Getting To Know The Network (4 Part Radio Documentary) (31/1 Part 3, pg. 17)
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Still trying to remember if Butt & Scholes lined up in a midfield diamond when England played Spain in 2001 (and SCP made his England debut).soapboxsam said:Duchatelet explaining 4-4-2 to Chris Powell;
Surreal, Bizarre and Unique.
Tutt-Tutt Roland.
Have a feeling Sven didn't experiment with the diamond until the run up to the 2006 WC, when Lamps & Gerrard were the partnership in central midfield.0 -
I am very angry but I always knew Powell was telling the truth. It doesn't matter what you think of Powell, these e-mails should prove to those who are more neutral to Duchatelet that he is a liar and incompetent when it comes to football.
Have Talk Sport had a bite at this? I mean a few weeks ago Meire was on there telling them that the network didn't interfere with managers. They should invite her back on to explain and if she declines should tell everybody she has declined.
When she has one of her staged meetings with fans - somebody needs to ask her about this. It would be good to se how she squirms out of it!
The LIARS have to go.21 -
Makes some comment about how the "normal" fans thinks decisions were right.JollyRobin said:Interview with RD in response to the emails. Can this be translated by anyone?
Google Translate doesn't really help, but the gist I'm getting is that RD claims Powell was never under any obligation, and that the emails were just providing advice. And then he goes on to talk about how Riga managed a higher average points per game that Chris Powell did, justifying the decision to sack Powell.
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20161130_02601441
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Listened to the first episode last night - really well put together.
I have a feeling that parts 3&4 may have to be reworked following the reaction from the first half.0 -
Yer, I'm thinking that one might be lost in translation though. I don't want to start accusing him of things, and starting rumours without a fluent speaker translating it properly first.WSS said:
Makes some comment about how the "normal" fans thinks decisions were right.JollyRobin said:Interview with RD in response to the emails. Can this be translated by anyone?
Google Translate doesn't really help, but the gist I'm getting is that RD claims Powell was never under any obligation, and that the emails were just providing advice. And then he goes on to talk about how Riga managed a higher average points per game that Chris Powell did, justifying the decision to sack Powell.
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20161130_026014412 -
He's a real f*cking piece of sh!t isn't he?WSS said:
Makes some comment about how the "normal" fans thinks decisions were right.JollyRobin said:Interview with RD in response to the emails. Can this be translated by anyone?
Google Translate doesn't really help, but the gist I'm getting is that RD claims Powell was never under any obligation, and that the emails were just providing advice. And then he goes on to talk about how Riga managed a higher average points per game that Chris Powell did, justifying the decision to sack Powell.
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20161130_02601441"The emails are authentic and thus were leaked by Powell" Duchâtelet says in a comment. "Powell was at that time about last. Apparently he finds it outrageous that the boss of a club that last condition gives good advice from his coach. "
No, Roland. He finds it outrageous that the "boss of a club" was giving bloody obvious advice to a well respected football pro. He probably found it outrageous that this advice was being sourced from some kid with a laptop who watched a live stream or two.
In what way, shape or form was it OK to try and explain 4-4-2 to someone of Powell's stature? Blimey, nearly every nutcase and fruitloop on CharltonLife could give a better explanation of the one that was hashed out in that email. It wasn't simply condescending, nor was it simply misguided - it was downright offensive, and arguably a form of constructive dismissal."If you read the emails, it just comes to advice and there is nowhere to be found an obligation. We finally Powell let go early. José Riga then pulled out immediately with supposedly poor players of the network an average of 1.5 points per game. Powell shrugged before less than 1 point per game. More than 50 percent better so with inferior players."
Really? I seem to remember Jose Riga's favoured starting 11 was predominantly Powell's squad, perhaps with Astrit thrown in a few times. I suggest you check your spreadsheets again, you cretin.20 -
Was going to save this for tonight's show but since RD has now commented and accused Powell on record of leaking the emails, Jimmy tells us during our interview last night that it wasn't Powell who leaked them.
