Pre the miners strke in the 1980s Thatcher brought in mountains of coal from the USSR and Poland. Those good old Socialist empirers. It was rubbish stuff, but there was huge quantities of it piled in all the ruddundant Power Sations. The miners were told 1,000 times by the power workers what was going on. Scargills ego killed the mines as much as Thatchers idiology. No way he should have taken her on when he did , she provoked it after passing anti strike laws. She knew he would fight and it was on her terms. Neo Liberlism baited the trap--- Socialist Empires sent the supplies----and a Socialist icon`s ego brought the miners to the end of the road.
not from a book i was a Trade Union official and a Power Worker during those years.
PS i dont think coal has had is day. Prices of fuel will reach such a high and technology re CO2 will advance. Of course it will be "Forign" investors who see it and fund it.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Pre the miners strke in the 1980s Thatcher brought in mountains of coal from the USSR and Poland. Those good old Socialist empirers. It was rubbish stuff, but there was huge quantities of it piled in all the ruddundant Power Sations. The miners were told 1,000 times by the power workers what was going on. Scargills ego killed the mines as much as Thatchers idiology. No way he should have taken her on when he did , she provoked it after passing anti strike laws. She knew he would fight and it was on her terms. Neo Liberlism baited the trap--- Socialist Empires sent the supplies----and a Socialist icon`s ego brought the miners to the end of the road.
not from a book i was a Trade Union official and a Power Worker during those years.
PS i dont think coal has had is day. Prices of fuel will reach such a high and technology re CO2 will advance. Of course it will be "Forign" investors who see it and fund it.[/quote]
So what should Scargill have done?
Consented to the massacre of the coal industry? Just watched and done nothing as tens of thousands of miners were thrown on the dole? His personality certainly didn't help, but he was no Joe Gormley who the National Coal Board used to drag down to London, then they would literally ply him so much alcohol that he could not only stand up but would agree to pretty much anything. Unfortunately Scargill was too much his own man and history has vindicated him.
The whole thing was a Thatcherite stitch up, from the importing of oil and coal to the massive subsidies given to nuclear power but were strangely not offered or were withdrawn from coal.
The knock-on was not just the death of the British coal industry but also steel too - coal being a vital component in making steel, and that in turn made car and ship building and construction more expensive. It might have been worth it had Thatcher had some plans to invest in new industries for the areas that were hardest hit, instead all that happened was that massive numbers of people went on the dole and we squandered north sea oil and gas revenues to keep them there and what wealth from the jobs in industry that were created went overseas.
[quote][cite]Posted By: DA_9[/cite]But how sustainable is coal now as a fuel, especially our own supplies of it?[/quote]
From UK suppliers? Minimal, most coal is imported and when North Sea oil and gas run out we'll no longer control energy creation in the UK, and that underpins the entire economy. Britain is a net importer of energy and especially oil and we have an economy backed by carbon fuels. That's ok while oil and gas prices are cheap but as we've seen in recent months oil is getting more expensive. Our attempt to secure oil supplies by colonisation (the Iraq war) has failed so we either reduce energy consumption (and imports) or go nuclear/green.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Gump[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite][quote][cite]Am I a "right-wing nutbag"?...do you know me well enough to make such a comment?[/quote]
I don't know about "right-wing", but the other half of the comment is on the money...
Scargill could have waited , he could have chosen his ground, he could have called an OFFICIAL strike. The Power Workers wouldnt have crossed an Official picket line. He could have got the Notts miners on side again by calling a ballot. Instead he never made it official, The NUM split and the Power Workers never joined in. Maggie new him better then he did himself.
we lost 200,000 miners 60,000 power workers,+ 200,000 car workers, 100,000 steel workers, 100,000 shipworkers. Where did they go ? what are they doing now ?
Only one option to go for is nuclear. The green option does not give us enough i.e wind farms can only produce 5% of energy. Unfortuantly nuclear waste but what else can we do go back to the caveman times.
