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  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,496
    edited March 2015
    soapy_jones said:




    I know, thank God it has knocked Syria and that blasted IS organisation off of the headlines, how boring that was. Have the Society of Black Lawyers anything been informed?

    Well it's knocked Clarkson off the headlines at any rate. I agree, ridiculous. The idea that the leader of a major political party saying that employers should be allowed to discriminate on grounds of race two months before the election isn't newsworthy at all. Quick, someone call the society of racist employers.

  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,362
    Jints said:



    soapy_jones said:




    I know, thank God it has knocked Syria and that blasted IS organisation off of the headlines, how boring that was. Have the Society of Black Lawyers anything been informed?

    Well it's knocked Clarkson off the headlines at any rate. I agree, ridiculous. The idea that the leader of a major political party saying that employers should be allowed to discriminate on grounds of race two months before the election isn't newsworthy at all. Quick, someone call the society of racist employers.

    I would doubt that they would be allowed to exist Jints...
  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,496
    They would under UKIP it seems.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,362
    edited March 2015
    Jints said:

    They would under UKIP it seems.

    Really? have you a link to their manifesto, that's disgraceful? Is that on the BBC site?
  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,496
    The report I read about Farage saying that employers should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of race is from the Telegraph. He's since back tracked saying that he only thinks employers should be able to discriminate against immigrants.

    UKIP doesn't have a manifesto yet (nor do any of the other parties).
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    Jints said:

    The report I read about Farage saying that employers should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of race is from the Telegraph. He's since back tracked saying that he only thinks employers should be able to discriminate against immigrants.

    UKIP doesn't have a manifesto yet (nor do any of the other parties).

    I was under the impression he would allow employers to pick the person they wanted to pick, no matter their race.
  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,496
    He said he wants to get rid of the Race Relation Act 1976 which prohibits employers (and others) from discriminating against candidates on the basis of race. So, for example, a company could lawfully advertise that only whites (or blacks for that matter) need apply.
  • E_cafc
    E_cafc Posts: 2,617
    edited March 2015
    There already are jobs advertised on that basis. Been going on for years.
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    What is Channel 4's obession with UKIP? If any of the broadcasters allowed transmission of a documentary that predicted a collapse in society and a dystopia if Labour or the Lib Dems won power, there would definitely be serious trouble with Ofcom. Yet UKIP is fair game. I completely disagree with UKIP's policies but the partisan, wall-to-wall coverage we've seen on every negative aspect of UKIP from both C4 and the BBC without a similar level of coverage of the same kind for the other parties is simply not in the best interests of democracy. Let UKIP make idiots of themselves by themselves, they seem to do a good enough job of it.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,578
    Jints said:

    He said he wants to get rid of the Race Relation Act 1976 which prohibits employers (and others) from discriminating against candidates on the basis of race. So, for example, a company could lawfully advertise that only whites (or blacks for that matter) need apply.

    E-cafc said:

    There already are jobs advertised on that basis. Been going on for years.

    In the UK? Examples please.

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  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,496
    I agree with you on that terrible mockumentary, which as propaganda goes had only the merit of being utterly ludicrous though it was balanced by the syncophantic program with him and the gogglebox couple. Not really sure that C4 can be blamed for interviewing Farage (amongst others such as Blair) in a documentary .
  • E_cafc
    E_cafc Posts: 2,617
    Kap10 said:

    Jints said:

    He said he wants to get rid of the Race Relation Act 1976 which prohibits employers (and others) from discriminating against candidates on the basis of race. So, for example, a company could lawfully advertise that only whites (or blacks for that matter) need apply.

    E-cafc said:

    There already are jobs advertised on that basis. Been going on for years.

