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Steven Gerrard Retires
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Look I'm not saying he's rubbish or that he didn't have an impressive career. I was responding to "was he overrated?" and to me the answer is yes. He was a very good player but he had his limitations.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
You're spot on there. He struggled and failed to adjust so much he was restricted to only appearing 710 times for them.SDAddick said:
Agreed. Never had any tactical understanding or positional discipline. It's why Rafa played him as a #10 and he had the most successful spell of his career with a free role and the brilliant double pivot of Mascherano and Xabi Alonso behind him. Was the third best midfielder in that midfield and no one fawned nearly as much over Alonso or Mascherano at the time.SELR_addicks said:Made his teams worse by trying to do everything himself.
Good player but could've been even better with some discipline.
Good player, but like Michael Owen, born 10-15 years too late. The Roy of the Rovers (Robson) type midfielder, like the goal poacher, had all but been eradicated from the top level of the game by the time he hit his peak. And like Owen, he never adjusted.
Very good player who provided some great moments. THAT goal against Pards' West Ham in the FA Cup final. That night in Instanbul.1 -
Great footballer. I can't believe the crap some are saying here.
Steven Gerrard at his peak was fucking brilliant.
If you can't see that THEN PLEASE STOP WATCHING FOOTBALL NOW AS IT IS A WASTE OF TIME.
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to be fair to him, it must be hard to concentrate on your football when your wife if getting pumped by a drug dealerSDAddick said:
Look I'm not saying he's rubbish or that he didn't have an impressive career. I was responding to "was he overrated?" and to me the answer is yes. He was a very good player but he had his limitations.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
You're spot on there. He struggled and failed to adjust so much he was restricted to only appearing 710 times for them.SDAddick said:
Agreed. Never had any tactical understanding or positional discipline. It's why Rafa played him as a #10 and he had the most successful spell of his career with a free role and the brilliant double pivot of Mascherano and Xabi Alonso behind him. Was the third best midfielder in that midfield and no one fawned nearly as much over Alonso or Mascherano at the time.SELR_addicks said:Made his teams worse by trying to do everything himself.
Good player but could've been even better with some discipline.
Good player, but like Michael Owen, born 10-15 years too late. The Roy of the Rovers (Robson) type midfielder, like the goal poacher, had all but been eradicated from the top level of the game by the time he hit his peak. And like Owen, he never adjusted.
Very good player who provided some great moments. THAT goal against Pards' West Ham in the FA Cup final. That night in Instanbul.0 -
Stevie G was a highlight so often when forced to watch Liverpool games with my Liverpool supporting (non-scouse) house mates.
In some situations he was amazing. He never really achieved on the big stages like he would have wanted, never really struck me as a guy who upped his game there, more got concerned about being able to deliver on that stage
Still think he was a great midfielder, definitely world class. Would have been in many world 11 for 5-6 years maybe? That's exceptional.1 -
Everyone's entitled to an opinion, i just don't get what you meant by "he failed to adjust". He was a defensive midfielder when he first came through so he adjusted pretty well to become the footballer he did. If there was a vote he'd probably only be behind Dalglish as Liverpool's greatest ever player and considering the players they've had in their history that's not bad.SDAddick said:
Look I'm not saying he's rubbish or that he didn't have an impressive career. I was responding to "was he overrated?" and to me the answer is yes. He was a very good player but he had his limitations.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
You're spot on there. He struggled and failed to adjust so much he was restricted to only appearing 710 times for them.SDAddick said:
Agreed. Never had any tactical understanding or positional discipline. It's why Rafa played him as a #10 and he had the most successful spell of his career with a free role and the brilliant double pivot of Mascherano and Xabi Alonso behind him. Was the third best midfielder in that midfield and no one fawned nearly as much over Alonso or Mascherano at the time.SELR_addicks said:Made his teams worse by trying to do everything himself.
Good player but could've been even better with some discipline.
Good player, but like Michael Owen, born 10-15 years too late. The Roy of the Rovers (Robson) type midfielder, like the goal poacher, had all but been eradicated from the top level of the game by the time he hit his peak. And like Owen, he never adjusted.