[quote][cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: DA_9[/cite]But how sustainable is coal now as a fuel, especially our own supplies of it?[/quote]
From UK suppliers? Minimal, most coal is imported and when North Sea oil and gas run out we'll no longer control energy creation in the UK, and that underpins the entire economy. Britain is a net importer of energy and especially oil and we have an economy backed by carbon fuels. That's ok while oil and gas prices are cheap but as we've seen in recent months oil is getting more expensive. Our attempt to secure oil supplies by colonisation (the Iraq war) has failed so we either reduce energy consumption (and imports) or go nuclear/green.[/quote]
Thats what worries me, coal, whether imported or our own will only last so long, there has to be a greener alternative, I'm a great believer that there are conspiracies afoot from major energy companies/governments around the world to maintain prices. There are alternatives out there IMO, but just like the alleged invention of the ever lasting light bulb, it will never get to market or the consumer.
ExxonMobil the worlds biggest oil company and the biggest profit maker iin the Worlds history were no where near Iraq. They built the pipe lines through Africa (cameroon) and through Russia. Both projects controlled from their London offices. They also built the plant on Saclin island on the Sino/Russian boarder(over £200 million investment). They brought/rented the port of Milford haven and brought 40% of Qatar Oil. Milford haven will be a staging post for LNG from Qatar and Russia. The ships have been designed and built by ExxonMobil and a new metal is being used in the ships double hul. Milford Haven will store the LNG for onward transport to the USA.
Three things (1) the biggest player in the markey couldnt give a sh*t about Iraq. (2)Its in companies like ExxonMobils intrest to find a replacement to oil , they invested over $400 million in doing that in 2006. (3) As an American company they are also looking after the USA supply of oil, gas etc. We in the UK have no real security of supply as all energy suppliers are Forign owned.
Blair (Should be in jail as a war crim.) Brown (did anyone actually vote for him?) Campbell (but I expect he'd be even worse) Clegg (an annoying irrellevance) Bush/McCain (Same animal really) The Clintons (If the most capable people in a country with a population of 250m are man and wife, there must be something genetically wrong with the human race) Mugabe (Why on Earth wouldn't someone of his age not want to retire?) Sarkosy, Putin, Merkel.....(I guess you're getting the picture now. The bottom line is that I think people have to be so driven and power obsessed to become successful polititians that I could never trust anyone who had made it).
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Neo Liberlism baited the trap--- Socialist Empires sent the supplies----and a Socialist icon`s ego brought the miners to the end of the road.
not from a book i was a Trade Union official and a Power Worker during those years.
PS i dont think coal has had is day. Prices of fuel will reach such a high and technology re CO2 will advance. Of course it will be "Forign" investors who see it and fund it.
Neo Liberlism baited the trap--- Socialist Empires sent the supplies----and a Socialist icon`s ego brought the miners to the end of the road.
not from a book i was a Trade Union official and a Power Worker during those years.
PS i dont think coal has had is day. Prices of fuel will reach such a high and technology re CO2 will advance. Of course it will be "Forign" investors who see it and fund it.[/quote]
So what should Scargill have done?
Consented to the massacre of the coal industry? Just watched and done nothing as tens of thousands of miners were thrown on the dole? His personality certainly didn't help, but he was no Joe Gormley who the National Coal Board used to drag down to London, then they would literally ply him so much alcohol that he could not only stand up but would agree to pretty much anything. Unfortunately Scargill was too much his own man and history has vindicated him.
The whole thing was a Thatcherite stitch up, from the importing of oil and coal to the massive subsidies given to nuclear power but were strangely not offered or were withdrawn from coal.
The knock-on was not just the death of the British coal industry but also steel too - coal being a vital component in making steel, and that in turn made car and ship building and construction more expensive. It might have been worth it had Thatcher had some plans to invest in new industries for the areas that were hardest hit, instead all that happened was that massive numbers of people went on the dole and we squandered north sea oil and gas revenues to keep them there and what wealth from the jobs in industry that were created went overseas.
From UK suppliers? Minimal, most coal is imported and when North Sea oil and gas run out we'll no longer control energy creation in the UK, and that underpins the entire economy. Britain is a net importer of energy and especially oil and we have an economy backed by carbon fuels. That's ok while oil and gas prices are cheap but as we've seen in recent months oil is getting more expensive. Our attempt to secure oil supplies by colonisation (the Iraq war) has failed so we either reduce energy consumption (and imports) or go nuclear/green.
