UKIP win a seat

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Fiiish said:

E-cafc said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

E-cafc said:

There are a lot more than 4 adverts such as this. This has been going on since the beginning of political correctness and there would have been thousands of ads like those.

Ah, the old "there's loads more of this shit knocking about... I just can't find any actual examples of it" argument.

Who said there aren't any more examples? I found those during a 10 second search. If you want to find more, why don't you look for yourself?

I like this fallacy he's employed. If you found 50 examples to support your argument, he would argue that he needed 51 examples in order to consider your argument valid.

Specious at best. Firstly, I suspect his 'argument' is, in fact, bollocks. I no more need him to 'prove' it than he needs to 'prove' it to me himself. If there were, in fact, thousands of discriminatory job ads being placed every month, the agenda-biased press would have a field day with them. The Daily Fail wouldn't have room on its website for all the articles on Kim Kardashian's arse implants or hand wringing about Romanian immigrants for all the space these job ad stories would take up.

Secondly, even if I guess that there are, say for arguments' sake, 5000 jobs advertised annually that somehow breach discrimination law - that probably makes up about 0.0001‰ of jobs annually advertised. Hardly a serious issue is it?

Just another nasty example of Farage playing to the prejudices of the little England.

The real travesty here is that slime like him have always prospered when representation of the working class is abandoned. Until there is a party that represents the interests of working people, rather than business, Nige and his ilk will continue to have a platform. Thankfully, most people in this country are intelligent enough to know a charlatan when they see one, so I suspect the fact he's surrounded himself with a selection of candidates that have the intelligence, charisma and public speaking skills of polyfilla will result in far less electoral impact than is predicted.



Some great posts. As I said before on here, I was unfortunate enough to be at a dinner party with senior Ukippers. I must admit I didn't know Blair and Brown were gay lovers, that was a revelation to me. The EU was also about to steal our pensions, and race riots were going to blight our country. In fact, senior Ukipper David Lott moved to France to get away from the housing crash he said would happen here. Unfortunately, it happened in France and he limped back much worse off and never recovered. I would miss them when their gone, they have provided a real laugh and will continue to do so.

Forget the politicians' personas for a moment:

Brown promised British Jobs for British workers (fail)
Cameron promised net immigration in the "tens of thousands" (fail)

Net immigration in 2014 was +190,000 from EU countries and +110,000 from the rest.

Where are these people going to live?
What is the impact on school capacity, the welfare system, and the NHS ?
Shall we build on green belt/farmland - and/or reduce our farming output?
How will we cope with the next water shortage ?
How many more car wash staff or leaflet distributors does the UK need ?
What is the impact on the transport system / car pollution

This is the real issue = HEADCOUNT, not race/religion/ethnicity and it's gets clouded by debates about how many UKIP racists it takes to change a light bulb.

Quite simply - there is not enough room in UK for the current population trend to continue, so which party is going to address it and how ?

E-cafc said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

E-cafc said:

Exactly, am glad you noticed that lol

Because, of course - You'd noticed that yourself. You just needed a grown-up to articulate a response for you.

What's your problem? You can't argue the point so you become a knob and try to belittle someone to try and save face. Ahhh poor you, did someone post something you don't agree with on the forum?

Someone asked for some real examples and they were posted. If you don't like real evidence and facts then don't read it. The idea of a debate of an issue is to actually contribute something to that debate. What have you contributed exactly? Don't just post a load of shit and try to be funny when the reality is you have nothing to say whatsoever on this subject!

I have some limited experience of dealing with marketing departments in the media with regard to whether advertisements they ran were legal. They make mistakes, sure , because the law is complex. But they do double check content for potential breaches of the various bits of legislation, are well aware of the likely consequences of getting it wrong and will decline to run adverts that they believe MAY be in breach of the basic "legal, decent, honest and truthful" principle.
Consequently I doubt there will be (m)any examples from mainstream media. It is no surprise to me that the examples provided above were not. Although I'm surprised that Councils got it wrong.

Farage says the NHS almost killed him. I am with him on this one almost is just not good enough.

I think the man (Farage) speaks sense, I also think the vast majority agree with a lot of what he says!.........what cant you agree with??..........or understand??......and yes I will be voting for him!

sadiejane1981 said:

charliewright1 said:

I think the man (Farage) speaks sense, I also think the vast majority agree with a lot of what he says!.........what cant you agree with??..........or understand??......and yes I will be voting for him!

Because he is a racist, arrogant, slimey wannabe.

Hahaha and the others don't have as equally bad traits? Give me him over a Blair any day.

