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Plans to turn the Club shop into flats?

AFKABartram
AFKABartram Posts: 57,870
in General Charlton
Stripped out from another thread:
Ghostofcharltonpast said:

Just to rub salt in the wounds!
Club submitted planning application to remove club shop and replace with 4 flats,
Rumour is he's waiting for improved offer for ground and relocate at Blackwall site
Guys he's going nowhere quick if anyone attends meeting with club I would suggest you ask the question
The squad means nothing at all to him look at his network no squad investment at all
Ask yourselves this question WHY has Greenwich council not popped up expressing there concerns!
Answer they get state of the art stadium in there catchment
Jiminez and slater did not fit the model and far to much baggage once they got knock back Kevin cash pulled the funding
And the rest is history.
As they say for warned is for armed.

Airman Brown said:

I heard about ten days ago that RD planned to demolish the Superstore and replace it with flats. I didn't bring it here because 1) it would be possible subject to consent to build up with reinstated retail, 2) I couldn't find a second source and 3) I did not want to start a story that might involve the shop staff losing their jobs - or the threat of that - without sufficient verification.

You cannot put another storey on the existing building.

There is no planning application to date but if there is one I think we should organise to get it rejected.

I have heard from another source that Meire would prefer a store at the 02 or Bexleyheath, but we have been there before.

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  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,750
    Thanks for posting this on a new thread, AFKA.

    Everyone needs to read this IMHO.

    And be very worried.....
  • twiggyaddick
    twiggyaddick Posts: 1,565
    This completely speaks volumes of the man, his cronie CEO and the whole regime

    f*** off Roland

    This needs to be rejected!
  • Nicholas
    Nicholas Posts: 7,638
    And Richard Murray is a part of all this.

    We have the valley ripped away from us once let's not let it happen again.
  • Addickforlife
    Addickforlife Posts: 2,101
    How legit is this information/source?
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,374
    They should turn that ill-fated Brew & Choo space into the new shop ;)
  • razil
    razil Posts: 15,041
    edited November 2015
    I think the point about this (if true) is it is asset stripping, and possibly the beginning of such a process for getting money out of CAFC, so much for the stability of a rich owner eh?
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,050
    Puts this ownership into an entirely new perspective if true.

    Needs to be torn apart ... the club needs a shop on-site.

    The more that surfaces regarding RD & KM, the smellier this regime gets.
  • Anna_Kissed
    Anna_Kissed Posts: 3,302
    Maybe he wants to relocate his red sofa.
    Joking aside, if there's substance to this, we should oppose it every step of the way.
  • InspectorSands
    InspectorSands Posts: 5,192
    Nothing on Greenwich Council's planning search (last application was for a catering facility in 2013).
  • Ghostofcharltonpast
    Ghostofcharltonpast Posts: 12
    GUYS THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SKIN A CAT!
    if you all stand united and keep insults and personal threats limited i believe something or someone will crack and will have to provide answers.

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  • EastStand
    EastStand Posts: 4,109
    Won't happen. He clearly doesn't know his Charlton history. We as fans* aren't pushovers.

    *as players however....
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,140
    This is a question that has to be asked at the FF /PR event and by CAST until we have an answer.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,070
    Time to dust off the old ACV legislation. Under that we (CAST) have to be advised when there is an intention to sell the ground. Two questions to be answered are;

    a) does the legislation apply when there is an intention to sell a part of the registered property ?
    b) did we include the club shop within the boundaries of the registered area ?

    I hope KM/RD have appraised themselves of the law before they go and do something that may find them on the wrong side of it.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,140
    edited November 2015
    Question:

    In light of West Ham moving to the OS would you take a stadium move to Greenwich Peninsula? It's a question I've been asking myself for a while now and I'm not sure on the answer.

    Could this also explain why the training ground plans have been waived through with such ease?
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,870
    The Red Robin said:

    Question:

    In light of West Ham moving to the OS would you take a stadium move to Greenwich Peninsula? It's a question I've been asking myself for a while now and I'm not sure on the answer.

    I think that's one for a separate debate / thread
  • razil
    razil Posts: 15,041
    se9addick said:

    Time to dust off the old ACV legislation. Under that we (CAST) have to be advised when there is an intention to sell the ground. Two questions to be answered are;

    a) does the legislation apply when there is an intention to sell a part of the registered property ?
    b) did we include the club shop within the boundaries of the registered area ?

    I hope KM/RD have appraised themselves of the law before they go and do something that may find them on the wrong side of it.

    Perhaps the land registry is a port of call for that?


    The land itself could be redeveloped, the shop moved to a temporary location nearby, and put back afterwards, or dispersed, one assumes?
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,070
    The Red Robin said:

    Question:

    In light of West Ham moving to the OS would you take a stadium move to Greenwich Peninsula? It's a question I've been asking myself for a while now and I'm not sure on the answer.

