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The_President
The_President Posts: 14,280
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2 Teams at work, however, both served by one Business Analyst/Work Provider - lets call him Fred.
Both teams have monthly meetings to discuss/demo work provided and delivered that month.

This week, after the monthly demos, one of the other team - who is a good friend said that Fred had seriously dissed one of the people in our team saying he had fucked up in their monthly meet- someone who i know had done nothing wrong and had worked diligenty during that period to deliver what he thought was correct.
This has seriously pissed me off big time.

Now, i've let it be known that this has happened to select people but not to the person concerned - and the original 'informer' has subsequently said 'please dont let this out because i've got to work with him'

Needless to say, most people hate Fred - however, he has the ear of senior management.
I want to tell the person concerned, but dont want to upset the informer.
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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,314
    Whatever Keohane sorry I mean Fred did was an honest mistake and he'll learn from it
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,639
    Shit in his locker
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    kill freds kids
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,405
    You are El Presidente... Have Fred summarily tried, convicted by a one man jury (ie; you) and then taken out and shot the next morning!
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,764
    Ask @crabless.

    He's great at dealing with such delicate office issues.
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,997
    Speaking from the point of view of a public sector employee, I'd say probably best to do nothing, not really worry about it, possibly consider giving your CEO a pay rise whilst announcing a 5 year pay freeze for lower ranking staff, and then knock off early and see if you can get home in time for Deal or No Deal.

    Yours bitterly
    M Largo
  • LoOkOuT
    LoOkOuT Posts: 10,877
    The_President said:

    upset the informer.

    ... you know say Daddy Snow, me ah go blame,
    a lickety-boom-boom down!
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,266
    Just let it ride. Unless it's impacting on your work directly then personally I don't think it's worth you getting involved in office politics etc. It very quickly descends into he said she said etc and can come back on you.

    That's just how I'd deal with it

    This is also definitely the right forum to ask re: business critical questions though, I learnt that first hand a few months back
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,121
    Have a nice cold beer and wait for it to all blow over.

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  • DOC64
    DOC64 Posts: 333
    cabbles said:

    Just let it ride. Unless it's impacting on your work directly then personally I don't think it's worth you getting involved in office politics etc. It very quickly descends into he said she said etc and can come back on you.

    That's just how I'd deal with it

    This is also definitely the right forum to ask re: business critical questions though, I learnt that first hand a few months back

    Sorry @Babbles, but that stinks...

    :-)
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,356
    I am not going to tell you how you should deal with it now. But I will suggest you think of it from a slightly different point of view.

    Imagine yourself working for the same company a couple of years from now. Most of the original protagonists are still there. Your career hs progressed.

    Now imagine yourself remembering this situation with Fred, the informant and the friend who under-performed. What do you think you would *like* to be able to say you did?

    Is the situation so trivial that it will pass within a coupe of days? If you think it is, then it might be worth doing nothing at all.

    Or, is the situation so dire, so mission-critical and so terminal that, without your intervention, it will become irretrievable? If that's the case, then you might decide that, friendship or the worries of your "grass" are of secondary importane and you have to talk to all of them.

    The point I am trying to make is this: in your current situation and from the point of view you have on the issue and on your colleagues, it might seem impossible to correct. So you need to give yourself a different perspective. And the easiest way to do that is to imagine the situation from a different timeframe. I am pretty sure if you do that, you'll come to the conclusion that you can intervene and you will work out what to do. After all, over the next couple of years (or more) you will probably have to deal with many more situations at work that are a lot worse than this one.
  • jamescafc
    jamescafc Posts: 1,832
    Round up with B20 and pay Fred's parents a visit
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,681
    edited December 2016
    The decision, as I see it from what you have said, is whether or not the seriousness of Fred's misdemeanour outweighs the risk of you yourself potentially losing trust and integrity by betraying a confidence.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,118
    Both teams wait round the corner after work and kick the shit out of Fred.
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,049
    Kick arse. Severally and indiscriminately.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,826
    How about get Fred and one of his more senior team mates out for drinks.

    After a few pints, ask how the last team meeting went and get the third guy to say about the concerns over your team member.

    Then beat up Fred.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,052
    You must keep your friend's/informer's confidence
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,379
    Tell Fred what you know and think, as he is your mate. Hopefully Fred having the ear of those above,will be able get them to defuse any ill feelings or any damage done.
    Alternatively do nothing, keep quiet and don't get involved in other arguments and office gossip.
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    edited December 2016
    Leave an anonymous envelope on Fred's desk, with a letter inside simply saying 'I KNOW' written in blood.

    The problem will sort itself out.

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  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,936
    Sorry, what's the question?

