12pm CARD STATEMENT- BOYCOTT ALL MATCHDAY PURCHASES TODAY
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Not a criticism, just pointing out to angrybird that leaflet handout or not, you can't guarantee 100% coverage or readership.RedChaser said:
I think our leaflet and sticker coverage of those fans entering the East Stand was pretty effective with the vanguard volunteers doing a good job at the Harvey Gardens / Charlton Lane junction with a second wave backing them up near the turnstiles. Understandably however as it got closer to kick off, the less fans wanted to be stopped in their tracks and the flyers may also not have been read until half time giving some reason for pre match purchasing at the kiosks. Still a very satisfying outcome for me being able to do something towards the cause. No let up now, keep the momentum going everybody.DA9 said:
But there is no way of guaranteeing that every one who attended, were either handed, read a leaflet, or are on social media.angrybird said:Thought this was a good idea so quite disappointed to see so many people buying programmes and refreshments. I realise that you can't persuade everyone to follow but for one game it doesn't seem too much to ask. Its been said that people won't know about the idea but there was leaflets given out explaining the plan. There are plenty of places to buy food and drink outside the ground so don't see the problem.
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Quite.micks1950 said:
But unless they were smoking something other than tobacco that wouldn't account for them being significantly more 'refreshed' (a couple of them almost 'leglessly' so) when they came back than when they left......Wheresmeticket? said:
Smoking in the bogs.micks1950 said:
There was a group of about half a dozen young blokes behind me in the North Upper most wearing Black & White scarves “giving it large” about the 'regime' for most of the first half but who then disappeared early before half time and came back late second half somewhat more 'refreshed' than they been before.alan dugdale said:
You'd "go mental" if you go without a beer for 90 minutes ? Really ?Alwaysneil said:The queues were shorter at half time, takings would have been down.
I'm a scab here though because there is no way I'm not having pint and my son isn't having a hotdog at half time. Both of us would go mental otherwise.
We support the team, we protest together before (disappointing not to have a before protest) and after (had to leave after the flares, which should have Been later I think) but this not enjoying your day out so as to not influence the regime at all bull shit is rubbish.
I was proud of the way we got behind the team today, my son expected that we would lose by at least 3
This is not the end, not even the start of the end. Duchatelet doesn't want it to end and so we need to keep pressure on to make sure he thinks again.
As for, "not enjoying your day out so as not to influence the regime bull shit" - stopping people's enjoyment was not the reason for the refreshments boycott. The aim is to hit the owners in the pocket.
Well done to today's organisers. It was far from "bull shit".
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I agree you can take a horse to the trough but you can't make it drink the water and I didn't interperate it as a criticismDA9 said:
Not a criticism, just pointing out to angrybird that leaflet handout or not, you can't guarantee 100% coverage or readership.RedChaser said:
I think our leaflet and sticker coverage of those fans entering the East Stand was pretty effective with the vanguard volunteers doing a good job at the Harvey Gardens / Charlton Lane junction with a second wave backing them up near the turnstiles. Understandably however as it got closer to kick off, the less fans wanted to be stopped in their tracks and the flyers may also not have been read until half time giving some reason for pre match purchasing at the kiosks. Still a very satisfying outcome for me being able to do something towards the cause. No let up now, keep the momentum going everybody.DA9 said:
But there is no way of guaranteeing that every one who attended, were either handed, read a leaflet, or are on social media.angrybird said:Thought this was a good idea so quite disappointed to see so many people buying programmes and refreshments. I realise that you can't persuade everyone to follow but for one game it doesn't seem too much to ask. Its been said that people won't know about the idea but there was leaflets given out explaining the plan. There are plenty of places to buy food and drink outside the ground so don't see the problem.
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I volunteered for Fareshare back in the 90s...Pret gave us all their leftover sandwiches for distribution even then.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Pret a Manger are very good for this. They deliver all fresh left over food to homeless groups around town I believe.Miserableoldgit said:
Trust Me, homeless people are more than grateful for ANY food.Godstone said:
I know what you mean but then again it's not exactly health food...nth london addick said:
The sad thing is there's people Starving and I fully support the strategy of not giving him money, but I can't stand to see waste like that,AFKABartram said:
Before I became the international, jet set captain of industry that now walks among you I worked in McDonald's. The amount of stuff that we were told had to be thrown away literally a number of minutes after being cooked was criminal. Disgusting organisation that it is.2 -
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Trust Me, homeless people are more than grateful for ANY food.Godstone said:
I know what you mean but then again it's not exactly health food...nth london addick said:
The sad thing is there's people Starving and I fully support the strategy of not giving him money, but I can't stand to see waste like that,AFKABartram said:0 -
Or agreementDA9 said:
Not a criticism, just pointing out to angrybird that leaflet handout or not, you can't guarantee 100% coverage or readership.RedChaser said:
I think our leaflet and sticker coverage of those fans entering the East Stand was pretty effective with the vanguard volunteers doing a good job at the Harvey Gardens / Charlton Lane junction with a second wave backing them up near the turnstiles. Understandably however as it got closer to kick off, the less fans wanted to be stopped in their tracks and the flyers may also not have been read until half time giving some reason for pre match purchasing at the kiosks. Still a very satisfying outcome for me being able to do something towards the cause. No let up now, keep the momentum going everybody.DA9 said:
But there is no way of guaranteeing that every one who attended, were either handed, read a leaflet, or are on social media.angrybird said:Thought this was a good idea so quite disappointed to see so many people buying programmes and refreshments. I realise that you can't persuade everyone to follow but for one game it doesn't seem too much to ask. Its been said that people won't know about the idea but there was leaflets given out explaining the plan. There are plenty of places to buy food and drink outside the ground so don't see the problem.