Very good player who provided some great moments. THAT goal against Pards' West Ham in the FA Cup final. That night in Instanbul.0 -
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
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Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips2 -
Eh?SDAddick said:
Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips8 -
would that be ignoring position, just best ten OR a place in the best ever team?hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
either way, IMHO, you cannot claim either "no doubt"
not saying you are wrong just that by looking at this thread alone there are quite a few doubts.2 -
ForeverAddickted said:
Eh?SDAddick said:
Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips
don't worry, he means Bradley not Shaun
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Football, at its best, is about speed, precision, and deception. SWP, in his prime, had two of those. His pace was never in doubt, but he also had such beautiful deception in that you never knew where he was going to go with the ball. Neither did he. His first touch was so bad it was brilliant. It was like its own dummy. It could go anywhere, and so could he. A modern masterpiece unappreciated in his own lifetime.ForeverAddickted said:
Eh?SDAddick said:
Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips7 -
Trouble is though, all the other names have all had consistent careers.SDAddick said:
Football, at it's best, is about speed, precision, and deception. SWP, in his prime, had two of those. His pace was never in doubt, but he also had such beautiful deception in that you never knew where he was going to go with the ball. Neither did he. His first touch was so bad it was brilliant. It was like its own dummy. It could go anywhere, and so could he. A modern masterpiece unappreciated in his own lifetime.ForeverAddickted said:
Eh?SDAddick said:
Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips
Shaun Wright-Phillips was good when he broke through at City yet was never able to backup his performances every week - His goal record especially is extremely poor seeing he only ever broke into double figures the once.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Wright-Phillips#Career_statistics1 -
Apples and oranges. How many of those are box to box midfielders? Viera, Toure err... that's it. SG at his peak was far better than both of those.SDAddick said:
Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips0 -
Patrick Vieira wasnt a Box2Box Midfielder... I always thought he was Defensive?bobmunro said:
Apples and oranges. How many of those are box to box midfielders? Viera, Toure err... that's it. SG at his peak was far better than both of those.SDAddick said:
Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips
Dont forget Frank Lampard though, I know its the old English question but his scoring record from Midfield was excellent for Chelsea.2 -
How can anyone say he's overrated when he has won all the individual awards I listed, with alot of those awards voted by from fellow pro's who play against him, not to mention the domestic and european cups he won with his teams.1
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Sorry FA always hard to convey tone over interwebs/text my comments are VERY tongue-in-cheekForeverAddickted said:
Trouble is though, all the other names have all had consistent careers.SDAddick said:
Football, at it's best, is about speed, precision, and deception. SWP, in his prime, had two of those. His pace was never in doubt, but he also had such beautiful deception in that you never knew where he was going to go with the ball. Neither did he. His first touch was so bad it was brilliant. It was like its own dummy. It could go anywhere, and so could he. A modern masterpiece unappreciated in his own lifetime.ForeverAddickted said:
Eh?SDAddick said:
Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips
Shaun Wright-Phillips was good when he broke through at City yet was never able to backup his performances every week - His goal record especially is extremely poor seeing he only ever broke into double figures the once.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Wright-Phillips#Career_statistics
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Bob-Disagree! Vieira and Yaya at their peak were better, more all-around gifted footballers. They both let their careers linger a bit, but at their peak both were absolutely unplayable.1 -
Better than Toure, Alonso, Pires, Drogba. Didn't see enough of Bergkamp/Petit but I'm pretty sure most would have him above Petit at least.SDAddick said:
Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips
Gerrard gets more criticism than most for being inconsistent but players like Drogba/Alonso/Toure are equally prime candidates of that. Alonso had a season that made Rafa consider replacing him with Gareth Barry...
Some players get reminisced over more than others and for whatever reason Gerrard isn't, he was an absolute joy to watch at his peak from about 2006-2011.0 -
Yeah I posted my comment and then read yours back and realised.SDAddick said:
Sorry FA always hard to convey tone over interwebs/text my comments are VERY tongue-in-cheekForeverAddickted said:
Trouble is though, all the other names have all had consistent careers.SDAddick said:
Football, at it's best, is about speed, precision, and deception. SWP, in his prime, had two of those. His pace was never in doubt, but he also had such beautiful deception in that you never knew where he was going to go with the ball. Neither did he. His first touch was so bad it was brilliant. It was like its own dummy. It could go anywhere, and so could he. A modern masterpiece unappreciated in his own lifetime.ForeverAddickted said:
Eh?SDAddick said:
Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips
Shaun Wright-Phillips was good when he broke through at City yet was never able to backup his performances every week - His goal record especially is extremely poor seeing he only ever broke into double figures the once.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Wright-Phillips#Career_statistics.
Bob-Disagree! Vieira and Yaya at their peak were better, more all-around gifted footballers. They both let their careers linger a bit, but at their peak both were absolutely unplayable.1 -
When he was younger he was far more B2B. His legs went relatively young, so by his late 20s he was far more defensive.ForeverAddickted said:
Patrick Vieira wasnt a Box2Box Midfielder... I always thought he was Defensive?bobmunro said:
Apples and oranges. How many of those are box to box midfielders? Viera, Toure err... that's it. SG at his peak was far better than both of those.SDAddick said:
Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips
Dont forget Frank Lampard though, I know its the old English question but his scoring record from Midfield was excellent for Chelsea.1 -
We agree to disagreeSDAddick said:
Sorry FA always hard to convey tone over interwebs/text my comments are VERY tongue-in-cheekForeverAddickted said:
Trouble is though, all the other names have all had consistent careers.SDAddick said:
Football, at it's best, is about speed, precision, and deception. SWP, in his prime, had two of those. His pace was never in doubt, but he also had such beautiful deception in that you never knew where he was going to go with the ball. Neither did he. His first touch was so bad it was brilliant. It was like its own dummy. It could go anywhere, and so could he. A modern masterpiece unappreciated in his own lifetime.ForeverAddickted said:
Eh?SDAddick said:
Again, not saying he wasn't good. But he wasn't THAT good. Top of my head:hudson-son-son said:
Equally underrated because people think he's overrated and take it too far. One of the top 10 players to play in the Premier League no doubt.dizzee said:Overrated because he was English.