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Think the Google Translate is more than adequate to understand what Roland's saying. Disgraceful.JollyRobin said:Interview with RD in response to the emails. Can this be translated by anyone?
Google Translate doesn't really help, but the gist I'm getting is that RD claims Powell was never under any obligation, and that the emails were just providing advice. And then he goes on to talk about how Riga managed a higher average points per game that Chris Powell did, justifying the decision to sack Powell.
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20161130_02601441
"We finally Powell let go early. José Riga then pulled out immediately with supposedly poor players of the network an average of 1.5 points per game. Powell shrugged before less than 1 point per game. More than 50 percent better so with inferior players. "
I don't recall Riga having to play Thuram, or Koc, or Piotr, or Nego. He kept us up with what was left of Powell's team, but presumably without having to deal with a senile lunatic phoning and emailing everyday to pass on his own tactical wisdom and the advice of a 26 year old Championship Manager addict.
"If you read the emails, it just comes to advice and there is nowhere to be found an obligation."
Liar. "Advice" as in "I advise you to do what I say if you want to keep your job".10 -
I agree, that the bit about "normal" fans seems quite unclear. The rest of it is quite a plausible response though.JollyRobin said:
Yer, I'm thinking that one might be lost in translation though. I don't want to start accusing him of things, and starting rumours without a fluent speaker translating it properly first.WSS said:
Makes some comment about how the "normal" fans thinks decisions were right.JollyRobin said:Interview with RD in response to the emails. Can this be translated by anyone?
Google Translate doesn't really help, but the gist I'm getting is that RD claims Powell was never under any obligation, and that the emails were just providing advice. And then he goes on to talk about how Riga managed a higher average points per game that Chris Powell did, justifying the decision to sack Powell.
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20161130_02601441
It's an interesting strategy though: why only respond to the native media in your home country, and not the media where the controversy is actually happening? Is this another sign of Roland's insecurity with his image at home in Belgium?6 -
He's wobbling.
Yesterday the club said it doesn't comment on private emails and then....WHAM!56 - Sponsored links:
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So much for "we don't comment on private emails" then.
Another lie.
But since Duchatelet has done it nothing to stop Meire doing the same.
He can try and justify his actions but anyone but the most blinkered will see it as wrong so I expect Bexleyboy to repeat RD's words as his own wisdom very very soon.5 -
I have asked people on /r/translate on reddit to provide a translation if they can.
If people show that it's a popular cause and upvote it may improve our chances of getting it translated.
https://www.reddit.com/r/translator/comments/5fvuzv/dutchflemish_england_interview_with_charlton/7 -
So he's undermined his new head of comms already? Is that a record compared to the last?WSS said:He's wobbling.
Yesterday the club said it doesn't comment on private emails and then....WHAM!
Agreed, he's wobbling need to get more exposure in Belgian media
Pigs on the pitch at Sttv?
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Yes definitely. I think he should publically apologise to Powell!LouisMend said:Was going to save this for tonight's show but since RD has commented and accused Powell on record of leaking the emails, Jimmy tells us during our interview that it wasn't Powell who leaked them.
Defamation of character?
By the way - does even one Lifer believe that Thuram was better than our keepers at the time?3 -
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20161130_02601441?utm_source=facebookJollyRobin said:I have asked people on /r/translate on reddit to provide a translation if they can.
If people show that it's a popular cause and upvote it may improve our chances of getting it translated.
https://www.reddit.com/r/translator/comments/5fvuzv/dutchflemish_england_interview_with_charlton/0 -
I think Belgium media is the key, he hates being embarrassed in his own country.32
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Here's hoping he hits the special brew hard at lunch, and someone gives him the password for the OS again...
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The more Duchatelet comes out with, the more obvious it is that he is an idiot. On what planet would any of his email have been useful to a junior coach, never mind someone with badges and three years' management experience? Is he so thick that he doesn't realise the "quality" players he sent were also left out by Riga?
