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Much as I loathe Duchatalet and Meire, the former at least is a successful businessman with, presumably, a team of fairly good lawyers, which would make such a blunder unlikely. The latter is a complete idiot, so would be surprised if she even really knows what a director is.Airman Brown said:
I doubt if he could sell the club without the ground and avoid having to agree it with the former directors - I think it would be triggered by change of control regardless. It appears that RD may have bought the club without even understanding the effect of their charge on the assets - certainly Meire didn't fully understand it for some time.RedChaser said:
Me too but it depends what the terms of sale of the.club are, whether it includes the ground, god forbid if RD wants to hold on to it and only lease it to the club.The Red Robin said:I just hope the next owners buy him out and tell him to do one.
If the ground is included in the sale, remember it can only can take place with the former directors agreement to it and anyone of them could block dealings in it .
If it were me I would want my money out but would Murray? who could use this as a bargaining tool for a seat at the top table once again
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I think we all hope Richard Murray lives a long and healthy life. We also thank him for a lot of what he did in the early days. And I suspect the vast majority also believe he was more than used up any reserves of goodwill he built up and that his legacy and image is irrevocably tarnished ... and that he has to go as much as the rest of them.12
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That squad was only a few players off being at least regular play-off contenders. The fact that many of them have gone on to bigger and better clubs and established themselves as competent Championship players is evidence of this. It was obvious to all except the regime that we needed to add to the squad rather than rip it up and start over.kings hill addick said:The irony is that had the right man (or team) been allowed to spend the money on transfers and wages that RD/KM have overseen we might well be in the Premier League now or, more likely, genuinely challenging at the top of he Championship.
I have no idea of Chris Powell's team would have delivered it but my best guess is that he wouldn't have been far off and even if he wasn't able to achieve it I'm sure we could have found much, much better candidates that we have seen come and go.7 -
This all day long, not for one moment was Powell the next Ferguson but I reckon over a couple of season had you have given him £10m to spend to build where we were short of class (and kept the class we had!) we'd have been in the play off's in my view with a decent shot at least of the Premier.kings hill addick said:The irony is that had the right man (or team) been allowed to spend the money on transfers and wages that RD/KM have overseen we might well be in the Premier League now or, more likely, genuinely challenging at the top of he Championship.
I have no idea of Chris Powell's team would have delivered it but my best guess is that he wouldn't have been far off and even if he wasn't able to achieve it I'm sure we could have found much, much better candidates that we have seen come and go.6 -
I thought though that Roland didn't due proper due diligence on purchase, others may be able to answer this better but I thought that was the case.mogodon said:
Much as I loathe Duchatalet and Meire, the former at least is a successful businessman with, presumably, a team of fairly good lawyers, which would make such a blunder unlikely. The latter is a complete idiot, so would be surprised if she even really knows what a director is.Airman Brown said:
I doubt if he could sell the club without the ground and avoid having to agree it with the former directors - I think it would be triggered by change of control regardless. It appears that RD may have bought the club without even understanding the effect of their charge on the assets - certainly Meire didn't fully understand it for some time.RedChaser said:
Me too but it depends what the terms of sale of the.club are, whether it includes the ground, god forbid if RD wants to hold on to it and only lease it to the club.The Red Robin said:I just hope the next owners buy him out and tell him to do one.
If the ground is included in the sale, remember it can only can take place with the former directors agreement to it and anyone of them could block dealings in it .
If it were me I would want my money out but would Murray? who could use this as a bargaining tool for a seat at the top table once again
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Reminds me of an old joke. Richard Murray is in danger of becoming known as "Richard the Goatf@cker"0
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Indeed - Slater's comment that the sale was quick because RD did his own due diligence was telling. It seems quite likely he relied on Meire. I also think his confidence in himself as the supreme being -well, along with Alan Turing - means he feels he doesn't need to focus on minutiae.LargeAddick said:
I thought though that Roland didn't due proper due diligence on purchase, others may be able to answer this better but I thought that was the case.mogodon said:
Much as I loathe Duchatalet and Meire, the former at least is a successful businessman with, presumably, a team of fairly good lawyers, which would make such a blunder unlikely. The latter is a complete idiot, so would be surprised if she even really knows what a director is.Airman Brown said:
I doubt if he could sell the club without the ground and avoid having to agree it with the former directors - I think it would be triggered by change of control regardless. It appears that RD may have bought the club without even understanding the effect of their charge on the assets - certainly Meire didn't fully understand it for some time.RedChaser said:
Me too but it depends what the terms of sale of the.club are, whether it includes the ground, god forbid if RD wants to hold on to it and only lease it to the club.The Red Robin said:I just hope the next owners buy him out and tell him to do one.