    For me that's just too broad a question to answer. It entirely depends on the business case, I'm not wedded to the idea that we have to always play at the Valley, forever, but it would have to be a pretty compelling argument that convinced me we should leave.
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,665
    se9addick said:

    Time to dust off the old ACV legislation. Under that we (CAST) have to be advised when there is an intention to sell the ground. Two questions to be answered are;

    a) does the legislation apply when there is an intention to sell a part of the registered property ?
    b) did we include the club shop within the boundaries of the registered area ?

    I hope KM/RD have appraised themselves of the law before they go and do something that may find them on the wrong side of it.

    and what a useful person KM would be when getting into legal minefields.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,673
    Leaving aside everything else that stinks about this proposal, how can they justify squeezing four flats into such a small site? Feckin tight bastards.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,140
    AFKABartram said:

    The Red Robin said:

    Question:

    In light of West Ham moving to the OS would you take a stadium move to Greenwich Peninsula? It's a question I've been asking myself for a while now and I'm not sure on the answer.

    I think that's one for a separate debate / thread
    Fair enough.

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  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,070
    edited November 2015
    Baldybonce said:

    se9addick said:

    Time to dust off the old ACV legislation. Under that we (CAST) have to be advised when there is an intention to sell the ground. Two questions to be answered are;

    a) does the legislation apply when there is an intention to sell a part of the registered property ?
    b) did we include the club shop within the boundaries of the registered area ?

    I hope KM/RD have appraised themselves of the law before they go and do something that may find them on the wrong side of it.

    and what a useful person KM would be when getting into legal minefields.
    This is the same lawyer that appointed an employee without a work permit.
  • robroy
    robroy Posts: 4,447
    edited November 2015
    The fact that KM used to work in law, I would suspect they know what they are doing. Dark dark times ahead. Even if he sells up he won't give up the ground.

    He did this at another team he owned. Now rents it back to them at an extortionate rate
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,556
    robroy said:

    The fact that KM used to work in law, I would suspect they know what they are doing.

    International competition law is KM's specialism - a little different from English planning law.

    Rumour on Twitter was that the shop would move to Bartram's.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,140
    So could this be stage one of moving us to Greenwich Peninsula or just part of a plan to build property / hotels on the current site? Didn't he do something similar at Sint Truiden?

    Good time to dig these out?

    https://londondocklands.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/greenwich-peninsula-and-the-mystery-stadium/

    http://853blog.com/2013/08/19/greenwich-council-in-new-charlton-athletic-stadium-talks/

  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,988
    \you can rule out the move to the Greenwich Penisular. The Hong Kong developers only interested in luxury homes, hotels and offices. A football stadium would not fit into this.
  • 3blokes
    3blokes Posts: 4,610
    The appointment of Karel F signals no ambition whatsoever on the football front so maybe this reveals what the real ambition is.
    I think RD may well turn out to be our worst nightmare. Someone who has accrued so much through his businesses does not suddenly become an idiot overnight. Arrogant, pig headed maybe but not a fool. It is beginning to look very much as though his plans for the development of Charlton Athletic are very much going to be the polar opposite of what we want.
    I am not sure what any of us can do to turn this business back into a football club, but I'm up for trying to help with future collective action.
    What a mess football is in.
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,491
    If the current ownership move us to the peninsula and handle it in the same manner they have most other things, then they should only build one with 10,000 seats.
  • razil
    razil Posts: 15,041
    If you look at Floyd Road, a developer could buy up the housing there and building a hotel that backed on the pitch and once assumes around the corner too behind the JS, with car park below, its a few minutes walk from a station, if you look at Sidcup plenty of hotels around that station, seems to be a new trend, as are hotels behind stadia.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,272
    The "gossip" I heard was that the idea, and it was just an idea, had been floated to move the shop to the ticket collection point on the other side of the entrance.

    This will be with the background that the four year deal with Just Sport to run the club shop expires this summer. The club's stated intention was to bring the retail activity back in house. In any case historically this is the time of year when new kits and new kit deals are negotiated between the club and new or existing suppliers.

    My fear is that we go off on a tangent about new grounds when I thought it has already been shown there was no realistic chance of building a football stadium at Morden Wharf as it is owned by developers and is far more lucrative as housing that as a football ground.

    If you wanted to distract attention from how the club is being run now and shift questions from the mismanagement to another concern this would be a great story to leak. No saying GhostofCharltonpast or Airman Brown are making this up but I remember this exact same story (Morden Wharf) coming up a couple of years ago and it proved to have no legs.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,381
    Will they come in XXL sizes?

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