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http://m.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/11608680.UPDATE___I_will_clear_my_name____Dorset_County_Council_leader_steps_aside_after_police_charges/?ref=mrcharlton_hero said:
You're incredibly deluded if you think the other parties don't have their fair share of nutters. As I said before, UKIP are under heavy scrutiny, the other parties are not.micks1950 said:
Put what words in what mouths (presumably yours).....?Big_Bad_World said:
Errrrrr, no. Nick Robinson's opinion is that of his own. The fact that he is a Tory just adds some bias towards his reporting. All journalists that have political leanings will be influenced to a certain degree by that political stance.micks1950 said:
I'm pleased to hear your opinion on 'media bias'.Big_Bad_World said:
You couldn't be any further from the truth. I can't stand media bias and their witch hunts regardless of which political party is on the receiving end.micks1950 said:
It must be comforting to believe that anything you don't agree with (or don't want to hear) is part of some sort of 'agenda'.Big_Bad_World said:
Yep, because the BBC hasn't got an agenda where UKIP are concerned, have they?micks1950 said:Worth a read to understand what's been going on with UKIP's candidate selections......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30476383
Nick Robinson is no 'leftie'....
That kind of scuppers your assumption. Sorry about that.
Nick Robinson is a Tory so it's in his and the Tory parties best interests to try and muddy the UKIP waters as much as possible.
I was aware that Robinson was a tory (probably with a small 't' - i.e. not an active party member).
But now you suggest that Robinson's reporting is part of a Tory 'agenda' rather a BBC 'agenda' as you first posted (or are they both part of some grand conspiracy)......?
Robinson would not have reported as he did without good evidence that the 'leaking', 'counter-leaking' and sexual harassment allegations that have emerged in the past couple of weeks around UKIP candidate selections were coming from different factions within UKIP........
I love it when people put words in the mouths of others as it highlights their inability to draw any conclusion other than the one they want to draw.
Re the sexual harassment case, the woman in question has since been shown up to be a compulsive liar that was slightly besotted with the weird looking UKIP'er.
Carry on.
I posted Nick Robinson's report (without any comment of my own) as I thought it might help in understanding the strange spate of candidate withdrawals, resignations, leaks, counter-leaks and accusations of impropriety that have emerged from UKIP in the last couple of weeks.
You posted in response first:
“Yep, because the BBC hasn't got an agenda where UKIP are concerned, have they?”
and then later
“Nick Robinson is a Tory so it's in his and the Tory parties best interests to try and muddy the UKIP waters as much as possible”
You claim to be some sort of 'seeker after truth' who “can't stand media bias and their witch hunts regardless of which political party is on the receiving end”, yet you seem particularly desperate to dismiss Robinson's entirely plausible account of these strange goings on (which as I said he would not have reported without good evidence that it was all coming from different factions within UKIP fighting over candidate selections).
Are you sure you're quite as independent minded as you claim.....?
Here are some recent examples, how many did you hear of?
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/wfnews/11217704.Gun_offence_Tory_to_be_sentenced_today/
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/flintshire-councillor-banned-bullying-disqualification-7127671
http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/11216830.Kingston_councillor_charged_with_benefit_fraud_will_face_polls_before_court/
http://www.middevongazette.co.uk/Fraudster-councillor-Tiverton-forced-committees/story-21101893-detail/story.html
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/five-middlesbrough-councillors-resign-labour-7080454
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-liberal-councillor-steve-radford-7122909
Here's another one for you but I'm not so sure your strategy of posting links to reports of scandals involving other parties is doing a lot of furthering to your theory that scandals involving other parties don't get reported.7 -
It's a sad day for labour. The UKIPs scandal over a private phone call would have been the perfect opportunity for ed milliband to talk about press intrusion.0
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Plausible: an argument or statement seeming reasonable or probable.Big_Bad_World said:
You put up Nick Robinsons "entirely plausible account of these strange goings on" and even commented in your original post that it was "Worth a read to understand what's been going on with UKIP's candidate selections......", thus agreeing with the content. It doesn't mention that Natasha Bolter was sending Roger Bird texts that go against her version of events. I wonder why he's left that bit out? You decide.micks1950 said:
Put what words in what mouths (presumably yours).....?Big_Bad_World said:
Errrrrr, no. Nick Robinson's opinion is that of his own. The fact that he is a Tory just adds some bias towards his reporting. All journalists that have political leanings will be influenced to a certain degree by that political stance.micks1950 said:
I'm pleased to hear your opinion on 'media bias'.Big_Bad_World said:
You couldn't be any further from the truth. I can't stand media bias and their witch hunts regardless of which political party is on the receiving end.micks1950 said:
It must be comforting to believe that anything you don't agree with (or don't want to hear) is part of some sort of 'agenda'.Big_Bad_World said:
Yep, because the BBC hasn't got an agenda where UKIP are concerned, have they?micks1950 said:Worth a read to understand what's been going on with UKIP's candidate selections......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30476383
Nick Robinson is no 'leftie'....