Valiantphil said:

This is the real issue = HEADCOUNT, not race/religion/ethnicity and it's gets clouded by debates about how many UKIP racists it takes to change a light bulb.

Quite simply - there is not enough room in UK for the current population trend to continue, so which party is going to address it and how ?

Nope, the real issue is demographic distribution. The baby boomer generation started retiring about 9 years ago, and given the increase in life expectancy and drop in the birth-rate to those born in the UK, without immigration we're going to suffer major skills shortages as well as have to massively increase the taxes levied on the dwindling working population in order to fund their pensions, their social care and their healthcare. Unfortunately, the chances of any politicians putting in place policies that'll do the long-term restructuring needed to deal with these demographic changes are small, cos they're likely to be unpopular.

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

I've stayed out of this because it's frankly a ridiculous debate. You can't discuss the idiocy of UKIP without appearing as if you're a knuckle-dragging racist troglodyte or a liberal rice cakes and nettle tea idealist because the whole raison d'etre of Nige and his muppetshow is border control (it's in the fucking name for God's sake!). This makes any discussion about the party inevitably one about racism.

However, anyone who really thinks that Farage has had his words 'twisted' over private health care is either wilfully ignorant, hopelessly trusting of the man or pigshit thick.

Farage's paymasters are about 50 miles to the right of the Tories FFS. Even accounting for any rose-tinted glasses anyone may be wearing about him, can anyone with a functioning shwede seriously think UKIP wouldn't privatise the NHS if he were somehow elected?

My wife is a nurse and sorry, Leroy, if you think the NHS isn't being slowly privatised under this current administration you are living with your head under the blankets. Honestly.

I think you have missed the point F82M. UKIP would privatise in a blink of an eye, the current administration are doing it by stealth.

seth plum said:

There is a UKIP elected member of the European Parliament Janice Atkinson who is prepared to describe, on camera, Oriental people as 'ting tongs'. This racist term is not used by a volunteer, or a party helper, but by somebody high up in their structure.
I believe that by associsting with UKIP, people are giving credence to such a racist attitude, and as somebody married to an Oriental person, with a mixed race son, I find UKIP to be threatening, and I feel only a couple of steps away from regarding UKIP and their supporters as my enemy, and yes, it is personal.

I'm with you 100%

Valiantphil said:

aliwibble said:

Valiantphil said:

This is the real issue = HEADCOUNT, not race/religion/ethnicity and it's gets clouded by debates about how many UKIP racists it takes to change a light bulb.

Quite simply - there is not enough room in UK for the current population trend to continue, so which party is going to address it and how ?

Nope, the real issue is demographic distribution. The baby boomer generation started retiring about 9 years ago, and given the increase in life expectancy and drop in the birth-rate to those born in the UK, without immigration we're going to suffer major skills shortages as well as have to massively increase the taxes levied on the dwindling working population in order to fund their pensions, their social care and their healthcare. Unfortunately, the chances of any politicians putting in place policies that'll do the long-term restructuring needed to deal with these demographic changes are small, cos they're likely to be unpopular.

Skills shortages in what sectors?

Not sure those that are coming are bringing any specific skill that we need - but it could well be the case.

If we needed 300,000 people to come in 2014 due to skill shortages then we are in big trouble already.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30417950

SELR_addicks said:

Valiantphil said:

aliwibble said:

Valiantphil said:

This is the real issue = HEADCOUNT, not race/religion/ethnicity and it's gets clouded by debates about how many UKIP racists it takes to change a light bulb.

Quite simply - there is not enough room in UK for the current population trend to continue, so which party is going to address it and how ?

Nope, the real issue is demographic distribution. The baby boomer generation started retiring about 9 years ago, and given the increase in life expectancy and drop in the birth-rate to those born in the UK, without immigration we're going to suffer major skills shortages as well as have to massively increase the taxes levied on the dwindling working population in order to fund their pensions, their social care and their healthcare. Unfortunately, the chances of any politicians putting in place policies that'll do the long-term restructuring needed to deal with these demographic changes are small, cos they're likely to be unpopular.

Skills shortages in what sectors?

Not sure those that are coming are bringing any specific skill that we need - but it could well be the case.

If we needed 300,000 people to come in 2014 due to skill shortages then we are in big trouble already.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30417950

It says there are 12000 NHS consultants who are not British - out of 42000 in total.

Net migration to the UK in 2014 was +300,000.

Callumcafc said:

I don't want to vote for any of them.

I'm with you Callum. They are all lying, cheating bastards that are in it for themselves and how anyone can put an ounce of trust in any of them I do not know.

I've always thought of UKIP as a racist party. They just never used to get as much coverage because they're slightly less insane than the BNP.