What he will know, however, is that there are more emails . . .79 -
Exactly this. Once again, news hits Belgium, he responds. Every fucking time.All_Thaid_Up said:I think Belgium media is the key, he hates being embarrassed in his own country.
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Nice idea. If there's no responses before lunch then I'll ping it over to my Belgian mate, along with the Google Translate version, and see if he can spot on any major issues.JollyRobin said:I have asked people on /r/translate on reddit to provide a translation if they can.
If people show that it's a popular cause and upvote it may improve our chances of getting it translated.
https://www.reddit.com/r/translator/comments/5fvuzv/dutchflemish_england_interview_with_charlton/
He's the one with the links to Standard Liege via his Sports Lawyer brother-in-law. He often asks about how things are going against Roland, and I'm sure his brother in law would be interested in the latest developments too. The BIL was very clued up about Charlton, able to rattle off attendances and transfer movements better than even I could to be entirely honest.3 - Sponsored links:
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FFS Chris Parkes is not the enemy. These post regime threats of a vendetta demean the campaign and those associated with it. Whether you like it or not we need people who as you say "works hard and has done good for the club ".Sage said:
Agreed. Chris Parkes is as bad as anyone else, I'm not doubting he works hard and has done good for the club in the past, but now, he's just the same as any of them.Airman Brown said:
Don't hold your breath.Bangkokaddick said:After his name was mentioned I was hoping for an interview with Chris Parkes. Of course that couldn't happen. It does make you wonder what he may have to say when he eventually leaves CAFC (unless Sue gags him!).
If you can't make your wife aware that what she is doing on Facebook and everything is damaging the club's relationship with its own fans and his reputation, he clearly agrees with what she says and does.
The moment they sell, every single one of them needs to go. Wipe it clean. New owner, new Chairman, new CEO, new COO, new secretary, new secretary wife...
These exclusives have shown just what this regime is even more, they've never cared and there has to be an ulterior motive.
The anger I have towards them is too much and this confirms all of what we have been saying for too long.
I want the team to do well, Jacko and Solly at least deserve that too, but we need to do whatever it takes now to force this hell out of our club.
The work so far has been incredible and immensely proud of everyone and being a Charlton supporter because of it. Once again we have shown the footballing world that we are something very special.
We won the battles in the past, things may have been very hard and took a while, and that is clearly the same with this situation. But be rest assured, we will win this one too.9 -
I don't think he is an idiot or thick, but as nut job up his own arse with the blinkered arrogance of an unfettered entrepreneur!Airman Brown said:The more Duchatelet comes out with, the more obvious it is that he is an idiot. On what planet would any of his email have been useful to a junior coach, never mind someone with badges and three years' management experience? Is he so thick that he doesn't realise the "quality" players he sent were also left out by Riga?
What he will know, however, is that there are more emails . . .4 -
He certainly isn't the enemy. That some will be angry with him is natural in a situation like this. To me it doesn't matter what his views are - he is entitled to hold them. I wouldn't want his position to be compromised. But his wife and son are not doing him any favours. That is just a fact!13
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It's seems counter-intuitive doesn't it?RedPanda said:I've skipped to part 2. It really emphasises the authority that Driesen had/has. Peeters called him "the boss" whilst Polish Pete sounds like he understands football better than Driesen.
How the **** can someone supposedly so successful and intelligent rely on the opinion of a no-mark teenager with literally no experience in the industry? I'm surprised we lasted as long in the Championship as we did.
I think though it's actually not.
We make decisions emotionally/on gut feel what we then do is look for the evidence/justification to back that up.
I think Roland has a gut feeling that football can be run better by pooling resources both in coaching, scouting and playing staffs and that will bring financial returns. What he has then done is surround himself with those who can back up/act upon his gut feeling.
