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Ajose Charltonised?

25 goals last season then he pulls on a Charlton shirt. Missed a couple of really good chances yesterday, to add to even more previously. Charltonisation confirmed?
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  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,819
    Just not quite running for him at the moment, needs a decent run in the side and he'll score

    I really like him
  • Clem_Snide
    Clem_Snide Posts: 11,741
    edited October 2016
    We create very few chances. Slade doesn't set the team up to play to his strengths.

    IMO he will go on a scoring run. Unlucky with the first chance yesterday, but made a real hash of the header. He's going to snatch at chances if he's only getting two a game.
  • cafc4life
    cafc4life Posts: 4,634
    If the lazy Kent moved more, and actually jumped , he may of scored more than he has
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    You can see his frustration when he isn't taking those chances. I think it's a combination of not falling for him at the moment, not playing to his strengths well enough and him knowing we aren't going to create too many good opportunities for him to score.

    He will definitely go on a little run at some point, getting 5/6 in 4 games or so and suddenly he will look a top striker.

    Essentially, we need to be getting the ball into the box more, we need to be getting it into his feet, and he needs to stay between the width of the goal in the box and he will get enough goals to keep people quiet.

    Still expecting him to get around 15-20 this season.
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,972
    He'll come good before Sheff Utd.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Feeding off scraps at moment. Should have had 2 yesterday. I actually think the one that hit the post was a poor miss.

    I'd like to see him put a run of games together and judge him on that. It's been a bit stop start for him.

    No doubt if he scored 4 in 4, Slade would bench him.
  • In regards to the second chance on Saturday...

    How many headers has he actually scored in his career? - Some Strikers are just shite with their head and everytime he jumps for the ball I have no confidence that he'll win one
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600

    In regards to the second chance on Saturday...

    How many headers has he actually scored in his career? - Some Strikers are just shite with their head and everytime he jumps for the ball I have no confidence that he'll win one

    Only one of his goals last season was a header.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278

    In regards to the second chance on Saturday...

    How many headers has he actually scored in his career? - Some Strikers are just shite with their head and everytime he jumps for the ball I have no confidence that he'll win one

    Only one of his goals last season was a header.
    Exactly this, and how many of his goals were from him being around 0-12 yards out somewhere between the posts, probably around 90% I'm guessing? He's a bit of a fox in the box in some respects, needs game time and the goals will come.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278

    Feeding off scraps at moment. Should have had 2 yesterday. I actually think the one that hit the post was a poor miss.

    I'd like to see him put a run of games together and judge him on that. It's been a bit stop start for him.

    No doubt if he scored 4 in 4, Slade would bench him.

    Made me laugh, but so true..

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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    We don't create enough chances, at least not the type he's likely to score from.

    Long balls hoofed to Ajose or Magennis isn't going to help him. Yesterday we passed the ball around but often without any real tempo. If you pass it around slowly the opposition can get back in position and if their sitting deep he's never going to find the space to get in behind.

    I don't think it can be solved just by bringing in a new CM, it's partly down to Slade's cautious style of play.

    He was unlucky to hit the post. We need to create a lot more chances like that.

    Another option is to leave Ajose out, put Botaka on the right and Lookman up front or in behind Magennis.
  • He hasnt hit the ground running as we all hoped he would after his goal tally in this league last year but I like his attitude and if he keeps putting in the effort the goals will come. He's more involved in games than earlier on in the season so is hopefully adapting to our style of play.

    Hopefully he can do a Novak & score against his old club when he returns to Swindon in our next league game.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited October 2016
    Sage said:

    In regards to the second chance on Saturday...

    How many headers has he actually scored in his career? - Some Strikers are just shite with their head and everytime he jumps for the ball I have no confidence that he'll win one

    Only one of his goals last season was a header.
    Exactly this, and how many of his goals were from him being around 0-12 yards out somewhere between the posts, probably around 90% I'm guessing? He's a bit of a fox in the box in some respects, needs game time and the goals will come.
    https://youtu.be/l88qojbpPgw

    couple of individual goals efforts in there, but he is def a poacher - as we saw with his 2 at Walsall.
  • addick05
    addick05 Posts: 2,348
    Thought the game passed round him, looked completely out of it; can't head a ball and yes, he is snatching at chances, although he was unlucky when he hit the post. He needs decent through balls to run on to - which with our centre midfield, aint going to happen. Also when teams come down and put nine men in an around their penalty box it makes it hard for any striker - just look at Man Utd yesterday!
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,075
    We obviously don't play to his strengths but what I've seen so far I haven't been impressed.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,152
    Have a mate who is a die hard Swindon season ticket holder. He said they had to create 10 chances for him to score 1. We create 2 if hes lucky.
  • Missed It
    Missed It Posts: 2,734
    Watching Ajose play gives me Reza flashbacks.
  • uie2
    uie2 Posts: 4,596
    It would help if we played more on the deck football I say!
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Missed It said:

    Watching Ajose play gives me Reza flashbacks.

    He's nowhere near as bad as Reza. He was absolutely shocking.
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    uie2 said:

    It would help if we played more on the deck football I say!

    Don't think so

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  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,236
    I'd be delighted to be proved wrong but he looks like an utter dud to me.
  • I think Ajose plays too far apart from Magennis. In the first half on Saturday he never seemed to be closer than 20m as attacks developed. On the one occasion he got close as Mag received the ball he got a flick on and hit the post. Looking at the goals from last season he is a proximity player, doing well on the scraps and deflections from quality, hard to defend ground balls into the box. If we can improve our delivery and get him tucked in and around Mag I think we may see more out of him.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    3 things to get goals from Ajose:

    1. hardworking strike partner check
    2. Midfielder to barrage shots from range, that he can break onto rebounds.
    3. Quick attacks from midfield.

