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Moncur bid rejected

LargeAddick
LargeAddick Posts: 32,942
in General Charlton
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11702/10284681/charltons-bid-for-george-moncur-rejected-by-colchester-sky-sources?
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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,822
    500k is a bit steep
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,942
    who is identifying these players though? we'd be likely to sign someone who the new manager then doesn't want and sell them at a loss next week.
  • HarryLime
    HarryLime Posts: 1,295
    I'm assuming Kat is using the list of targets Wilder left in her office.
    Moncur will sign for Sheff U.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,339
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    500k is a bit steep

    I think he is worth more that £150 though. Offer of between £250 - £350 seems reasonable - but then it is not my money!

    What does our manager think?
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,638
    What player is going to sign for club that is managerless?
    An absolute fruit loop of a club bear in mind!
  • leftbehind
    leftbehind Posts: 8,581
    LargeAddick said:

    who is identifying these players though? we'd be likely to sign someone who the new manager then doesn't want and sell them at a loss next week.

    Thought that, good to see the new manager is signing pleyers LOL

  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,947
    that is shitty shit news.

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  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    LargeAddick said:

    who is identifying these players though? we'd be likely to sign someone who the new manager then doesn't want and sell them at a loss next week.

    JJ will be recommending them.

    Which is all well and good but there is a reason why managers want to purchase their own players, to suit their style of management.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 96,047
    edited May 2016
    Hate to say but this is why I find it hard to disagree with the going for European players approach.

    No way is a League Two player worth £500k!!...

    £150k is a fair price for a player who has never played higher than a mid-League One team
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Looking at signing players without a manager?

    This club is a complete and utter joke.
  • JiMMy 85
    JiMMy 85 Posts: 10,219
    edited May 2016
    How often do you hear players say "I heard there was an offer which was flattering, but it was when I sat down with the manager and he told me his plans, I knew I wanted to be a part of it" or words to that effect?

    "I sat down with Katrien and as soon as she opened her mouth I knew I had to sign" seems quite unlikely.

    Edit- typos
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 96,047
    ricky_otto said:

    Looking at signing players without a manager?

    This club is a complete and utter joke.

    Not really as it proves that Chris Wilder was right in wanting written proof he'd have control over signings.

    Instead the club want a DoF style approach where the Manager just deals with training / matchdays
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 8,015
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Hate to say but this is why I find it hard to disagree with the going for European players approach.

    No way is a League Two player worth £500k!!...

    £150k is a fair price for a player who has never played higher than a mid-League One team

    They won't get that and I doubt they expect to get that. Stick a £500k tag on him and sell for £300k, standard tactics to try and bump the fee up a bit.
  • redlanered
    redlanered Posts: 2,223
    edited May 2016
    JiMMy 85 said:

    How often do you hear players say "I heard there was an offer whichever as flattering, but it was when I sat down with the manager and he told me his plans, I knew I wanted to be a part of it" or words to that effect?

    "I sat down with Katrien and as soon as she opened her mouth I knew I had to sign for someone else" seems quite unlikely.

    Fixed that for you
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,230
    palarsehater said:

    there looking for 500k we bid 150k,

    thats trying for a british manager and buying british players ticked off in a week.

    Knowing this lot our next bid will be £1.3m then.

  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 96,047
    JiMMy 85 said:

    How often do you hear players say "I heard there was an offer whichever as flattering, but it was when I sat down with the manager and he told me his plans, I knew I wanted to be a part of it" or words to that effect?

    "I sat down with Katrien and as soon as she opened her mouth I knew I had to sign" seems quite unlikely.

    I dunno... What about Johann this Summer?
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,638
    I get it.
    Any manager is going to want complete control over transfers. Let's sign all the players before we get the manager..... and when he asks for his own the budget is blown. "This is what you've got so get on with it."

    Genius!

    This all points to another network no mark from nowhere turning up to 'coach' the side.

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,426
    JiMMy 85 said:

    How often do you hear players say "I heard there was an offer whichever as flattering, but it was when I sat down with the manager and he told me his plans, I knew I wanted to be a part of it" or words to that effect?

    "I sat down with Katrien and as soon as she opened her mouth I knew I had to sign" seems quite unlikely.