Clearly he is someone who backs his own judgements - probably because he has done this in the past in business.
It reminds me of the Thomas Edison story. Edison was convinced that he could use electricity to make light. He set about experimenting to find a combination of filament/current/environmental conditions that would back his hunch. Edison did not stop after every failure, on the contrary, it spurred him on allowing him to learn from each negative result.
Many many combinations were tried and failed until eventually he found the perfect combination.
This is Duchatelet in a nutshell for me.
- he has a hunch about networking football for success on and off the pitch and is determined to make his hunch work
-he has surrounded himself with technicians to help make his hunch a reality. They are people who will try to make his ideas work. If there are failures they are not seen in the main as people to jettison. They continue to advise or are redeployed or reassigned.
- he continues to see failure as part of a process which ultimately will lead to a successful return.
Where does that leave us?
As a component part of an ongoing experiment which shows little sign of finding a formula for success any time soon. Even if he is ultimately successful in making a return on his investment, our club will unlikely to be more that a testing ground or network feeder club unless he sees us to be the top of the network pyramid.
It also tells me that the battle is far from over. That he is stubborn and will view the continuation of his experimental process as of greater importance than the money he is shipping out on a daily basis.
I hope I am wrong.4 -
Duchatelet has upped his game from disingenuous to mendacious.1
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I'm fascinated by this.LouisMend said:Was going to save this for tonight's show but since RD has now commented and accused Powell on record of leaking the emails, Jimmy tells us during our interview last night that it wasn't Powell who leaked them.
Defamation of character?
There wasn't anyone else CC'd into the email.
So it's either been forwarded on by CP, or someone with inside access leaked them. And if it's the second option, surely there's so much more that could, should and will come out.5 -
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Laughable justification given the number of home games and easy opponents we played under Riga.JollyRobin said:Interview with RD in response to the emails. Can this be translated by anyone?
Google Translate doesn't really help, but the gist I'm getting is that RD claims Powell was never under any obligation, and that the emails were just providing advice. And then he goes on to talk about how Riga managed a higher average points per game that Chris Powell did, justifying the decision to sack Powell.
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Don't disagree with wife, not seen son, so cant comment. Going after Chris is a distraction from the real issues. And once we see the back of the regime we need to be bringing the family back together not seeking reprisals and recriminations.MuttleyCAFC said:He certainly isn't the enemy. That some will be angry with him is natural in a situation like this. To me it doesn't matter what his views are - he is entitled to hold them. I wouldn't want his position to be compromised. But his wife and son are not doing him any favours. That is just a fact!
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His son has (a) expressed he doesn't care about Charlton and would like to see it die, (b) shared photos of smoke bombs at The Valley and stated that it's unfortunate that it was only smoke and not poisonous gas, (c) called fans "c*nts" fairly regularly on Twitter for not agreeing with him, (d) Sent a torrent of abuse to Stan Collymore for covering CARD... and I could probably go on.Kap10 said:
Don't disagree with wife, not seen son, so cant comment. Going after Chris is a distraction from the real issues. And once we see the back of the regime we need to be bringing the family back together not seeking reprisals and recriminations.MuttleyCAFC said:He certainly isn't the enemy. That some will be angry with him is natural in a situation like this. To me it doesn't matter what his views are - he is entitled to hold them. I wouldn't want his position to be compromised. But his wife and son are not doing him any favours. That is just a fact!
He's also stated on Facebook that he's trying to lure people in to threaten him, so he can report them to the police. This was quite laughable as I imagine by doing so he would land himself in some hot water for his own statements. The son really isn't a very nice chap, and even if (as I suspect) he's doing it for attention.. that's not much defence.
Completely agree though - when we get our Charlton back we need to build bridges and come together as one unified group again. Until then, I wouldn't be disappointed to see that family - and the venomous bile they are spreading - removed from the situation. If the rumours regarding Sue are to be believed, then this a view that The Met Police also hold.7