    I'd leave it if I were you.
  • LuckyReds
    LuckyReds Posts: 5,866
    Do you document the meetings? Not minutes, but specific things like:
    Tom demonstrated the current progress with X, whilst also highlighted potential issues with Y.

    Dick updated the team on the efforts of Z.

    Fred expressed concerns over a misunderstanding regarding A.
    My view, from the opposite side of the fence, is that Fred may need a discussion with management himself. In fact this may be why he's decided to fling shit around in a meeting.

    I'm a bit confused as to how someone has spent any sizeable amount of time working on a given task, whilst doing it wrong, without any oversight from the BA? Either Fred believes his responsibility ceases when he provides the requirements (Wrong.) or he's failed to keep himself in a position whereby he can monitor progress and inject feedback in to the process.

    I'd argue Fred is pretty poor at his job, and rather than having the professionalism to accept a mistake, he's struck out in a preemptive form of self defence. Not someone I'd want to work with, and not someone I'd trust with anything overly important to be fair.

    With this in mind, would it possible to talk to someone a bit higher up and - rather than overtly throwing Fred under the bus - say you're a bit concerned with the current process that facilitated this situation, and perhaps hint that Fred has failed to keep on top of things? That way you're protecting the bloke on your team, but avoiding the risk of confrontations arising from you breaching the confidentiality.

    Ultimately though, don't be like Fred; Fred is a dick.
  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678
    Is Fred an immigrant?
    In which case blame it on Brexit,
    If not, blame it on immigrants.

    Simple.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Thanks Lucky, that's a very good post - and very much what I'm thinking right now.
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,974
    Do what the rest of the SMT do, which will be ignore it and then deny all knowledge of it
  • ozaddick
    ozaddick Posts: 2,853
    What lucky said.
  • 3blokes
    3blokes Posts: 4,610
    MrLargo said:

    Speaking from the point of view of a public sector employee, I'd say probably best to do nothing, not really worry about it, possibly consider giving your CEO a pay rise whilst announcing a 5 year pay freeze for lower ranking staff, and then knock off early and see if you can get home in time for Deal or No Deal.

    Yours bitterly
    M Largo

    Just to clarify there, Mr Largo,I think what you mean is negotiate yourself a hefty golden handshake redundancy package with an early and massive retirement settlement and make sure just about the final thing you do before you leave is bring in a rule change to stop anyone else doing what you have just done.
    And then take consultancy opportunities because quite frankly, in retirement we could all do with an extra bob or two, couldn't we :neutral:
    That was known as Deal but No Deal (for Anyone Else)
    Shocking eh.
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,997
    3blokes said:

    MrLargo said:

    Speaking from the point of view of a public sector employee, I'd say probably best to do nothing, not really worry about it, possibly consider giving your CEO a pay rise whilst announcing a 5 year pay freeze for lower ranking staff, and then knock off early and see if you can get home in time for Deal or No Deal.

    Yours bitterly
    M Largo

    Just to clarify there, Mr Largo,I think what you mean is negotiate yourself a hefty golden handshake redundancy package with an early and massive retirement settlement and make sure just about the final thing you do before you leave is bring in a rule change to stop anyone else doing what you have just done.
    And then take consultancy opportunities because quite frankly, in retirement we could all do with an extra bob or two, couldn't we :neutral:
    That was known as Deal but No Deal (for Anyone Else)
    Shocking eh.
    Ha ha, yes exactly that. Not saying where I work, but sounds like you could be in the same building as me!
  • 3blokes
    3blokes Posts: 4,610
    MrLargo said:

    3blokes said:

    MrLargo said:

    Speaking from the point of view of a public sector employee, I'd say probably best to do nothing, not really worry about it, possibly consider giving your CEO a pay rise whilst announcing a 5 year pay freeze for lower ranking staff, and then knock off early and see if you can get home in time for Deal or No Deal.

    Yours bitterly
    M Largo

    Just to clarify there, Mr Largo,I think what you mean is negotiate yourself a hefty golden handshake redundancy package with an early and massive retirement settlement and make sure just about the final thing you do before you leave is bring in a rule change to stop anyone else doing what you have just done.
    And then take consultancy opportunities because quite frankly, in retirement we could all do with an extra bob or two, couldn't we :neutral:
    That was known as Deal but No Deal (for Anyone Else)
    Shocking eh.
    Ha ha, yes exactly that. Not saying where I work, but sounds like you could be in the same building as me!
    Maybe not the same building, but how shall I put it, it was all part of a "learning" experience......
  • Addicted
    Addicted Posts: 2,804
    Slowly chip away at Fred over the course of several months, destroying his reputation, confidence and credibility. Spread derogatory rumors about his sexual prowess and interests. Ruin his marriage then sleep with his wife and send him a video. Drive him into the ground. Crush his soul.

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