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If you pick and choose your players of course you can pick players who are better than others. Henderson is better than Thuram etc... I could go on.Scoham said:
Do we have to have players with Championship experience? JBG and Bulot were far better than Eagles. Igor and Watt were better than Church and other strikers we've had in the past. Buyens one of the better CMs in recent years.Valley11 said:We really are pinning our hopes on untried Championship players. Please sign a couple of players with experience of the league.
I agree with Valley11 in some respect that we do need a couple, reason being; you cannot guarantee these guys will stick. Makienok, he may be physical enough for the league but who's to say he'll be definitely be able to create anything? It's all untested, if you put all your eggs into one basket and that basket isn't what you hoped it would be, you have your first foot into a relegation scrap, as it'd be a uphill struggle trying to re-shape from there. Handful of core injuries and we're near experience-less.
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Well exactly. We need good players that fit together as a team. I want to see players of the right quality that are suited to this league, nationality or career history is less important.Atletico Addick said:
If you pick and choose your players of course you can pick players who are better than others. Henderson is better than Thuram etc... I could go on.Scoham said:
Do we have to have players with Championship experience? JBG and Bulot were far better than Eagles. Igor and Watt were better than Church and other strikers we've had in the past. Buyens one of the better CMs in recent years.Valley11 said:We really are pinning our hopes on untried Championship players. Please sign a couple of players with experience of the league.
I agree with Valley11 in some respect that we do need a couple, reason being; you cannot guarantee these guys will stick. Makienok, he may be physical enough for the league but who's to say he'll be definitely be able to create anything? It's all untested, if you put all your eggs into one basket and that basket isn't what you hoped it would be, you have your first foot into a relegation scrap, as it'd be a uphill struggle trying to re-shape from there. Handful of core injuries and we're near experience-less.
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Of course I'd like a base of English/British players, but that comes from our academy, players already here and some of the signings.1 -
Has this been resolved ?c4fcdenmark said:Looks like he can hurt his wife.
http://www.football-italia.net/64972/genoa-defender-bergdich-arrested0 -
Found this Italian article with google translate in link.
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/genoa/2015/articoli/1063073/genoa-bergdich-picchia-la-moglie-denunciato-160-.shtml
Seems to suggest that he was charged by police and admitted the incident. However article was from April 10th and there seems to be little else on this story so maybe they were dropped?0 -
Luzon's said in his post-Genk interview that we need 4 or 5 players so at least it's been publicly acknowledged9
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If they did then they'd be accused of lacking ambition and buying boring players - Johnson, Eagles and TBH were all pre-labelled with being 'too experienced'Valley11 said:We really are pinning our hopes on untried Championship players. Please sign a couple of players with experience of the league.
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Wrong thread......0
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Works both ways. Was Tucudean better than Kermorgant?Scoham said:
Do we have to have players with Championship experience? JBG and Bulot were far better than Eagles. Igor and Watt were better than Church and other strikers we've had in the past. Buyens one of the better CMs in recent years.Valley11 said:We really are pinning our hopes on untried Championship players. Please sign a couple of players with experience of the league.
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That doesn't really disprove Scoham's argument though. If anything, it shows that previous experience of Championship football is not a necessary ingredient of a successful signing.The Red Robin said:
Works both ways. Was Tucudean better than Kermorgant?Scoham said:
Do we have to have players with Championship experience? JBG and Bulot were far better than Eagles. Igor and Watt were better than Church and other strikers we've had in the past. Buyens one of the better CMs in recent years.Valley11 said:We really are pinning our hopes on untried Championship players. Please sign a couple of players with experience of the league.
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Think people get way too caught up with the whole championship experience thing, who would you rather have, Johann or Woolford? Watt or Beckford? They're harsh examples but I think you get the point. They are risks but I'm happy taking them when it means getting players for 1-2 million cheaper than we usually would.6
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Heres a crazy idea, we sign a mix of Champ experienced players and foreign possibly more expensive ones.11
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I don't mean to say that signings with Championship experience aren't good signings but it's never a guarantee and often a more expensive gamble, so you have to be sure of what you're paying for.
Besides, what qualifies? Do JBG and Vetokele count seen as they've got a full season under their belts? What about Tony Watt with half a season or even KAG with <5 appearances? Where is the line drawn on Championship experience?1 -
How comes we only need 4-5 when we've had something like 15 go out?
Don't remember us having a top heavy squad last season, so that must be assuming 8-9 youth step up. Unrealistic.7 -
Brentford 9/8/14
Henderson, Solly, Wiggins, Bikey, Ben Haim, Gudmundsson, Jackson, Buyens, Cousins, Vetokele, Tucadean. Subs: Pope, Wilson, Moussa, Morrison, Fox, Harriott, Pigott.
