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**Luzon Confirmed Charlton Head Coach - Deal to 2016 - Praise the Lord, Work Permit GRANTED (pg 24)*

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  • mogodon
    mogodon Posts: 3,438
    Of course we will keep supporting the club but it is impossible to believe anything Roland Duchatelet or any of his lackies say any more. I am not even sure they can tell the truth from their own lies. I have got behind both the appointments since Powell was fired but not this time. I am now genuinely worried over the short-term future under this owner let alone the medium-term.
  • Grapevine49
    Grapevine49 Posts: 1,000
    The bottom line ladies and gentlemen is the man is here to do a job. He has conducted a media interview in what is probably his 3rd language. I suggest the majority of the people on this message board would have a problem conducting the same interview in their first.

    The manner of his recruitment, appointment & introduction barely 12hrs into the job are all valid matters for debate. In reality they have precious little do with him. This guilt by association thing is really being overplayed.

    I have absolutely no idea of his capabilities to do the job he has been brought in to do. That he has had some measure of success and failure elsewhere is what it is. For all those wishing to focus on the latter there is the maxim people learn more from their failures than their successes.

    He is pursuing a career as a football coach and been offered an opportunity to contribute to our club.

    I am not overly concerned about his popularity with supporters, the media or even the playing staff as long he enables the players to perform to the best of their ability in delivering a decent measure of the success in terms of results. Within the terms of reference I suspect he is working to it will be no easy task.

    He may or may not have the skill set to deliver a successful team. We are about to find out. I wish him well in his endeavours.
  • boggzy
    boggzy Posts: 3,638
    Bloodyhell, Grapevine49 - were you dying for a piss or something? ;-)
  • Paddy7
    Paddy7 Posts: 1,663
    Managers change in different circumstances, but the selection of a new man should surely bring with it at least the promise of a new dawn; a sense of hope and ambition, yet I'm left with the feeling that little has really changed. Luzon will have my support because he's now leading CAFC - I was going to use the term "managing" but that's where things start to feel wrong.

    Clearly the team needs an injection of quality. Will the new man be allowed to juggle his limited resources and use his knowledge and contacts to attract players he feels will significantly improve his squad? I doubt it - instead he's likely to be offered more heads from within the owner's network, and, like his predecessors from RD's little harem of coaches, told to get blood out of a stone within six months.

    I've tried to be patient and give RD's plans a chance - he doesn't appear to be fleecing us financially for short-term gain, and has made the much-trumpeted structural changes. I'm not storming off in a sulk or tearing up my season ticket, just as I don't boo and slam my seat up every time a result doesn't quite match my hopes. But it definitely leaves me feeling more detached from my club when we're left with a revolving door of "head coaches" who'll have little chance to leave any legacy, and who are rendered almost irrelevant figureheads for a distant dispassionate owner.

    I used to laugh at clubs run like this. Now I support one.
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  • Paddy7
    Paddy7 Posts: 1,663
    I'd question that Colin. As stated, I'm still prepared to see how RD's project develops but each hurried change of manager goes down as a debit for now. Let's support the new man for now and see where it takes us.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,390
    colin1961 said:

    Not done Watford any harm

    Because they appoint managers from outside the network, that manager is also allowed a say on transfers, they also sign players from outside their network. Oh, and the manager is allowed to pick the team as well.
  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    Is there a Fans Forum tonight ?

    Who is attending from the club ?

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  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,268
    I hope that is Cathartic for you Killersbeard,and can really empathize as i have said on another thread
    the only time it didn't feel we were being shafted was the Alwen/Murray(the earlier years).

    So even thou it's not good at the moment,we have had it worse.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,990
    Killer's Beard ...... thanks for putting your thoughts into writing.

    Like you, I've come to realise that there's nothing new under the sun - and in one form or other, we've seen it all before following Charlton.

    People may stamp their feet, shout and throw their toys out of the pram; perhaps some would rather go shopping with their missus on a Saturday afternoon - but maybe the best way forward at the moment is just to wait and see what happens next?


  • Paddy7
    Paddy7 Posts: 1,663
    Good balanced piece Killer. Silly for anyone to pretend that everything's rosy, and yet it really could be a lot worse had we been sold to someone looking purely for short term gain. Looking at the 40 years I've been on board, we probably sit somewhere close to our realistic place in the football hierarchy; it just feels worse after the halcyon top flight years. And what made those years extra special was the feeling that it was a CLUB, with everyone pulling in the same direction, even during the numerous Premiership defeats.

    Each generation of fans will miss things from their early years, when a lack of cynicism made it all so enjoyable, but as long as results on the pitch see us to an entertaining top half finish I don't feel too many realists would complain. Nevertheless, a little more sense of inclusion from Belgium might just go a long way towards recapturing the hearts of those who still support the club.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,307
    Someone just posted this on the FB group. If you look at this and the one above they have Saturday's score line on the big screen. Were these photos taken after Saturday's game?????