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Are there plans to continue this? From far away it sound like it was successful for a flash protest, but now that the idea is widely known, can it be sustained for the rest of the season. Once people get used to the idea, the better the chance of more participation.0
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I think one guy tried from the west upper but his folding skills were crap as they all fell in the directors boxcafc-west said:I was surprised that none of the leaflets got converted to paper planes and ended up on the pitch...
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Done this before to mention the vegetarian options, seem to remember getting a reply so probably worth contacting them with any concerns or even questions about Toe Knee in the Cojones.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
might be a good idea to clog up their inbox or system, if they email the club regarding it, it won't be read or answered anyway.
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We need to distribute the wasted food, pies and pasties etc can all be handed out,1
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They could hand it out to the cold and hungry protesters in the west stand car park.nth london addick said:We need to distribute the wasted food, pies and pasties etc can all be handed out,
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Given our low numbers, had a nice £3.50 hot dog coming out of Udders the other week for a knockdown 50p
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how about this for a future protest : all fans where a black top ( being it a club shirt - t shirt - training top - or any other black top ) at next home game backed up with leaflets showing the club is dieing under the current owners!!
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Thought the protest was an excellent idea and had no problem avoiding the kiosks at all. I didn't pop downstairs at half time, so no idea what the impact was, but there seemed fewer people using it before the game when I went in.
There were plenty around me with flasks & snacks from home, but then I've moved from North Upper to the Lower West this season, so I think that's actually the done thing3 -
Sent a message ta. Suggested this won't go away and that their outlets won't be viable and they should bring pressure to bear on our beloved CEO to help her to wake up before there is no more coffee to smell.seth plum said:
Done this before to mention the vegetarian options, seem to remember getting a reply so probably worth contacting them with any concerns or even questions about Toe Knee in the Cojones.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
might be a good idea to clog up their inbox or system, if they email the club regarding it, it won't be read or answered anyway.
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I'm worried that this could escalate and that Roland might hit back by banning rugs and thermos flasks in the west stand. If he decides to raise the stakes where do we go from here? #WhenWillTheMadnessEnd6
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He might do a Leeds . Increase ticket prices to include a pie .SantaClaus said:I'm worried that this could escalate and that Roland might hit back by banning rugs and thermos flasks in the west stand. If he decides to raise the stakes where do we go from here? #WhenWillTheMadnessEnd
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Was it that pleasurablecafcdave123 said:Did anyone else think the beer tasted nicer yesterday? Maybe it was not having to que for it...
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Trust you lot over there to make life difficult for us opposite in the cheap seatsSantaClaus said:I'm worried that this could escalate and that Roland might hit back by banning rugs and thermos flasks in the west stand. If he decides to raise the stakes where do we go from here? #WhenWillTheMadnessEnd
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Ok I was wrong.
Didn't prepare well to boycott the food and drink this week.
Can promise will not be buying anything from the club going forwards.
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Might entice Andy Reid back hopefully.Starinnaddick said:
He might do a Leeds . Increase ticket prices to include a pie .SantaClaus said:I'm worried that this could escalate and that Roland might hit back by banning rugs and thermos flasks in the west stand. If he decides to raise the stakes where do we go from here? #WhenWillTheMadnessEnd
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For a flash marketing initiative the response seems to have gone well. Anything above 10-15% reduction in income will have hit profit margins. It seems to have been notably larger. I have known many a corporate marketing team wet themselves over a 3% response for any such communication exercise.
Targeting catering outlets dealing with perishable products and who have fixed operating costs to meet was absolutely right.
It was a good simple message and another step in the escalation. The campaign continues to grow and all those involved should feel very pleased with their contribution to the cause.
We need some patience as there have long been those who go to games for a bevy with the lads, and family groups enjoying a pie & beverage who will have no easy alternative catering options. Do not alienate those who chose to continue their usual match day routine. It is no big deal. Maybe next time they will think twice.
Equally many have a natural tendency to support the establishment so they will hesitate to go against the regime. They are not your enemy - they are your future recruits. Others will always focus on their own interests and even more will be ambivalent to the whole thing. Such is their right but every step in the process applies just a little more pressure.
Each initiative presents a challenge for an executive who have shown remarkably little managerial ability. They chose to operate with reduced staff numbers losing a number of experienced employees. Every challenge creates a new pressure and a potential for another public mistake.
The banner incident. the photography, the hassling of members of the press and linked aggressive stewarding are all cases in point.
