, in which case Roma would qualify, on GD, mainly because they beat CSKA 5-1 in Rome,
OR, finally, Man City and Roma.
It's in the latter case that the scenarios are a bit more complex. First, if Man City draw in Rome they can only qualify if Bayern beat CSKA in Munich. If CSKA win they'd qualify, while if the game in Munich were a draw we'd have a three-way tie and Roma would progress.
Second, only a scoring draw would enable Man City to progress. A 0-0 would see Roma go through on away goals in the head to head, with Man City winning on away goals if the score were 2-2 (or more). If the game in Rome is drawn 1-1 then Man City and Roma will be separated on the basis of overall GD with City then qualifying. Roma's 7-1 battering at home to Bayern being the crucial result in that scenario.
Of course, if Man City win in Rome they'll qualify unless CSKA achieve the same result in Munich.
Aguero's winner last night was crucial. Without it they'd have needed a win in Rome and might stil have failed to qualify. They'll now believe, and hope, that a scoring draw in Rome will take them through. If they don't get that, or better, I can't see they have any cause for complaint.
The head to head system seems fair to me. The fact that it seemed to confuse the often irritating Alan Green last night was something of a bonus I felt!!0 -
It'll take Man City years to crack Europe. I think Man Utd got back into the CL in the 93/94 season, didn't win it until 98/99. Chelsea have been in it since the early 2000s and only won it in 2012. Liverpool were a bit of an anomaly for their triumph in 2005, but they'd been regular participants for a while.
City will get through now I think, but I can't see them threatening.
As for Arsenal. The cannon fodder of the tournament. Pathetic that Wenger's legacy is the lame, 17 straight seasons they qualify for the group stage.
Rochdale used to be the longest serving club in league 2 until a while back. You don't hear the people of Spotland saying they've done 30 odd consecutive years in league 2.0 -
there is a good table in The Sun that shows all the permutations.
If someone more savvy than me can put the picture up.0 -
I understand that about winning it but I am sure United and Chelsea at least managed to get out the group.cabbles said:It'll take Man City years to crack Europe. I think Man Utd got back into the CL in the 93/94 season, didn't win it until 98/99. Chelsea have been in it since the early 2000s and only won it in 2012. Liverpool were a bit of an anomaly for their triumph in 2005, but they'd been regular participants for a while.
I also heard if City fail to get out the group this year they will be seeded 3rd next season0 -
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tried to scan the permutation table - but my IT skills not that good.0
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I just think we (English teams) are so ill equipped at that level. Chelsea are the only team I would bet against the best of the CLpaulie8290 said:
I understand that about winning it but I am sure United and Chelsea at least managed to get out the group.cabbles said:It'll take Man City years to crack Europe. I think Man Utd got back into the CL in the 93/94 season, didn't win it until 98/99. Chelsea have been in it since the early 2000s and only won it in 2012. Liverpool were a bit of an anomaly for their triumph in 2005, but they'd been regular participants for a while.
I also heard if City fail to get out the group this year they will be seeded 3rd next season0 -
What is really English about either of the clubs mentioned though (geography apart of course)? I am sure the same can be said about the other participants from Europe but looking at the CL from a purely nationalistic viewpoint is pretty pointless IMO. But then I spent my youth screaming for Liverpool, Villa and even Aberdeen to win a European Cup competition on telly, even though I really had no allegiance to any of them. I cannot invest in this competition at all, it is all pretty irrelevant to me which team "buys" it this year.0
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City will go through, it will be fixed for the good old reason of money. Wouldn't surprise me if the Bayern match was fixed too.0
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The game showed that Bayern, like Barcelona perhaps, is not nearly so strong a side as in recent years. Also, what a little genius Aguero is .. those damned Argies !! ((:>) .. (sorry to any of you offended by the potentially non pc remark about certain South Americans)0
