Moncur bid rejected
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And if they asked for 500K, we started at 150K and eventually met in the middle(ish) at 350K, I think that would be tidy business and reasonable approach and outcome from both sides.covered end junior said:I would have thought 500k is probably around about what he's worth, he's a goalscoring midfielder, there aren't many of those about. I can see him going for cheaper though because of the relegation, perhaps 350k-400k.
If 150K is our first and only offer, then they are trying to do it on the cheap. Time will tell.7 -
Not sure Moncur's worth £500k either and imagine he'll go for somewhere in the middle around £300k-£350k
knowing our luck we'll come back in with an accepted offer, that bid will be made public, Sheff Utd match the price and Moncur signs for Sheff Utd just as it looks he was ready to sign for us.1 -
If it came down to a straight fight between the two clubs, our locations might count in our favour this time.MartinCAFC said:Not sure Moncur's worth £500k either and imagine he'll go for somewhere in the middle around £300k-£350k
knowing our luck we'll come back in with an accepted offer, that bid will be made public, Sheff Utd match the price and Moncur signs for Sheff Utd just as it looks he was ready to sign for us.1 -
Well Katriene Meire will probably be looking to relocate the club to the hinterlands of the North, to escape the ungrateful customers.Exiled_Addick said:
If it came down to a straight fight between the two clubs, our locations might count in our favour this time.MartinCAFC said:Not sure Moncur's worth £500k either and imagine he'll go for somewhere in the middle around £300k-£350k
knowing our luck we'll come back in with an accepted offer, that bid will be made public, Sheff Utd match the price and Moncur signs for Sheff Utd just as it looks he was ready to sign for us.0 -
Made public to get other clubs bidding. Can't see him ending up here, seems a few clubs interested - MK Dons and Swindon to name two.
Hope we do sign him, however0 -
Christ, imagine having to choose between living in Milton Keynes or Swindon. Bet he's praying we up our bidalun_addick said:Made public to get other clubs bidding. Can't see him ending up here, seems a few clubs interested - MK Dons and Swindon to name two.
Hope we do sign him, however12 -
Duchatelet's Charlton in underbidding & trying to pay less than the going rate for British player shock.8
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And club stability may well work against us? Sadly........Exiled_Addick said:
If it came down to a straight fight between the two clubs, our locations might count in our favour this time.MartinCAFC said:Not sure Moncur's worth £500k either and imagine he'll go for somewhere in the middle around £300k-£350k
knowing our luck we'll come back in with an accepted offer, that bid will be made public, Sheff Utd match the price and Moncur signs for Sheff Utd just as it looks he was ready to sign for us.1 -
If you count acting managers, since Warnock left in 2007 Sheff U have had 11 managers so hardly a model of stability themselves.T.C.E said:
And club stability may well work against us? Sadly........Exiled_Addick said:
If it came down to a straight fight between the two clubs, our locations might count in our favour this time.MartinCAFC said:Not sure Moncur's worth £500k either and imagine he'll go for somewhere in the middle around £300k-£350k
knowing our luck we'll come back in with an accepted offer, that bid will be made public, Sheff Utd match the price and Moncur signs for Sheff Utd just as it looks he was ready to sign for us.1 -
Now you're being REALLY silly, Dippy !Dippenhall said:If we had a manager he could assess wether he could increase his value by good coaching and his worth compared to players we are keeping.
£500k will be covered many times by the player sales and any payment above market value is simply risking a slight loss if he cannot be sold on for at least £500k.
If Roly wants to use player sales to minimise operating losses at the expense of not getting promoted then he will be looking to get every player replacement on the cheap.
If our current squad is worth £11m, the new squad will inevitable be worth less, say £5.5m. Whatever is the reduction in squad value, that amount goes to Staprix as cash against the money to cover operating losses.
Don't know what the average squad value is in League 1, is it the intention to use this as a benchmark in assembling a squad?.
These are the sort of questions we should be able to get answers to.
We are told the objective is to get promotion. Has the objective to break even be adjusted? If not how will a competitive squad for promotion be financed, given losses are presumably assumed to increase. How will the League 1 rules be met and the balance between loads and equity managed?
Instead of cheap words can we please have an insight into what ACTIONS are planned to deliver objectives and the specific challenges of life in League 1, or is that just too much communication.