That kind of scuppers your assumption. Sorry about that.
Nick Robinson is a Tory so it's in his and the Tory parties best interests to try and muddy the UKIP waters as much as possible.
I was aware that Robinson was a tory (probably with a small 't' - i.e. not an active party member).
But now you suggest that Robinson's reporting is part of a Tory 'agenda' rather a BBC 'agenda' as you first posted (or are they both part of some grand conspiracy)......?
Robinson would not have reported as he did without good evidence that the 'leaking', 'counter-leaking' and sexual harassment allegations that have emerged in the past couple of weeks around UKIP candidate selections were coming from different factions within UKIP........
I love it when people put words in the mouths of others as it highlights their inability to draw any conclusion other than the one they want to draw.
Re the sexual harassment case, the woman in question has since been shown up to be a compulsive liar that was slightly besotted with the weird looking UKIP'er.
Carry on.
I posted Nick Robinson's report (without any comment of my own) as I thought it might help in understanding the strange spate of candidate withdrawals, resignations, leaks, counter-leaks and accusations of impropriety that have emerged from UKIP in the last couple of weeks.
You posted in response first:
“Yep, because the BBC hasn't got an agenda where UKIP are concerned, have they?”
and then later
“Nick Robinson is a Tory so it's in his and the Tory parties best interests to try and muddy the UKIP waters as much as possible”
You claim to be some sort of 'seeker after truth' who “can't stand media bias and their witch hunts regardless of which political party is on the receiving end”, yet you seem particularly desperate to dismiss Robinson's entirely plausible account of these strange goings on (which as I said he would not have reported without good evidence that it was all coming from different factions within UKIP fighting over candidate selections).
Are you sure you're quite as independent minded as you claim.....?
I'm extremely independent and proud of the fact. It means I can, I'd like to think, comment on most things without being prejudiced by the press or any affiliation to a political party. You're free to disagree with me. That's your right.
How do you know that Robinson 'wouldn't' report on anything that didn't have good evidence? Anything goes pre-election, and that goes for politically motivated journalists.
If you think otherwise then, again, that's right to do so. I just believe it to be somewhat naive.
You miss the point about Robinson's article when you say “It doesn't mention that Natasha Bolter was sending Roger Bird texts that go against her version of events. I wonder why he's left that bit out? You decide”. He is suggesting that all UKIP's recent kerfuffles – including 'Bolter/Bird-gate' - are related to inner party faction fights over candidate selections.
However, what he does say about it is that “The suspended UKIP general secretary Roger Bird was noticed to have been pushing candidate Natasha Bolter for every winnable seat including, you guessed it, South Basildon and East Thurrock”; which could be seen as supporting Bird's claim that he had a "consensual relationship" with her (or at least was very keen to do so?).
Robinson is the BBC's chief political correspondent (whether or not he's also a Tory). His stock in trade is reporting 'sources close to' or 'usually reliable sources' within political parties. It's not 'naïve' to believe that he would not have reported what he did without good evidence, whereas suggesting, as you appear to, that he's made it all up because he's a “politically motivated journalist” seems somewhat prejudiced or even paranoid.
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Not under heavy scrutiny, that was my point. I didn't say they don't get reported.Bournemouth Addick said:
http://m.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/11608680.UPDATE___I_will_clear_my_name____Dorset_County_Council_leader_steps_aside_after_police_charges/?ref=mrcharlton_hero said:
You're incredibly deluded if you think the other parties don't have their fair share of nutters. As I said before, UKIP are under heavy scrutiny, the other parties are not.micks1950 said:
Put what words in what mouths (presumably yours).....?Big_Bad_World said:
Errrrrr, no. Nick Robinson's opinion is that of his own. The fact that he is a Tory just adds some bias towards his reporting. All journalists that have political leanings will be influenced to a certain degree by that political stance.micks1950 said:
I'm pleased to hear your opinion on 'media bias'.Big_Bad_World said:
You couldn't be any further from the truth. I can't stand media bias and their witch hunts regardless of which political party is on the receiving end.micks1950 said:
It must be comforting to believe that anything you don't agree with (or don't want to hear) is part of some sort of 'agenda'.Big_Bad_World said:
Yep, because the BBC hasn't got an agenda where UKIP are concerned, have they?micks1950 said:Worth a read to understand what's been going on with UKIP's candidate selections......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30476383
Nick Robinson is no 'leftie'....
That kind of scuppers your assumption. Sorry about that.
Nick Robinson is a Tory so it's in his and the Tory parties best interests to try and muddy the UKIP waters as much as possible.