If the ground is included in the sale, remember it can only can take place with the former directors agreement to it and anyone of them could block dealings in it .
If it were me I would want my money out but would Murray? who could use this as a bargaining tool for a seat at the top table once again3 -
Ok, that does make sense. Presumably he bought into Meire's own (surprisingly untrue) assessment of her abilities, in which case he deserves everything he gets. Perhaps his leaving her as CEO is a way of punishing her for this?Airman Brown said:
Indeed - Slater's comment that the sale was quick because RD did his own due diligence was telling. It seems quite likely he relied on Meire. I also think his confidence in himself as the supreme being -well, along with Alan Turing - means he feels he doesn't need to focus on minutiae.LargeAddick said:
I thought though that Roland didn't due proper due diligence on purchase, others may be able to answer this better but I thought that was the case.mogodon said:
Much as I loathe Duchatalet and Meire, the former at least is a successful businessman with, presumably, a team of fairly good lawyers, which would make such a blunder unlikely. The latter is a complete idiot, so would be surprised if she even really knows what a director is.Airman Brown said:
I doubt if he could sell the club without the ground and avoid having to agree it with the former directors - I think it would be triggered by change of control regardless. It appears that RD may have bought the club without even understanding the effect of their charge on the assets - certainly Meire didn't fully understand it for some time.RedChaser said:
Me too but it depends what the terms of sale of the.club are, whether it includes the ground, god forbid if RD wants to hold on to it and only lease it to the club.The Red Robin said:I just hope the next owners buy him out and tell him to do one.
If the ground is included in the sale, remember it can only can take place with the former directors agreement to it and anyone of them could block dealings in it .
If it were me I would want my money out but would Murray? who could use this as a bargaining tool for a seat at the top table once again0 -
It's been apparent for a very long time, that Murray remains to feed his ego and his ego is such, that he cares not, that his Charlton reputation is now in tatters.13
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Perhaps the prospect of a sale is quite worrying for Katrien, as proper due diligence will reveal facts that she kept quiet - facts that would drastically alter the valuation? If I remember correctly, there was talk of multiple potential buyers at the time too - could it be that other purchasers had a greater view of the situation, and thus made offers appropriate to these facts? Whilst Roland, blissfully unaware, put in a far higher bid and made it easy for the previous owners to pick?mogodon said:
Ok, that does make sense. Presumably he bought into Meire's own (surprisingly untrue) assessment of her abilities, in which case he deserves everything he gets. Perhaps his leaving her as CEO is a way of punishing her for this?Airman Brown said:
Indeed - Slater's comment that the sale was quick because RD did his own due diligence was telling. It seems quite likely he relied on Meire. I also think his confidence in himself as the supreme being -well, along with Alan Turing - means he feels he doesn't need to focus on minutiae.LargeAddick said:
I thought though that Roland didn't due proper due diligence on purchase, others may be able to answer this better but I thought that was the case.mogodon said:
Much as I loathe Duchatalet and Meire, the former at least is a successful businessman with, presumably, a team of fairly good lawyers, which would make such a blunder unlikely. The latter is a complete idiot, so would be surprised if she even really knows what a director is.Airman Brown said:
I doubt if he could sell the club without the ground and avoid having to agree it with the former directors - I think it would be triggered by change of control regardless. It appears that RD may have bought the club without even understanding the effect of their charge on the assets - certainly Meire didn't fully understand it for some time.RedChaser said:
Me too but it depends what the terms of sale of the.club are, whether it includes the ground, god forbid if RD wants to hold on to it and only lease it to the club.The Red Robin said:I just hope the next owners buy him out and tell him to do one.
If the ground is included in the sale, remember it can only can take place with the former directors agreement to it and anyone of them could block dealings in it .
If it were me I would want my money out but would Murray? who could use this as a bargaining tool for a seat at the top table once again
In fact, @Airman Brown has alluded above that she was unaware about the debentures on The Valley if I read that correctly.. Surely such facts would degrade the valuation?1 -
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The only way he could get closer to Mare would be by sitting on her lap. I don't see and evidence if dissent against the regime here.
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There"s none to see. I'll wish Mureay nothing but good health and long life. However, that was a chance to climb out of the car crash that is Charlton. He chose to stay right in there. Every statement from him backs Roland, and he chooses to sit next to the liathesome Meire. He can spin this how he likes when these people sell up, but he will fool no one except maybe the denizens of SE7 Valiants. Richard Murray is firmly tied to the regime by choice and bad judgement. In the history of the club, he"ll be remembered for that. It's sad as he did good things but it's his decision.12
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He has spoken recently.
At a fans meeting on the 25th it appears.