  • cabbles said:

    Someone just posted this on the FB group. If you look at this and the one above they have Saturday's score line on the big screen. Were these photos taken after Saturday's game?????

    LOL oh dear
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,307

    cabbles said:

    Someone just posted this on the FB group. If you look at this and the one above they have Saturday's score line on the big screen. Were these photos taken after Saturday's game?????

    LOL oh dear
    The plot thickens. Poirot is being jetted in to investigate
  • A bit like telling the missus you've gone out to play some 5 a side with the lads and being tagged in a photo from a nightclub the next day..
  • Missed It
    Missed It Posts: 2,736
    Quality!!!
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    cabbles said:

    Someone just posted this on the FB group. If you look at this and the one above they have Saturday's score line on the big screen. Were these photos taken after Saturday's game?????

    Erm, I want to believe that they turned on as many sources of lighting available on whichever day it was for the photo, and the Brighton score simply hadn't been deleted.

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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,390
    cabbles said:

    Someone just posted this on the FB group. If you look at this and the one above they have Saturday's score line on the big screen. Were these photos taken after Saturday's game?????

    Wow. I feel like Guy Luzon will pop in the conspiracy theories thread soon. I wonder.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Great post Killers Beard, don't agree with it all, but empathise with it nonetheless.

    One common theme behind everything that ebbs and flows in the wider debate is actually bums on seats. It may not be apparent in every thread, but one is never more than a couple of steps away from the question about attending matches.

    Of course I may be wrong about that, maybe the income from ticket sales is so marginal that crowd numbers are no biggie to owners. Football could continue at an empty Valley if funded some other way.

    Which brings me to why people go at all. The answer is of course pretty varied and complex, but my problem at the moment with the current owners is they don't seem to want to engage with the question, or not in any depth. Perhaps it doesn't matter.

    However I believe that if every part of Charlton Athletic wanted to find the answer to what gets people to turn up, and then acted upon it, the result would be unifying and not divisive.

    At the moment it is not so much about whether I want to be there, but whether Charlton Athletic want me there.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,390
    Maybe Katrien got all 20 interview attendees to pose with scarfy on Saturday night? Just in case they got the job.
  • Ben18
    Ben18 Posts: 1,639
    Much loved Scarfy has been replaced by a network scarf
  • CafcWest
    CafcWest Posts: 6,236
    cabbles said:

    Someone just posted this on the FB group. If you look at this and the one above they have Saturday's score line on the big screen. Were these photos taken after Saturday's game?????

    Hard to tell - but could be a Photoshopped picture. Bit too light to be late Saturday afternoon/evening.

  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,307
    cafc-west said:

    cabbles said:

    Someone just posted this on the FB group. If you look at this and the one above they have Saturday's score line on the big screen. Were these photos taken after Saturday's game?????

    Hard to tell - but could be a Photoshopped picture. Bit too light to be late Saturday afternoon/evening.

    :smile: I'm pretty sure it was taken on Wednesday. Reckon they just hadn't taken down the score board for some reason.

  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 8,016
    cabbles said:

    cafc-west said:

    cabbles said:

    Someone just posted this on the FB group. If you look at this and the one above they have Saturday's score line on the big screen. Were these photos taken after Saturday's game?????

    Hard to tell - but could be a Photoshopped picture. Bit too light to be late Saturday afternoon/evening.

    :smile: I'm pretty sure it was taken on Wednesday. Reckon they just hadn't taken down the score board for some reason.

    Think you're right. Shame, that would have been a hilarious twist to the plot!
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,307
    MrLargo said:

    cabbles said:

    cafc-west said:

    cabbles said:

    Someone just posted this on the FB group. If you look at this and the one above they have Saturday's score line on the big screen. Were these photos taken after Saturday's game?????

    Hard to tell - but could be a Photoshopped picture. Bit too light to be late Saturday afternoon/evening.

    :smile: I'm pretty sure it was taken on Wednesday. Reckon they just hadn't taken down the score board for some reason.

    Think you're right. Shame, that would have been a hilarious twist to the plot!
    It did make me chuckle. They've really done some damage re: lying about how Luzon has been appointed IMO. Should've just said that they didn't think Peeters was right for the job, we have the contact with Luzon re: his time at SL, this is what we've decided.

  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    edited January 2015
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  • cabbles said:

    cafc-west said:

    cabbles said:

    Someone just posted this on the FB group. If you look at this and the one above they have Saturday's score line on the big screen. Were these photos taken after Saturday's game?????

    Hard to tell - but could be a Photoshopped picture. Bit too light to be late Saturday afternoon/evening.

    :smile: I'm pretty sure it was taken on Wednesday. Reckon they just hadn't taken down the score board for some reason.

    I read somewhere that they leave it on all the time, as apparently the supplier went bust and they can't get spare parts, and turning it on and off causes more stress on it. Something like that.