I was aware that Robinson was a tory (probably with a small 't' - i.e. not an active party member).
But now you suggest that Robinson's reporting is part of a Tory 'agenda' rather a BBC 'agenda' as you first posted (or are they both part of some grand conspiracy)......?
Robinson would not have reported as he did without good evidence that the 'leaking', 'counter-leaking' and sexual harassment allegations that have emerged in the past couple of weeks around UKIP candidate selections were coming from different factions within UKIP........
I love it when people put words in the mouths of others as it highlights their inability to draw any conclusion other than the one they want to draw.
Re the sexual harassment case, the woman in question has since been shown up to be a compulsive liar that was slightly besotted with the weird looking UKIP'er.
Carry on.
I posted Nick Robinson's report (without any comment of my own) as I thought it might help in understanding the strange spate of candidate withdrawals, resignations, leaks, counter-leaks and accusations of impropriety that have emerged from UKIP in the last couple of weeks.
You posted in response first:
“Yep, because the BBC hasn't got an agenda where UKIP are concerned, have they?”
and then later
“Nick Robinson is a Tory so it's in his and the Tory parties best interests to try and muddy the UKIP waters as much as possible”
You claim to be some sort of 'seeker after truth' who “can't stand media bias and their witch hunts regardless of which political party is on the receiving end”, yet you seem particularly desperate to dismiss Robinson's entirely plausible account of these strange goings on (which as I said he would not have reported without good evidence that it was all coming from different factions within UKIP fighting over candidate selections).
Are you sure you're quite as independent minded as you claim.....?
Here are some recent examples, how many did you hear of?
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/wfnews/11217704.Gun_offence_Tory_to_be_sentenced_today/
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/flintshire-councillor-banned-bullying-disqualification-7127671
http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/kingstonnews/11216830.Kingston_councillor_charged_with_benefit_fraud_will_face_polls_before_court/
http://www.middevongazette.co.uk/Fraudster-councillor-Tiverton-forced-committees/story-21101893-detail/story.html
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/five-middlesbrough-councillors-resign-labour-7080454
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-liberal-councillor-steve-radford-7122909
Here's another one for you but I'm not so sure your strategy of posting links to reports of scandals involving other parties is doing a lot of furthering to your theory that scandals involving other parties don't get reported.0 -
Still none the wiser as to who recorded the dudes phone call or why. How do we even know it's true?0
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One of the better screen caps I've seen for a while...
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The Telegraph think they know:Bryan_Kynsie said:Still none the wiser as to who recorded the dudes phone call or why. How do we even know it's true?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11294322/Christine-Hamilton-warned-beware-the-spy-in-camp-ahead-of-Kerry-Smith-resignation.html
As to whether it's true or not I don't think he would have resigned and issued a "wholehearted and unreserved apology" if it wasn't....?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30473388
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Kent Police have just announced that 16.2% of arrests in Kent are committed by foreign nationals - 50% of whom are from Eastern European countries.
On the same day that Labour want to 'move the conversation' away from immigration.
Yet those with their fingers in their ears still want to just slag off Farage and attempt to ridicule their voters by either calling them racist or morons.
And all the while May 2015 is getting nearer and nearer.7 -
1 in 7 crimes is reportedly committed by a foreigner .. so Kent's statistic is just above the averageAddickted said:Kent Police have just announced that 16.2% of arrests in Kent are committed by foreign nationals - 50% of whom are from Eastern European countries.
On the same day that Labour want to 'move the conversation' away from immigration.
Yet those with their fingers in their ears still want to just slag off Farage and attempt to ridicule their voters by either calling them racist or morons.
And all the while May 2015 is getting nearer and nearer.0 -
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I found a stat indicating that foreigners make up around 7% of Kent's population. Make of that what you will.Lincsaddick said:
1 in 7 crimes is reportedly committed by a foreigner .. so Kent's statistic is just above the averageAddickted said:Kent Police have just announced that 16.2% of arrests in Kent are committed by foreign nationals - 50% of whom are from Eastern European countries.
On the same day that Labour want to 'move the conversation' away from immigration.
Yet those with their fingers in their ears still want to just slag off Farage and attempt to ridicule their voters by either calling them racist or morons.
And all the while May 2015 is getting nearer and nearer.0 -
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/sittingbourne/news/crime-league-10928/
I have checked and the most recent figures published are for 2013 - Interestingly enough theses were made public as a result of a Freedom of Information request made by a UKIP councillor.
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I think I've got my math right.Fiiish said:
I found a stat indicating that foreigners make up around 7% of Kent's population. Make of that what you will.Lincsaddick said:
1 in 7 crimes is reportedly committed by a foreigner .. so Kent's statistic is just above the averageAddickted said:Kent Police have just announced that 16.2% of arrests in Kent are committed by foreign nationals - 50% of whom are from Eastern European countries.