    In the UK? Examples please.
    http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Exeter-City-Council-acknowledge-mistake-ethnic/story-21311555-detail/story.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1258818/Racism-storm-38-000-Indians-job-ad.html

    http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-City-Council-accused-racist-advert-management-trainee-job-vacancy/story-11290611-detail/story.html

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/163012/Firms-face-legal-action-over-jobs-only-for-Polish

    Here are just a few. I haven't got time to trawl the internet looking for more but I am certain I would find plenty more especially those from local authorities and other public sector departments who have been advertising jobs for ethnic minorities only for years. Greenwich council were well known for it. Don't know what they are like now because I haven't read any of their rags for years. All in the name of equality I might add!
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,749
    Kap10 said:

    Jints said:

    He said he wants to get rid of the Race Relation Act 1976 which prohibits employers (and others) from discriminating against candidates on the basis of race. So, for example, a company could lawfully advertise that only whites (or blacks for that matter) need apply.

    E-cafc said:

    There already are jobs advertised on that basis. Been going on for years.

    In the UK? Examples please.
    Othello required....competitive rates paid.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    E-cafc said:

    Kap10 said:

    Jints said:

    He said he wants to get rid of the Race Relation Act 1976 which prohibits employers (and others) from discriminating against candidates on the basis of race. So, for example, a company could lawfully advertise that only whites (or blacks for that matter) need apply.

    E-cafc said:

    There already are jobs advertised on that basis. Been going on for years.

    In the UK? Examples please.
    http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Exeter-City-Council-acknowledge-mistake-ethnic/story-21311555-detail/story.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1258818/Racism-storm-38-000-Indians-job-ad.html

    http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-City-Council-accused-racist-advert-management-trainee-job-vacancy/story-11290611-detail/story.html

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/163012/Firms-face-legal-action-over-jobs-only-for-Polish

    Here are just a few. I haven't got time to trawl the internet looking for more but I am certain I would find plenty more especially those from local authorities and other public sector departments who have been advertising jobs for ethnic minorities only for years. Greenwich council were well known for it. Don't know what they are like now because I haven't read any of their rags for years. All in the name of equality I might add!
    But it seems in those stories the ads are taken down and the companies who placed them were under investigation. Not really sure what the point is here.
  • E_cafc
    E_cafc Posts: 2,617
    Surely the point is that they placed the ads. They were only taken down when they got rumbled and people complained about it because it's blatantly racist. The point is that these people had the gall to assume that placing ads like those was acceptable when it isn't. If there were ads that said "Whites only", would you get the point then?
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,578
    colthe3rd said:

    E-cafc said:

    Kap10 said:

    Jints said:

    He said he wants to get rid of the Race Relation Act 1976 which prohibits employers (and others) from discriminating against candidates on the basis of race. So, for example, a company could lawfully advertise that only whites (or blacks for that matter) need apply.

    E-cafc said:

    There already are jobs advertised on that basis. Been going on for years.

    In the UK? Examples please.
    http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Exeter-City-Council-acknowledge-mistake-ethnic/story-21311555-detail/story.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1258818/Racism-storm-38-000-Indians-job-ad.html

    http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-City-Council-accused-racist-advert-management-trainee-job-vacancy/story-11290611-detail/story.html

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/163012/Firms-face-legal-action-over-jobs-only-for-Polish

    Here are just a few. I haven't got time to trawl the internet looking for more but I am certain I would find plenty more especially those from local authorities and other public sector departments who have been advertising jobs for ethnic minorities only for years. Greenwich council were well known for it. Don't know what they are like now because I haven't read any of their rags for years. All in the name of equality I might add!
    But it seems in those stories the ads are taken down and the companies who placed them were under investigation. Not really sure what the point is here.
    I was just surprised that they were legally allowed to get away with it if they existd, obviously they did exist. There legality is questionable.
  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,496
    Four adverts over five years all getting lots of press coverage, doesn't tell me that the law is being breached on a regular basis.

    There are some genuine exemptions where it is legal to advertise for a particular ethnic minority (e.g. for acting and certain social worker jobs).
  • E_cafc
    E_cafc Posts: 2,617
    There are a lot more than 4 adverts such as this. This has been going on since the beginning of political correctness and there would have been thousands of ads like those.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    E-cafc said:

    Surely the point is that they placed the ads. They were only taken down when they got rumbled and people complained about it because it's blatantly racist. The point is that these people had the gall to assume that placing ads like those was acceptable when it isn't. If there were ads that said "Whites only", would you get the point then?