The Louis Mendez decision is another. There is/ was always a potential conflict of interest to be managed but so poor is the management they choose to silence anyone drawing attention to their failings. It appears balance, openness, transparency, client engagement have very different definitions in the Belgian dictionary.
Another flash protest target, the programme, presents a more interesting proposition. Remember it is reportedly under threat presenting another forthcoming blunder in the communication war and a reduction in the match day service. I would argue there is the potential to produce an unofficial "VOTV/ CARD programme/ team sheet" reinforcing our aims regarding this regime but that is for another thread.
So a well done to those who acted in support of CARD and the campaign to preserve our club. Keep up the good work. There will always be the "naysayers" in life and on occasions they can contribute to any debate but for now they offer absolutely nothing of value in this process.22 -
Does anyone imagine Grapevine's posts being delivered in the voice of Alec Guinness?5
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For me, this should not be a one - off but an ongoing initiative. I understand it means people making changes to their routine and small sacrifices, but we are in this for the long haul. There are pubs, cafes, stalls and supermarkets in the immediate area to provide alternative refreshments.
Also just wondering if we have any insider information on the impact beyond a bin bag of burgers?
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Arsenetatters said:
Yep I thought it included the jackpot. When I went into the East stand the sellers were trying hard to sell them but having no luckJohnnyH2 said:
I think most who were boycotting would have thought the Jackpot was included, irrespective whether it was on the leaflet. Personally I think it's great the numbers for the Jackpot reducedAirman Brown said:
Possibly, but it was a very small home crowd too. We didn't target the Jackpot - but that's a whole other subject!Bangkokaddick said:This particular protest should be ongoing.
I noticed the very low jackpot ticket amount and this demonstrated to me that today's action worked. You're never going to get 100% support for these actions but, reading the thread, there is a certain amount of hypocrisy with black and white scarf and sticker wearers buying beers and pies, which is a bit disappointing.
We're famous for our thermos flasks at Charlton! Can't you sneak your half time beer inside the ground in one of these or do they check the contents? I really don't know having never owned a flask in my life.
I too assumed jackpot was included so didn't get our usual 2 tickets on Saturday. The fact that the prize is put up on the big screen also means we get instant info on how successful any boycott is. I'll continue to opt out of jackpot tickets as well as programmes. We don't buy food inside anyway so want to be able to continue the pressure albeit in my own small way!2 -
I've mentioned it above, but I genuinely think there's a trick to be had regarding making this an ongoing form of protest and using it to support local businesses too.Weegie Addick said:For me, this should not be a one - off but an ongoing initiative. I understand it means people making changes to their routine and small sacrifices, but we are in this for the long haul. There are pubs, cafes, stalls and supermarkets in the immediate area to provide alternative refreshments.
Also just wondering if we have any insider information on the impact beyond a bin bag of burgers?
I haven't really seen it mentioned at all, but how many of the businesses on Charlton Church Lane and up the hill in The Village use match day income to supplement their usual sales? If you walk down to The Valley at 2pm or so you can see kebab houses, fried chicken shops, fish and chip shops and newsagents all with people queueing to get in. The same goes for the food stalls outside the ground.
These local businesses may not directly be fans, but they are more a part of Charlton Athletic than the Belgians who own it. Supporting these guys is a brilliant side effect to boycotting the regime. After all, you'd visit another restaurant if you weren't happy with the one you used to go to.
Not to mention, despite the queues to get in these places (which is understandable) I reckon you get served quicker in most of them and get far better portions for a smaller price. There really is nothing gained by buying food in the ground.1 -
Wow that's much higher than I imagined, thanks. 30% cos is an admirable aim but there's a critical mass in terms of revenues therefore. Do you know on what basis the outsource is arranged - fixed club fees, or percentage of profits/revenues? I've presumed the former based on agreed volumes, which no doubt are already lowee than expected.garfield said:@rikofold for information DNC will work to an across the board cost of sales of around 30% on food & beverages, therefore a 70% margin is maintained on most sales.
They will also aim for something like a 12 - 15% staff cost on a match day.
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Yeah, not going there (it's Valley Gold funds rather than directly to the club).Arsenetatters said:
Yep I thought it included the jackpot. When I went into the East stand the sellers were trying hard to sell them but having no luckJohnnyH2 said:
I think most who were boycotting would have thought the Jackpot was included, irrespective whether it was on the leaflet. Personally I think it's great the numbers for the Jackpot reducedAirman Brown said:
Possibly, but it was a very small home crowd too. We didn't target the Jackpot - but that's a whole other subject!Bangkokaddick said:This particular protest should be ongoing.
I noticed the very low jackpot ticket amount and this demonstrated to me that today's action worked. You're never going to get 100% support for these actions but, reading the thread, there is a certain amount of hypocrisy with black and white scarf and sticker wearers buying beers and pies, which is a bit disappointing.
We're famous for our thermos flasks at Charlton! Can't you sneak your half time beer inside the ground in one of these or do they check the contents? I really don't know having never owned a flask in my life.0