    The obvious extra 1 - a confident and tactical manager to get the team playing to his strengths.
  • Missed It said:

    Watching Ajose play gives me Reza flashbacks.

    He's nowhere near as bad as Reza. He was absolutely shocking.
    Reza just wasn't suited to the physical side of english football. He's doing fairly well in the Eredivisie which i'd suggest is probably a better level than league one. He scored away at leaders Feyenoord yesterday and has 5 goals in 11 games. Ajose is devoid of confidence and currently doesn't look like he'd get 5 goals all season.
  • daveydanger
    daveydanger Posts: 1,338
    edited October 2016
    This may (hopefully) change, but at the moment he doesn't add anything to general play - no heading, no running at defenders etc. This would be ok if his game was just poaching lots of goals, except he keeps missing most of his chances too.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    edited October 2016

    Missed It said:

    Watching Ajose play gives me Reza flashbacks.

    He's nowhere near as bad as Reza. He was absolutely shocking.
    Reza just wasn't suited to the physical side of english football. He's doing fairly well in the Eredivisie which i'd suggest is probably a better level than league one. He scored away at leaders Feyenoord yesterday and has 5 goals in 11 games. Ajose is devoid of confidence and currently doesn't look like he'd get 5 goals all season.
    The Dutch league, they all play the same way and same type of football. The time on the ball they have over there is so much more in comparison to the English game. The physicality compared, well you just can't compare it.

    Janssen done really well and scored plenty for AZ last season but has struggled to adapt so far for Spurs, I think he will do well for them eventually, but it shows the difference in the leagues.

    Reza didn't suit the English game and we can only judge him on what he has done with us, and for us he wasn't good enough, even with flashes of little quality every so often.

    If Ajose was to go and play in the Dutch league, I am sure he will score plenty of goals himself. To compare him to Reza is silly in my opinion and would seriously be worried if he doesn't reach 5 goals this season when he is already on 3, even if that's a poor return at the moment.

    I am sticking with 15-20 goals this season and him going on a little run at some point, may even start against Swindon, score a couple and he'll be a different player.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    Should've put the first chance away. I actually think missing a chance like that is as bad as screwing up and making an individual mistake that leads to conceding a goal.

    At the moment, I only thing we've got 3 players out of 11 that are promotion winning calibre

    Lookman
    Magennis
    Holmes

    Some of you might tout our centre back partnership of Pearce and Bauer, so at a push 5, 6 if you include Solly who I don't think has really set the world alight this season.

    Definitely not Fox, Ulvestad, Jackson & Crofts or Ajose/Novak. Rudd I'm unsure about.

    So maybe 6 out of 11 that are promotion material plus Slade's seemingly negative tactics/football. You probably won't even make the play offs on that team
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,448
    edited October 2016
    cabbles said:

    Should've put the first chance away. I actually think missing a chance like that is as bad as screwing up and making an individual mistake that leads to conceding a goal.

    At the moment, I only thing we've got 3 players out of 11 that are promotion winning calibre

    Lookman
    Magennis
    Holmes

    Some of you might tout our centre back partnership of Pearce and Bauer, so at a push 5, 6 if you include Solly who I don't think has really set the world alight this season.

    Definitely not Fox, Ulvestad, Jackson & Crofts or Ajose/Novak. Rudd I'm unsure about.

    So maybe 6 out of 11 that are promotion material plus Slade's seemingly negative tactics/football. You probably won't even make the play offs on that team

    In a few weeks Id include Ulvestad as he's created a good amount of goals the last few weeks... Lookman I wouldnt as he's too hot and cold.

    On the basis from Saturday Id definitely say that Bauer and Pearce (the latter won this League last season) are the best Centre Backs in the Division, the problem at the moment is they're taking it in turns to get a niggle, so miss a match which disrupts the back line

    i.e. Until Leon Cort joined the Defence of Hamer / Solly / Morrison / Taylor / Wiggins was ever present and the fact our current Defence is the third best in the League (in terms of goals conceded) says to me the issues with the team arent at the back!!

    Edit: Weve the joint second best Defence with Bradford now, only Bolton are better than us two at the back which says it all about our attack compared with the two teams in 2nd and 3rd
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    edited October 2016
    cabbles said:

    Should've put the first chance away. I actually think missing a chance like that is as bad as screwing up and making an individual mistake that leads to conceding a goal.

    At the moment, I only thing we've got 3 players out of 11 that are promotion winning calibre

    Lookman
    Magennis
    Holmes

    Some of you might tout our centre back partnership of Pearce and Bauer, so at a push 5, 6 if you include Solly who I don't think has really set the world alight this season.

    Definitely not Fox, Ulvestad, Jackson & Crofts or Ajose/Novak. Rudd I'm unsure about.

    So maybe 6 out of 11 that are promotion material plus Slade's seemingly negative tactics/football. You probably won't even make the play offs on that team

    This ^ and in the case of Ajose I really do hope he starts finding the back of the net on a regular basis but the indications so far under Slades style of play are not good. I'd settle for him reaching double figures now if we can't sort the CM issues out.
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 5,982
    What are odds we will get rid of him next summer after a poor season then he will bang in 20+ for the next club he signs for.