    Sorry I don't think I understood your post. I thought you were saying that these sort of ads are placed therefore Farage is right to want to abolish certain discrimination laws.
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,438
    E-cafc said:

    There are a lot more than 4 adverts such as this. This has been going on since the beginning of political correctness and there would have been thousands of ads like those.

    Ah, the old "there's loads more of this shit knocking about... I just can't find any actual examples of it" argument.

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  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,410
    Gordon Brown said in 2008 " (I want) British jobs for British workers".
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,798
    Surely under current law, whether they were placed or not is irrelevant. The issue is if this law was abolished, they wouldn't be breaking any sort of law.

    Bizarre.
  • E_cafc
    E_cafc Posts: 2,617
    edited March 2015
    Leroy Ambrose said:

    E-cafc said:

    There are a lot more than 4 adverts such as this. This has been going on since the beginning of political correctness and there would have been thousands of ads like those.

    Ah, the old "there's loads more of this shit knocking about... I just can't find any actual examples of it" argument.
    Who said there aren't any more examples? I found those during a 10 second search. If you want to find more, why don't you look for yourself?

  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    E-cafc said:

    Leroy Ambrose said:

    E-cafc said:

    There are a lot more than 4 adverts such as this. This has been going on since the beginning of political correctness and there would have been thousands of ads like those.

    Ah, the old "there's loads more of this shit knocking about... I just can't find any actual examples of it" argument.
    Who said there aren't any more examples? I found those during a 10 second search. If you want to find more, why don't you look for yourself?

    I like this fallacy he's employed. If you found 50 examples to support your argument, he would argue that he needed 51 examples in order to consider your argument valid.
  • E_cafc
    E_cafc Posts: 2,617
    Exactly, am glad you noticed that lol
  • sadiejane1981
    sadiejane1981 Posts: 9,012
    Nigel Farage makes my skin crawl, the sooner this UKIP phase has passed the better. I really don't understand how so many intelligent and well educated people fall for his whole "I'm not a racist" routine.
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,438
    E-cafc said:

    Exactly, am glad you noticed that lol

    Because, of course - You'd noticed that yourself. You just needed a grown-up to articulate a response for you.


  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,438
    edited March 2015
    Fiiish said:

    E-cafc said:

    Leroy Ambrose said:

    E-cafc said:

    There are a lot more than 4 adverts such as this. This has been going on since the beginning of political correctness and there would have been thousands of ads like those.

    Ah, the old "there's loads more of this shit knocking about... I just can't find any actual examples of it" argument.
    Who said there aren't any more examples? I found those during a 10 second search. If you want to find more, why don't you look for yourself?

    I like this fallacy he's employed. If you found 50 examples to support your argument, he would argue that he needed 51 examples in order to consider your argument valid.
    Specious at best. Firstly, I suspect his 'argument' is, in fact, bollocks. I no more need him to 'prove' it than he needs to 'prove' it to me himself. If there were, in fact, thousands of discriminatory job ads being placed every month, the agenda-biased press would have a field day with them. The Daily Fail wouldn't have room on its website for all the articles on Kim Kardashian's arse implants or hand wringing about Romanian immigrants for all the space these job ad stories would take up.

    Secondly, even if I guess that there are, say for arguments' sake, 5000 jobs advertised annually that somehow breach discrimination law - that probably makes up about 0.0001‰ of jobs annually advertised. Hardly a serious issue is it?

    Just another nasty example of Farage playing to the prejudices of the little England.

    The real travesty here is that slime like him have always prospered when representation of the working class is abandoned. Until there is a party that represents the interests of working people, rather than business, Nige and his ilk will continue to have a platform. Thankfully, most people in this country are intelligent enough to know a charlatan when they see one, so I suspect the fact he's surrounded himself with a selection of candidates that have the intelligence, charisma and public speaking skills of polyfilla will result in far less electoral impact than is predicted.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Has he joined the Greens then?
  • smudge7946
    smudge7946 Posts: 4,131
    When he said British jobs for British people, it was meant as a promise, NOT a threat!

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