Bob crow
Adrian Chiles (long before he was on anything football related)
Tony Blair
Catherine Tate
Secondly, if it does crop up like now, and can't be debated maturely from either side, it will be deleted or sunk.
Your choice chaps.
I don't know about "right-wing", but the other half of the comment is on the money...
we lost 200,000 miners 60,000 power workers,+ 200,000 car workers, 100,000 steel workers, 100,000 shipworkers. Where did they go ? what are they doing now ?
George W Bush
Adam Sandler
Britney Spears
Bernie Ecclestone (oops, maybe I can't have him now!)
seconded
it's all too grown up and mature for me... let's stick to the footy, away support and food;-0
From UK suppliers? Minimal, most coal is imported and when North Sea oil and gas run out we'll no longer control energy creation in the UK, and that underpins the entire economy. Britain is a net importer of energy and especially oil and we have an economy backed by carbon fuels. That's ok while oil and gas prices are cheap but as we've seen in recent months oil is getting more expensive. Our attempt to secure oil supplies by colonisation (the Iraq war) has failed so we either reduce energy consumption (and imports) or go nuclear/green.[/quote]
Thats what worries me, coal, whether imported or our own will only last so long, there has to be a greener alternative, I'm a great believer that there are conspiracies afoot from major energy companies/governments around the world to maintain prices. There are alternatives out there IMO, but just like the alleged invention of the ever lasting light bulb, it will never get to market or the consumer.
That new bloke that does Soccer Am - Your not funny mate, just an idiot
Kerry Katona - The definition of a chav
Any Halifax employee!
Sara Cox - Face for radio and a voice for silent movies!
Amy Winehouse
Gordon Brown
Rick Stein (for taking over Padstow)
Tony Blair
Its not. You just notice yours.
ken livingstone
that bird that does Iceland advert
iain dowie - you did say non football
the person in charge at the HSE -
They built the pipe lines through Africa (cameroon) and through Russia. Both projects controlled from their London offices. They also built the plant on Saclin island on the Sino/Russian boarder(over £200 million investment). They brought/rented the port of Milford haven and brought 40% of Qatar Oil. Milford haven will be a staging post for LNG from Qatar and Russia. The ships have been designed and built by ExxonMobil and a new metal is being used in the ships double hul. Milford Haven will store the LNG for onward transport to the USA.
Three things (1) the biggest player in the markey couldnt give a sh*t about Iraq. (2)Its in companies like ExxonMobils intrest to find a replacement to oil , they invested over $400 million in doing that in 2006. (3) As an American company they are also looking after the USA supply of oil, gas etc. We in the UK have no real security of supply as all energy suppliers are Forign owned.
Give yourself a gold star :-)
Arsene Wenger
Alan Smith (footballer)
Kylie Minogue
Damon Albarn
Amy Winehouse
Kerry Katona
John Barrowman
Davina McCall
the alma in sidcup?
George W. Bush
Robert Mugabe
Sir Philip Green
Osama Bin-Laden
Hu Jintao
You hate...
John Barrowman
Eamon Holmes
Russell Brand
Chris Evans
Jackie Oakley
I think you need to read a broadsheet instead of Heat magazine... LOL
Nick Griffin
George W Bush
Dick Cheney
James Whale
star!
Brown (did anyone actually vote for him?)
Campbell (but I expect he'd be even worse)
Clegg (an annoying irrellevance)
Bush/McCain (Same animal really)
The Clintons (If the most capable people in a country with a population of 250m are man and wife, there must be something genetically wrong with the human race)
Mugabe (Why on Earth wouldn't someone of his age not want to retire?)
Sarkosy, Putin, Merkel.....(I guess you're getting the picture now. The bottom line is that I think people have to be so driven and power obsessed to become successful polititians that I could never trust anyone who had made it).
For fueling paranoid people paranoia? Not even a good shock jock
Indeed, it's interesting to have a conversation with my Mother who was a school teacher at the time ... she has a few opinions on this.