    "I sat down in Katrien's office, but she was at a Daily Telegraph conference, so left and went to another club instead"
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,426
    Redrobo said:

    MuttleyCAFC said:

    500k is a bit steep

    I think he is worth more that £150 though. Offer of between £250 - £350 seems reasonable - but then it is not my money!

    What does our manager think?
    £150k is what Kinsella cost 20 years ago! I would imagine Moncur would cost more than that, bearing in mind football inflation
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    ForeverAddickted said:

    ricky_otto said:

    Looking at signing players without a manager?

    This club is a complete and utter joke.

    Not really as it proves that Chris Wilder was right in wanting written proof he'd have control over signings.

    Instead the club want a DoF style approach where the Manager just deals with training / matchdays
    I remember John Carver dong an interview when he was in 'in charge' at Newcastle. He said he was more than happy to do exactly what you mentioned in your post - only interested in training / match days.

    I believe he was a name mentioned at some point in the last week or so regarding our job.

    Personally I can't see how that can work? Surely the manager should pick the right tools (never a truer discription of players in our case) to do the job.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 96,047
    killerandflash said:

    Redrobo said:

    MuttleyCAFC said:

    500k is a bit steep

    I think he is worth more that £150 though. Offer of between £250 - £350 seems reasonable - but then it is not my money!

    What does our manager think?
    £150k is what Kinsella cost 20 years ago! I would imagine Moncur would cost more than that, bearing in mind football inflation
    Depends if Moncur is better than Kinsella though... the latter went on to have a really successful Premier League career.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 96,047
    ricky_otto said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    ricky_otto said:

    Looking at signing players without a manager?

    This club is a complete and utter joke.

    Not really as it proves that Chris Wilder was right in wanting written proof he'd have control over signings.

    Instead the club want a DoF style approach where the Manager just deals with training / matchdays
    I remember John Carver dong an interview when he was in 'in charge' at Newcastle. He said he was more than happy to do exactly what you mentioned in your post - only interested in training / match days.

    I believe he was a name mentioned at some point in the last week or so regarding our job.

    Personally I can't see how that can work? Surely the manager should pick the right tools (never a truer discription of players in our case) to do the job.
    Is another reason why I hate the DoF role... How can a Manager work with a player if in his own head he's thinking: I didnt sign this kid, I dont even rate him
  • JiMMy 85
    JiMMy 85 Posts: 10,219
    The idea is Carver would say what he needs and it's down to the DoF/ CEO to find a suitable fit. It worked at Newcastle very briefly when they had an amazing run of luck finding French players.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,276
    ricky_otto said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    ricky_otto said:

    Looking at signing players without a manager?

    This club is a complete and utter joke.

    Not really as it proves that Chris Wilder was right in wanting written proof he'd have control over signings.

    Instead the club want a DoF style approach where the Manager just deals with training / matchdays
    I remember John Carver dong an interview when he was in 'in charge' at Newcastle. He said he was more than happy to do exactly what you mentioned in your post - only interested in training / match days.

    And look how well he did for them!
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    JiMMy 85 said:

    The idea is Carver would say what he needs and it's down to the DoF/ CEO to find a suitable fit. It worked at Newcastle very briefly when they had an amazing run of luck finding French players.

    at the time french players were seriously undervalued in the transfer market. Arguably they still are with mahrez and kante being two examples for leicester but it's changed now with PSG's emergence.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,419
    If we know they want £500k then offering £150k is just the kind of bid that's going to piss them off. I get offering less than the asking price, but so much below it is just asking for the selling team to sell to anyone other than you.

    Everyone remembers the Suarez Arsenal saga. Liverpool have since admitted that if Arsenal had taken them to court they would have won, but they were so incensed by Arsenal's mick-taking offer that they were willing to risk it. We're not going to be the only ones in for Moncur so starting off with an annoyingly low bid is hardly going to endear us
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,426
    JiMMy 85 said:

    The idea is Carver would say what he needs and it's down to the DoF/ CEO to find a suitable fit. It worked at Newcastle very briefly when they had an amazing run of luck finding French players.

    Many top clubs rely on an international scouting network to sign their players, rather than the manager/head coach. It worked for a while at Newcastle, and I imagine Athletico Madrid are very happy with their system.

    And managers (e.g. Dowie and Pardew with us) are just us capable of buying complete rubbish.

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