Bergkamp, Henry, Drogba, Aguero, Pires, Vieira, Petit, Ronaldo, Toure, Tevez, Alonso, Shearer, Scholes, Ferdinand, Wright-Phillips
Shaun Wright-Phillips was good when he broke through at City yet was never able to backup his performances every week - His goal record especially is extremely poor seeing he only ever broke into double figures the once.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Wright-Phillips#Career_statistics.
Bob-Disagree! Vieira and Yaya at their peak were better, more all-around gifted footballers. They both let their careers linger a bit, but at their peak both were absolutely unplayable. 1 - Sponsored links:
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Toure better than Gerrard hahahahahahahahaha
I think we can just stop right there.5 -
I don't like Steve Gerard much. His face, permanently screwed up in disgust, and his complete lack of a sense of humour turn me off. But I honestly believe he is second only to Paul Scholes in terms of the most talented Englishmen I've ever seen. I've never understood the criticism.
His positional sense wasn't quite as bad as it's made out, his right foot was so good I don't give a monkeys what his left was like. And he delivered for England regularly too.1 -
Great player with a never say die attitude. Fantastic captain for Liverpool.0
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the golden generation personified - ridiculously talented, but bottled it when his moment came (with the exception of the last minute fa cup final equaliser, that was special).
Always preferred gerrard to lampard though.0 -
Individual awards won't replace the lack of Premier League medals or top 4 finishes with his team.C_Jensens_Love_Child said:How can anyone say he's overrated when he has won all the individual awards I listed, with alot of those awards voted by from fellow pro's who play against him, not to mention the domestic and european cups he won with his teams.
Also won't replace all of his poor performances for England.
He's basically the definition of a highlight reel player. Some great goals and performances, but always interesting how they were usually from 1 or 2 nil down...1 -
One of the best players I've seen at the Valley, was a in a different league to everybody else on the pitch.1
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Probably because he was too loyal for his own good. He played with some real shit at Liverpool. Notice how he had a very good footballing relationship with real class like Torres and Suarez.SELR_addicks said:
Individual awards won't replace the lack of Premier League medals or top 4 finishes with his team.C_Jensens_Love_Child said:How can anyone say he's overrated when he has won all the individual awards I listed, with alot of those awards voted by from fellow pro's who play against him, not to mention the domestic and european cups he won with his teams.
Also won't replace all of his poor performances for England.
He's basically the definition of a highlight reel player. Some great goals and performances, but always interesting how they were usually from 1 or 2 nil down...0 -
Some real shit like sharing a midfield with Mascherano and Xabi Alonso? He's the worst player of the 3 by the way.ValleyGary said:
Probably because he was too loyal for his own good. He played with some real shit at Liverpool. Notice how he had a very good footballing relationship with real class like Torres and Suarez.SELR_addicks said:
Individual awards won't replace the lack of Premier League medals or top 4 finishes with his team.C_Jensens_Love_Child said:How can anyone say he's overrated when he has won all the individual awards I listed, with alot of those awards voted by from fellow pro's who play against him, not to mention the domestic and european cups he won with his teams.
Also won't replace all of his poor performances for England.
He's basically the definition of a highlight reel player. Some great goals and performances, but always interesting how they were usually from 1 or 2 nil down...3 -
You've named two. The next best is probably Jordan Henderson or Hamann.SELR_addicks said:
Some real shit like sharing a midfield with Mascherano and Xabi Alonso? He's the worst player of the 3 by the way.ValleyGary said:
Probably because he was too loyal for his own good. He played with some real shit at Liverpool. Notice how he had a very good footballing relationship with real class like Torres and Suarez.SELR_addicks said:
Individual awards won't replace the lack of Premier League medals or top 4 finishes with his team.C_Jensens_Love_Child said:How can anyone say he's overrated when he has won all the individual awards I listed, with alot of those awards voted by from fellow pro's who play against him, not to mention the domestic and european cups he won with his teams.
Also won't replace all of his poor performances for England.
He's basically the definition of a highlight reel player. Some great goals and performances, but always interesting how they were usually from 1 or 2 nil down...
Igor Biscan, Salif Diao, Smicer, Luis Garcia, Murphy, Le Tallec, Cheyrou, McAllister, Spearing, Lucas, Charlie Adam.3 -
Fantastic player who had a bit of everything. Dying breed.0