Missing from that 18 was Church, Gomez
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Watt for Tucadean
Bauer for Bikey
Diarra for Ben Haim
Ba for Buyens
From the bench: Wilson, Morrison gone. Replace with the Big Dane and then youngsters.
The squad was small last season. Luzon is spot on that a minimum of 4/5 players is a must asap.1 -
Players who made a first team appearance and left during the summer:AFKABartram said:How comes we only need 4-5 when we've had something like 15 go out?
Don't remember us having a top heavy squad last season, so that must be assuming 8-9 youth step up. Unrealistic.
TAL BEN HAIM
CHRISTOPHE LEPOINT
JOE GOMEZ
SIMON CHURCH
CHRIS EAGLES
NEIL ETHERIDGE
ROGER JOHNSON
OGUCHI ONYEWU
LAWRIE WILSON
YONI BUYENS
FREDERIC BULOT
That's eleven first team outs...
Neil Eitheridge and Oguchi Onyewu don't need replacements IMO.
& with three new faces in, we're looking at six signings by the end of the window if no youth players are going to step up. If a couple do, Luzon's stated 4 or 5 is about on the money.3 -
We had a ridiculously thin squad last season, remember when Solly had to play as a CM? With all the players gone in the summer, I'm afraid 6 new faces that Guy says we need is simply not enough.
Especially if you witnessed the second half of the Welling game, definitely no Joe Gomez's coming through this season.2 -
I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiments, but to suggest that there isn't another Joe Gomez coming through doesn't mean that one or two might not make it. Gomez is the best young player I've seen at Charlton and is destined for great things . Go back three years and I though Jordan Cousins was an average u18 right back. Look at him nowSheedyCAFC said:We had a ridiculously thin squad last season, remember when Solly had to play as a CM? With all the players gone in the summer, I'm afraid 6 new faces that Guy says we need is simply not enough.
Especially if you witnessed the second half of the Welling game, definitely no Joe Gomez's coming through this season.2 -
Solly playing CM was a bit of a strange one yeah.
Thing is though, we now have five players who can play in that position: Cousins, Jackson, Diarra, Ba and Moussa.0 -
6 if you include Muldoon, yet it is a position most (me included) think we definitely need a new recruit for. To me this shows it is not just quantity but quality that needs a large improvement.Callumcafc said:Solly playing CM was a bit of a strange one yeah.
Thing is though, we now have five players who can play in that position: Cousins, Jackson, Diarra, Ba and Moussa.4 -
Cousins is the only player in that list which you would put into a top 6 Championship side.3
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Charlton does not intend to sell Vetokele
Looking for a new striker to expand its offensive sector, the Standard has set his sights on Mohamed Yattara. Wishing to ensure his rear in case of a negative outcome in the Guinean record, the Liège management has to study other tracks.
One of them thus leads to Charlton striker, Igor Vetokele. This is not the first time that the Standard is interested in the former Imp. In May 2014, while he was still active in Copenhagen, his name had already been circulating on the Meuse.
Finally, Roland Duchâtelet obtained an agreement for transfer to Charlton. Last winter, the track leading to Vetokele was again reactivated but the player said to pierce to England to move to the Premier League.
Today, as its name resurfaces for the 3rd time in a year, that's Charlton who cuts short the rumors. "It is true that the Standard seeks an attacker as Vetokele" admits Katrien Meire, the CEO of Addicks. "But for us, Igor is an important player who has played almost every game last season. So let him go is not an option for us."1 -
Article on Standard's interest in Vetokele:
http://www.dhnet.be/sports/football/division1/standard/yattara-presque-rouche-55a696b035708aa436fbd099
Seems to have and actual quote from Katrien:
Charlton does not intend to sell Vetokele
Looking for a new striker to expand its offensive sector, the Standard has set his sights on Mohamed Yattara. Wishing to ensure his rear in case of a negative outcome in the Guinean record, the Liège management has to study other tracks.
One of them thus leads to Charlton striker, Igor Vetokele. This is not the first time that the Standard is interested in the former Imp. In May 2014, while he was still active in Copenhagen, his name had already been circulating on the Meuse.
Finally, Roland Duchâtelet obtained an agreement for transfer to Charlton. Last winter, the track leading to Vetokele was again reactivated but the player said to pierce to England to move to the Premier League.
Today, as its name resurfaces for the 3rd time in a year, that's Charlton who cuts short the rumors. "It is true that the Standard seeks an attacker as Vetokele" admits Katrien Meire, the CEO of Addicks. "But for us, Igor is an important player who has played almost every game last season. So let him go is not an option for us."0 -
If Moussa finally gets fit he can be creative and cousins got a good assist for Grant against welling, so I don't really think a centre mid is a priority as JBG and whatever new winger for the left mid we get can create the chances, plus I can see Watt getting a few assists this season, I'm happy to go in to the season with cousins playing with Diarra or Ba.2
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Would be my team at the moment and I guess 5-6 signings would be enough.