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Jackson said something about being involved in identifying the right players etc - every chance he's doing exactly that.Henry Irving said:Good news. We've supposedly made a bid for an English player who did well in the league we're going to playing in next season.
First bid turned down isn't a surprise, sure that happens all the time.
Agent or Colchester leak the news to start a bidding scuffle (can't really call it a war at this level), sure that happens all the time too.
Test now is will we go back in with an higher offer. Goal scoring attacking young midfielder who is young and lives locally. Perfect if we can agree a fee and wages.
All the issues about no coach/manager/Dir of Football are valid but I was told Wilder had given KM a list of players he wanted so either we're going on that or Simon Clark is, as the only remaining part of the coaching team, calling the shots.0 -
If £150k isn't enough then our next offer could be £150k and a badly damaged sofa.2
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'We tried getting an English manager and an English player. But the fans must realise, it's not simple. So we went for Belgian.'2
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How many Arsenal players are out of contract?rikofold said:
Jackson said something about being involved in identifying the right players etc - every chance he's doing exactly that.Henry Irving said:Good news. We've supposedly made a bid for an English player who did well in the league we're going to playing in next season.
First bid turned down isn't a surprise, sure that happens all the time.
Agent or Colchester leak the news to start a bidding scuffle (can't really call it a war at this level), sure that happens all the time too.
Test now is will we go back in with an higher offer. Goal scoring attacking young midfielder who is young and lives locally. Perfect if we can agree a fee and wages.
All the issues about no coach/manager/Dir of Football are valid but I was told Wilder had given KM a list of players he wanted so either we're going on that or Simon Clark is, as the only remaining part of the coaching team, calling the shots.
Saw that Rosicky and Arteta are leaving, could do a job.4 -
Offer them jobs as player manager and player assistant manager!0
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Pop him in the box over there will you,with Delort,Gradel,Judge and the others.3
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I predict he will go for £300k.
Not necessarily to us.0 -
Going by some of the stuff I've bought off eBay the sofa is "slightly used" right?se9addick said:If £150k isn't enough then our next offer could be £150k and a badly damaged sofa.
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Yes, Rosicky would massively increase the quality of our injured playersLeeds_Addick said:
How many Arsenal players are out of contract?rikofold said:
Jackson said something about being involved in identifying the right players etc - every chance he's doing exactly that.Henry Irving said:Good news. We've supposedly made a bid for an English player who did well in the league we're going to playing in next season.
First bid turned down isn't a surprise, sure that happens all the time.
Agent or Colchester leak the news to start a bidding scuffle (can't really call it a war at this level), sure that happens all the time too.
Test now is will we go back in with an higher offer. Goal scoring attacking young midfielder who is young and lives locally. Perfect if we can agree a fee and wages.
All the issues about no coach/manager/Dir of Football are valid but I was told Wilder had given KM a list of players he wanted so either we're going on that or Simon Clark is, as the only remaining part of the coaching team, calling the shots.
Saw that Rosicky and Arteta are leaving, could do a job.7 -
I imagine this is the way most clubs work but it's only fair that the manager / head coach has the final say.JiMMy 85 said:The idea is Carver would say what he needs and it's down to the DoF/ CEO to find a suitable fit. It worked at Newcastle very briefly when they had an amazing run of luck finding French players.
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And Arteta, he's spent most of Arsenal career injured as well.killerandflash said:
Yes, Rosicky would massively increase the quality of our injured playersLeeds_Addick said:
How many Arsenal players are out of contract?rikofold said:
Jackson said something about being involved in identifying the right players etc - every chance he's doing exactly that.Henry Irving said:Good news. We've supposedly made a bid for an English player who did well in the league we're going to playing in next season.
First bid turned down isn't a surprise, sure that happens all the time.
Agent or Colchester leak the news to start a bidding scuffle (can't really call it a war at this level), sure that happens all the time too.
Test now is will we go back in with an higher offer. Goal scoring attacking young midfielder who is young and lives locally. Perfect if we can agree a fee and wages.
All the issues about no coach/manager/Dir of Football are valid but I was told Wilder had given KM a list of players he wanted so either we're going on that or Simon Clark is, as the only remaining part of the coaching team, calling the shots.
Saw that Rosicky and Arteta are leaving, could do a job.