From what I've read....everything that has come out of his mouth has been a severely strange load of crap.
What has he said in detail and is it as bad as what it sounds?1 -
Murray is a liar, he fits in well with Meire and the SMT.7
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What I can't work out is the amount of mistakes that the regime own up to yet they have Murray on board for advice. After all, it's not as if he is new to the game?2
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The protests are afecting the players. They may say no, but the protests are having an adverse effect. What protests? There is also a stellar quote (I don't know if this is verbatim) below:
"He made the point that in the long-term it is better to have a 'sensible' owner, like RD, because this is likely to lead to consistently sound decision making and a more sustainable operating model."
Given our league position and the importance of a win tomorrow to avoiding getting sucked into a relegation dogfight, I'd say that is pretty bad.5 -
Murray made a few without Varney and Curbs on board tbfcafc999 said:What I can't work out is the amount of mistakes that the regime own up to yet they have Murray on board for advice. After all, it's not as if he is new to the game?
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Murray has backed himself into a corner with no way out. His misplaced pride prevents from admitting he has made a mistake. He therefore, in his own mind, feels he has no option other than to continue backing Duchatelet.1
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"He made the point that in the long-term it is better to have a 'sensible' owner, like RD, because this is likely to lead to consistently sound decision making and a more sustainable operating model."
Just reflect on how far from the reality that statement is. "Having an owner like RD is likely to lead to consistently sound decision making and a more sustainable operating model."
Gobsmacking, really, that anyone could take it seriously in the context of the numbers.22 -
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Roland and Katrien's decision making has most certainly been consistent....consistently s....ken_shabby said:The protests are afecting the players. They may say no, but the protests are having an adverse effect. There is also a stellar quote (I don't know if this is verbatim) below:
"He made the point that in the long-term it is better to have a 'sensible' owner, like RD, because this is likely to lead to consistently sound decision making and a more sustainable operating model."
Given our league position and the importance of a win tomorrow to avoiding getting sucked into a relegation dogfight, I'd say that is pretty bad.2 -
As much of a rat as the rest of them. Well and truly shown his colours. When this mob leave (and the will) I hope he is never welcomed back, he's happy to see us plummet through the leagues, watch over plummeting attendances so we should never welcome him back to our valley.7
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Murray also said something around the protests putting off potential buyers.
I thought the club wasn't for sale?11 -
On reflection , perhaps we should rename RM Mephistopheles who is "trapped in his own hell by serving the Devil " ?7
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ken_shabby said:
The protests are afecting the players. They may say no, but the protests are having an adverse effect. There is also a stellar quote (I don't know if this is verbatim) below:
"He made the point that in the long-term it is better to have a 'sensible' owner, like RD, because this is likely to lead to consistently sound decision making and a more sustainable operating model."
Given our league position and the importance of a win tomorrow to avoiding getting sucked into a relegation dogfight, I'd say that is pretty bad.
Particularly gobsmacked by the 1st one. He is a complete rat.Scoham said:Murray also said something around the protests putting off potential buyers.
I thought the club wasn't for sale?
It all stinks.
The problem is with crap like this, he could actually make a case to back up what he says, in the most minor way possible.
Sounds like, well, mirrors, barmy relentless stubborn beliefs of narcissistic politicians that everybody laughs at but they don't care.0 -
Coward. Will he be attending the Trust meeting on the 25th?0
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That's even more gobsmacking. Don't think it put off Mr Varney, did it.Scoham said:Murray also said something around the protests putting off potential buyers.
I thought the club wasn't for sale?2 -
Murray has backed the wrong horse to get his £2m back but perhaps he now feels it's better the devil you know. Furthermore being at the club's 'top table' is like a drug to him which he just can't do without.
Sad that his relationship with Charlton following his altercation with tango man will leave such a sour taste in the mouths of many.2 -
Ha ha yes, well I haven't been since Burnley but a few pigs apart I understand there hasn't been much in the way of match protests because we're all boycotting you stupid old fool (murray not ScohamScoham said:Murray also said something around the protests putting off potential buyers.
I thought the club wasn't for sale?
) I really do think that his mind is so befuddled that he really believes people take him seriously & Card etc will disintegrate in the belief that we all think that then a buyer will come in & rescue us because he said so 
while the liars can sit back without any nasties shouting abuse. 0 -
Heard a few weeks ago that he's got all the clear and has also sold his shares in his company and made a nice profit.
https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/southeast/avesco-agrees-to-124m-takeover-offer
http://www.lse.co.uk/AllNews.asp?code=z7wyxt0p&headline=Avesco_Agrees_GBP124_Million_Takeover_Offer_From_NEP_Group1