On the same day that Labour want to 'move the conversation' away from immigration.
Yet those with their fingers in their ears still want to just slag off Farage and attempt to ridicule their voters by either calling them racist or morons.
And all the while May 2015 is getting nearer and nearer.
1 out of 7 crimes = 15% of the crimes,
Committed by 7% of the population.0 -
1 in 7 is a nationwide figure, roughly 14.25% of the crime overall figure .. Kent's figure, as written above, is just a tad higher than the national average .. bear in mind that Folkestone and Dover, two major entry points to the UK are in the county, could this be a reason for the above average crime figure ?smudge7946 said:
I think I've got my math right.Fiiish said:
I found a stat indicating that foreigners make up around 7% of Kent's population. Make of that what you will.Lincsaddick said:
1 in 7 crimes is reportedly committed by a foreigner .. so Kent's statistic is just above the averageAddickted said:Kent Police have just announced that 16.2% of arrests in Kent are committed by foreign nationals - 50% of whom are from Eastern European countries.
On the same day that Labour want to 'move the conversation' away from immigration.
Yet those with their fingers in their ears still want to just slag off Farage and attempt to ridicule their voters by either calling them racist or morons.
And all the while May 2015 is getting nearer and nearer.
1 out of 7 crimes = 15% of the crimes,
Committed by 7% of the population.0 -
So are you suggesting that Eastern Europeans can't even wait for the ramp to lower on the ferry before they start theiving?4
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You need to check further.IAgree said:http://www.kentonline.co.uk/sittingbourne/news/crime-league-10928/
I have checked and the most recent figures published are for 2013 - Interestingly enough theses were made public as a result of a Freedom of Information request made by a UKIP councillor.
Try listening to Radio Kent's breakfast show tomorrow morning.
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Anyone watch Steph & Dom & Nigel or whatever it was called on C4?0
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Yes. Weird programme. Just showed them drinking, drinking and drinking.Callumcafc said:Anyone watch Steph & Dom & Nigel or whatever it was called on C4?
I quite enjoyed it, but it was strange.0 -
Have you got a link for this?Addickted said:Kent Police have just announced that 16.2% of arrests in Kent are committed by foreign nationals - 50% of whom are from Eastern European countries.
On the same day that Labour want to 'move the conversation' away from immigration.
Yet those with their fingers in their ears still want to just slag off Farage and attempt to ridicule their voters by either calling them racist or morons.
And all the while May 2015 is getting nearer and nearer.0 -
It was on BBC South East News last night (from 4.00)colthe3rd said:
Have you got a link for this?Addickted said:Kent Police have just announced that 16.2% of arrests in Kent are committed by foreign nationals - 50% of whom are from Eastern European countries.
On the same day that Labour want to 'move the conversation' away from immigration.
Yet those with their fingers in their ears still want to just slag off Farage and attempt to ridicule their voters by either calling them racist or morons.
And all the while May 2015 is getting nearer and nearer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04v0zv3/south-east-today-15122014
Funny, but I can't seem to see it on the BBS website.
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Cheers. Interesting what the lady from Kent uni said at the end. I keep warning people about merely looking at a headline figure. It would be interesting to see a full breakdown of these findings.0
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Sort of relevant to this thread, but this is one of the best descriptive pieces on the Medway towns I've ever read.
may2015.com/featured/medway-the-biggest-place-youve-never-heard-of-is-ukips-new-base/0 -
Lots of eastern Europe's finest inhabit Kent and Medway in particular. Luton is now almost exclusively a corner of eastern Europe and has flown downhill because of it.
The positives I have seen are I can get my car cleaned to a standard better than an automated car wash for the same price. And the ethnic foods aisle in local supermarkets is a bit more diverse.
Some of the negatives are...
Appalling overcrowding and behaviour in schools by parents and children of these newbies.
Awful waiting lists for anything on the NHS. And this can be seen when you are sat in the waiting area for a 10 am appointment you have turned up on time for to be seen at 12 having watched a procession of Albanians stroll in and be seen having turned up late before you.
Child sex racketeering
An escalation in crime and some of the most brutal crimes committed even by Medways standards.
Scrap metal dealers round this way have always done their thing and not caused a nuisance. Now their slavic brethren have moved in, anything is game. If they see a metal bolt on your garden gate it's theirs. If they like the roof rack on your car it will be removed by foul means. This behaviour extends to your bins. The dirty bastards will tear open your black sacks quicker than an urban fox hunting out a poorly wrapped KFC. Except they are after anything that should have been shredded and will make more mess than the foxes.
I know UKIP may not be the answer but I just wish someone would do something about it and not call me a racist for being fucked off with my hometown being destroyed. Yes it has its own problems so why take on more?
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Why was that flagged?0
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Ok seems very offensive0
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Let me answer for him. No it's not true.2