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Laughable........how much did we pay Nobby Sarr and the rest of our dream team? and we wont pay more than 150000 for a proven midfielder in the the league we are now in.
Roland and Miere Dumb and Dumber, 30 million into the club so far? A decent normal owner and CEO would of at least got a team into the playoff positions spending that kind of money on the club and player recruitment plus wages.
Bored hearing how much money the idiot Roland has wasted just go you prick.11 -
Or we sign him on an 8 year contract & as he leaves The Valley with the ink still drying he stumbles in a pothole & his leg falls off...daveydanger said:Prediction:
The club (and some fans) will consider £500k to be too much money, we'll miss out on Mocur and he'll go on to be a world-beater worth millions.
That's just how it goes at Charlton these days.3 -
Knowing our luck we'll pay 600k and he'll turn out to be the next Izale McLeodMartinCAFC said:Not sure Moncur's worth £500k either and imagine he'll go for somewhere in the middle around £300k-£350k
knowing our luck we'll come back in with an accepted offer, that bid will be made public, Sheff Utd match the price and Moncur signs for Sheff Utd just as it looks he was ready to sign for us.1 -
All's good. By July we'll be back to signing bargain basement network rejects and continental players whose agents have flattered Meire as to what a great job she is doing. And then the loans start ...0
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He is now a L2 player though.0
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Yep, at long last we're starting our recruitment ahead of schedule.harveys gardener said:He is now a L2 player though.
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It is easy to waste money. I don't see that the debacle that was Narby Sarr is relevant. It was a mistake, clearly someone thought he'd be worth a lot more than that in a few years. Just because we over paid for him doesn't mean we have to offer more than we need to for other players.
Maybe he is worth £500k but there are only a handful of Championship clubs that pay that kind of money for midfielders without Championship experience and League One sides get less than £500k a year in TV money so how can they be expected to sign twenty off players worth £500k each? That's a £10m squad in a division with revenues of about a quarter of that.
Truthfully the reason we are in the mess we are in is because we have overestimated the potential value of most of the players we've signed. Ignore all of the players in our academy when RD arrived and we haven't realised a profit on any player we've signed since he got here. Gudmundsson might be sold for a profit but he was signed on a free and I'm sure his wages have more than made up for that, not to mention signing on fees that 'free transfers' and their agents expect to receive.
If we sign Moncur, who has had one good season and looked good in a relegated side (let's remember that Harriott was their best player for a mile while on loan there) for half a million and we give him close to Championship wages what do we do if it becomes apparent that he is no better than an average League One player and is earning more than anyone else will pay him and his transfer fee is less than half what we paid? I suspect he will then be a much better comparison to Narby Sarr!2 -
Third paragraph down, I wish this was the ONLY reason we are in the mess we are in now.kings hill addick said:It is easy to waste money. I don't see that the debacle that was Narby Sarr is relevant. It was a mistake, clearly someone thought he'd be worth a lot more than that in a few years. Just because we over paid for him doesn't mean we have to offer more than we need to for other players.
Maybe he is worth £500k but there are only a handful of Championship clubs that pay that kind of money for midfielders without Championship experience and League One sides get less than £500k a year in TV money so how can they be expected to sign twenty off players worth £500k each? That's a £10m squad in a division with revenues of about a quarter of that.
Truthfully the reason we are in the mess we are in is because we have overestimated the potential value of most of the players we've signed. Ignore all of the players in our academy when RD arrived and we haven't realised a profit on any player we've signed since he got here. Gudmundsson might be sold for a profit but he was signed on a free and I'm sure his wages have more than made up for that, not to mention signing on fees that 'free transfers' and their agents expect to receive.
If we sign Moncur, who has had one good season and looked good in a relegated side (let's remember that Harriott was their best player for a mile while on loan there) for half a million and we give him close to Championship wages what do we do if it becomes apparent that he is no better than an average League One player and is earning more than anyone else will pay him and his transfer fee is less than half what we paid? I suspect he will then be a much better comparison to Narby Sarr!0 -
From what I have seen of him - I think he is an above average League One sub championship player - who lacks a bit of mobility. In our championship winning season, Powell told us he set out to sign players he thought could do a job in teh Championship - that worked well. I wanted personally put Moncur in that category!1
