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Croydon tram crash

guinnessaddick
guinnessaddick Posts: 28,617
edited November 2016 in Not Sports Related
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37919658

Reports of 5 people dead and the driver arrested.

Thoughts with those involved and their families.
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  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    Reporting 7 dead now.

    Horrible.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,220
    Was due to meet a client in central Croydon today but couldn't get there as tram not running, obviously, and traffic gridlocked.

    Was going to have a moan about being stuck in traffic for 90 mins before having to rescheduled but then found out people had died.

    I can go back tomorrow, they can't. RIP
  • LouisMend
    LouisMend Posts: 5,446
    Horrible stuff.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,991
    Deary me. RIP.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,220
    Also seeing that the driver has been arrested.

    Might be a routine act in such circumstances but not sure.
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    id be interested to know what the driver has been pinched for?
  • I_Saw_Semedo_Score
    I_Saw_Semedo_Score Posts: 1,632
    Very sad news indeed.
  • CAFC Luke
    CAFC Luke Posts: 228
    No one should leave the house and end up not returning home. Terrible news. RIP
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    cafcdave123 said:

    id be interested to know what the driver has been pinched for?

    probably manslaughter?
  • red_murph
    red_murph Posts: 2,460
    Not too far from where I live. Was hoping it was just injuries as reported this morning. RIP
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    Very sad, RIP

    On any other day this would be massive news all over the media
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,150
    Sad indeed, RIP poor people. Wish the injured a speedy recovery.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,350
    Are they not considered one of the safest forms of transport?

    Absolute tragedy unfolding here. RIP
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    kentaddick said:

    cafcdave123 said:

    id be interested to know what the driver has been pinched for?

    probably manslaughter?
    i would have thought that would be decided after an investigation so if it is manslaughter he has done something for them to nick him this early

    (not that any of that is important at the moment in the grand scheme of things)
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,991
    The ITV news just said 5 dead.
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,071
    Very sad news. I use that tram route most days to work so very sobering news. RIP
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    RIP

    Driver arrested
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    There was that crash in Spain where the driver was showing off how fast he was going on social media, then took a bend at more than 2x the speed limit, wonder if this is a similar deal
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    I am pretty sure that some people in the area I used to work will be affected by this, indeed we all are in a way.
    Terrible event, RIP to those who have lost their lives, and best wishes to the very many who will be affected by the ripple effect of this crash.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    cafcdave123 said:

    id be interested to know what the driver has been pinched for?

    It might just be a routine thing now, rather than an indication he did something wrong?
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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    absolutely horrendous .. as bad a disaster as a lot of train crashes .. is there any indication of how fast the tram was moving ? ..
    Just on your way to work on a normal workday and this happens .. FIVE dead and many injured .. TfL has a lot to answer for here ... RIP to the dead and condolences to the injured and bereaved
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited November 2016
    When ever i travel on The Croydon tram, i always believe it is very safe inside but not so much outside as they are so quiet and are going across traffic on many of the various routes between Beckenham and Wimbledon.
    Several incidents over the years in central Croydon with cars and pedestrians.
    Having been in an Train incident(with Loss of life) caused by a driver's failure to apply the brakes in time, i hope the injured get over the Physical and mental trauma which will linger for years to come.

    RIP to the Bereaved and condolences to their Families and friends.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,849
    RIP

    Do you have to be arrested to be formally interviewed under caution as a matter of course ?
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,740
    Lincsaddick said:

    absolutely horrendous .. as bad a disaster as a lot of train crashes .. is there any indication of how fast the tram was moving ? ..
    Just on your way to work on a normal workday and this happens .. FIVE dead and many injured .. TfL has a lot to answer for here ... RIP to the dead and condolences to the injured and bereaved

    A tragedy for sure. Sorry if I have missed it but why does "TFL have a lot to answer for here"?
  • F-Blocker
    F-Blocker Posts: 3,409
    Lincsaddick said:

    absolutely horrendous .. as bad a disaster as a lot of train crashes .. is there any indication of how fast the tram was moving ? ..
    Just on your way to work on a normal workday and this happens .. FIVE dead and many injured .. TfL has a lot to answer for here ... RIP to the dead and condolences to the injured and bereaved

    Why does TfL have a lot to answer for?

    Some "facts" I've picked up from various news sources:
    - The tram overturned on a sharp bend
    - The bend has a 16mph speed limit
    - It was raining quite heavily
    - Driver has been arrested

    I'm no detective, but put the details above together & it's a reasonable supposition that the driver was going too fast around the bend (whether on purpose or due to a mechanical fault, we'll eventually find out).

    On a side note: Ignoring the Charlton stereotypes for a moment, I actually went on a tour of the Croydon tram depot a few months back as I thought it would be interesting to see how it was run. Two of the pieces of insight I took away were that trams are regarded as "road vehicles" (so you're effectively on a bus) and that signals are "advisory rather than mandatory".
  • Redvalleyeast
    Redvalleyeast Posts: 4,689
    Son missed this tram,his usual one,was on the one behind,couldn't get hold of him for ages,horrible. Just found out a mate was on it,got a broken ankle and a bit beaten up but lucky considering the poor souls who lost their lives. RIP. Thoughts with those injured.
  • Brendan_O_Connell
    Brendan_O_Connell Posts: 8,938
    How awful. These poor people were just going about their daily routine (off to work/school etc.)

    RIP
  • LouisMend
    LouisMend Posts: 5,446
    Seems mental in this day and age that dangerous pieces of track, such as a tight bend, are left done purely to human control

    Is there no way to automatically control speed around certain parts of the track?
  • F-Blocker
    F-Blocker Posts: 3,409
    edited November 2016
    LouisMend said:

    Seems mental in this day and age that dangerous pieces of track, such as a tight bend, are left done purely to human control

    Is there no way to automatically control speed around certain parts of the track?

    Unfortunately not. It's completely down to the driver, according to the guy that did my tour
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Shocking. Thoughts with the families of these victims.

    RIP

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