Moncur bid rejected

Airman Brown said:

In a proper football club, (say Charlton 2011, just plucking an example out the air, you understand) you give the manager a budget and he and his staff work within those parameters to build the squad he wants, whoever finds the actual players for his consideration. The manager makes the choices within the budget. The problem with buying players without a manager is not so much whether an individual is a good signing, value for money, etc, per se, but that those choices are then being made by someone who is not ultimately accountable for the success of the team and cannot say whether it is the right choice within available resources. Every deal you make in this situation closes down other options.

Yes

Moncur might be a very good player, but SOMEBODY should be looking at our transfer and wages budget (plus incoming fees and salary reductions from sales) and deciding the overall priority. Otherwise you may end up with several top class midfielders, but run out of money for defenders, or end up with players which don't suit your system OR your desired age profile, e.g. if you have a team of youngsters, you may want an old head to play with them. Unless you have unlimited funds, you have to make tough decisions - for example, selling a really good left back because you have cover there, in order to strengthen your attack.

Riga rejected Reece Oxford. Whether we agree with this or not, he rejected him, not because he wasn't a good player, but because he wasn't what Riga thought the team needed, which was demonstrated by him bringing in experienced defenders like Motta and Fanni instead.

The Pardew/Parky team that got relegated was unbalanced, with a notable lack of CBs. The 2015 transfer dealings also left us with a lack of CBs, and after loaning out Harriott, not enough wingers.

T said:

I get the criticism for trying to sign a player without any football infrastructure in place and claiming manager will have control but signing players without one in place.

But i really don't get the criticism of haggling over a price for a player and offering a low fee to test the waters.

I suspect this is just the way it's done. When you make an offer on a house or a car if you start with a cheeky low offer you might get a bargain.

Don't ask, don't get!

Covered End said:

kings hill addick said:

Covered End said:

Any manager would be happy to have Moncur in his squad and it's a nonsense to suggest otherwise.

When you say 'Any Manager' is Pep Guardiola, as we speak, lining up a bid of £50m?

Apologies, I assumed Lifers would understand that I was talking about a League 1 manager & not Champions League managers.

Ok, sorry I missed that as I was previously talking about the Championship as that is where more sides will, realistically, pay £500k for a player with just one good season.

When we start to sell players I think we will get a better idea of player values. If, for example, we sell Cousins for £500k then Moncur will seem very expensive by comparison. If we sell Cousins to a Championship side, for £2.5m, however, then maybe that will start to indicate that £500k for a League One side is 'standard'. I do think that there are only a handful of teams in League One that have ever spent £500k on a midfielder, and probably even less than that that have spent £500k on a midfielder while actually in League One.

Todds_right_hook said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

I reckon Harriott and Jackson would have had a strong influence on going for Moncur.

Harriot because of last years loan, why Jackson? Has he got recent connections with moncur/Colchester or because he is the most experienced on field and off field football person at the club?

Jackson for his experience and position within the club now.

I imagine he'll go in to a coaching role with us once his contract runs out next season.

WestCountryAddick said:

Covered End said:

LargeAddick said:

Covered End said:

Any manager would be happy to have Moncur in his squad and it's a nonsense to suggest otherwise.

why is it? Whomever we appoint may identify a player in League 1 or 2 who he'd prefer and whom he thinks is better. Moncur would then be a bit part player, and unhappy. If we appoint a Manager who does want Moncur then great go for it but I can't see the point in signing someone who may immediately be surplus to the Manager's requirements. Plus it drives a coach and horses through the 'the Manager will have total control over transfers' mantra we keep hearing. Get a Manager, let him get the players HE wants.

The point is, Moncur is a very decent League 1 player and therefore League 1 managers should be happy to have him as part of the squad, as a preference to let's say Pigott as an example.

Whether Moncur was a regular first teamer or a squad member will depend on how he performs.

I agree that it is preferable for the manager to select his own players, but we don't have a manager.

I'd rather we sign some proven League 1 players, if we can, rather than wait until we appoint a new manager and they've all been snapped up & we are left with the equivalent options of Roger Johnson.

I completely see where you are coming from with this, but haven't most fans been arguing for a manager with autonomy who can identify and select his own players?

I have to say I'm torn between both sides here. I would like to believe that there are things going on behind the scenes in terms of management appointments that we just don't know about, but I'm also aware that this regime fail in almost everything they do, so I don't have much hope in that respect.

Clearly they cocked up by not drawing up a proper short-list of potential new managers. They went all out to get Wilder, and failed, for whatever reason, but now they are left floundering with seemingly no clue as where to turn next. As a result we risk being left behind with regards to signing the right players.

I don't know the answer, do we just put all transfers on hold until we get a new manager, or should we be identifying some of the best players in the division and bringing them in with the hope the new manager can use them? It's not an easy decision call IMO.

The alternative of course is we take the Southampton/Swansea route; appoint a Director of Football and work to establish a style of football. Then sign players that fit the style from a list, and appoint a manager who can work within that style, meaning that you always have the right man for the job both from a coaching and playing perspective. But that, much like hiring a manager and giving him autonomy over transfers, would make too much sense, so instead we'll just hire and hope on every level.

Oggy Red said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

I reckon Harriott and Jackson would have had a strong influence on going for Moncur.

Well, Moncur scored a very neat and well taken goal against Charlton in the Cup match - I guess he'd made a good impression on the Charlton coaching staff and players.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35211669#tab-0

Sending these jokers home in a laundry bin and pretty much ending Naby Sarr's Charlton career obviously left a pretty strong impression.

Jacko played for Colchester once

daveydanger said:

https://twitter.com/daveydanger/status/728872502202650624

That was Sarr on a good day.

Starinnaddick said:

Oggy Red said:

Anyway, Moncur must be a good footballer - he came through the West Ham academy.

His dad John was a very aggressive midfielder .

That's an understatement. The blokes a lunatic. Played golf with him before, he got very upset with his clubs a few times.

sammy391 said:

Says a lot when our "top summer transfer target" has just been relegated to league two , and when told to get nearer to the valuation for him (£500k) we just throw another £50k at them!

It's not FIFA or football manager mate, you throw money at them after the first set back and the demands won't stop rising.

uie2 said:

Jacko played for Colchester once

I think it was a few times more than that!

Henry Irving said:

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I pray that the Lord, who gives peace, will always bless you with peace. May the Lord be with all of you too. -Thess 3:16

I think that tells us all we need to know about his transfer to Charlton

Crikey he is proper religious, maybe he will sign for us as a form of Christian Aid.