Hendo
Solly
Bauer
*new
Wiggins
JBG
Cousins
Ba
*new
Vetokele
Watt
Subs.
Pope
Fox
Diarra
Jackson
*new cb
Big mak
*new lw/rw
And you still have Harriot, Moussa, Karlan Grant, Dmitrovic and hopefully another 2 signings.
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I think I would swap Mak for maybe Igor if he does the expected job of physicality and threat in the air. Think Mak / Watt or Mak / Igor may turn out to be a better pair in reality.bobcafc7 said:Would be my team at the moment and I guess 5-6 signings would be enough.
Hendo
Solly
Bauer
*new
Wiggins
JBG
Cousins
Ba
*new
Vetokele
Watt
Subs.
Pope
Fox
Diarra
Jackson
*new cb
Big mak
*new lw/rw
And you still have Harriot, Moussa, Karlan Grant, Dmitrovic and hopefully another 2 signings.
Think we need a real top class CM with Ba acting as back up to Cousins but need to see more of Ba to firm that up.
Hendo
Solly
Bauer
NEW
Wiggins
JBG
NEW
Cousins
NEW
Mak
Watt
Subs:
Pope
NEW CB
Fox
Diarra
Jacko
Ba
Igor (give his Achilles chance to properly recover).
Squad - new utility player, Harriott, Ahearne Grant, Moussa, Dmitrovic, Regan Cook, Obileye
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He'd played for Leicester before us and I wasn't trying to disprove Schoham's argument.Callumcafc said:
That doesn't really disprove Scoham's argument though. If anything, it shows that previous experience of Championship football is not a necessary ingredient of a successful signing.The Red Robin said:
Works both ways. Was Tucudean better than Kermorgant?Scoham said:
Do we have to have players with Championship experience? JBG and Bulot were far better than Eagles. Igor and Watt were better than Church and other strikers we've had in the past. Buyens one of the better CMs in recent years.Valley11 said:We really are pinning our hopes on untried Championship players. Please sign a couple of players with experience of the league.
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And was shit at Leicester, only played 20 odd games scoring 1 goal, and screwing up that penalty. There would be bloody riots if we signed a player with those stats today!The Red Robin said:
He'd played for Leicester before us and I wasn't trying to disprove Schoham's argument.Callumcafc said:
That doesn't really disprove Scoham's argument though. If anything, it shows that previous experience of Championship football is not a necessary ingredient of a successful signing.The Red Robin said:
Works both ways. Was Tucudean better than Kermorgant?Scoham said:
Do we have to have players with Championship experience? JBG and Bulot were far better than Eagles. Igor and Watt were better than Church and other strikers we've had in the past. Buyens one of the better CMs in recent years.Valley11 said:We really are pinning our hopes on untried Championship players. Please sign a couple of players with experience of the league.
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Thing is... Has Wiggins been so bad at Left-Midfield in Pre-Season so far that we should write him off in that position (remember the players are concentrating on fitness rather than finesse at the moment) especially when he's the best of both worlds, i.e. can get forward and put in a good cross but also gives you the added security when supporting Fox in Defence.
When you first hear it, having Fox at LB and Wiggins at LM doesnt sound too bad... You can then have Holmes-Dennis / Harriott as backup.
If we do sign another Left-Midfielder maybe try Wiggins in that slot against Bolton regardless, would certainly give them something to ponder when play them in the league.
After all the last player who started at Left-Back and then moved to Left-Mid didnt do too badly in either position to begin with (i.e. Jackson)2 -
I'm sure Big Bad Bob tried Wiggins at Left Midfield last pre-season too?ForeverAddickted said:Thing is... Has Wiggins been so bad at Left-Midfield in Pre-Season so far that we should write him off in that position (remember the players are concentrating on fitness rather than finesse at the moment) especially when he's the best of both worlds, i.e. can get forward and put in a good cross but also gives you the added security when supporting Fox in Defence.
When you first hear it, having Fox at LB and Wiggins at LM doesnt sound too bad... You can then have Holmes-Dennis / Harriott as backup.
If we do sign another Left-Midfielder maybe try Wiggins in that slot against Bolton regardless, would certainly give them something to ponder when play them in the league.
After all the last player who started at Left-Back and then moved to Left-Mid didnt do too badly in either position to begin with (i.e. Jackson)0 -
Hasn't Wiggins been playing as a wing back in a 5-3-2/3-5-2?2
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