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Letter in todays Greenwich & Lewisham Mercury
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50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.10
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You say tomarto he says tomayto.
I say he's just earned himself a free season ticket and a pat on the head from KM
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In the blog link he does seem to say he doesn't agree with what the regime have done and that some of CARD's stuff has been imaginative. But he doesn't agree with the protests at the ground. You wouldn't get that though from the letter to the paper. Seems a strange and selfish combination to be fair. Basically he's saying he doesn't mind protesting against the regime as long as it doesn't disturb him sitting (in probable silence) watching the game. Not to mention the fact he spouts the old "the club now wouldn't exist at the Valley if it wasn't for RD" crap.0
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May I respectfully suggest @rememberbillybonds following his views/age as per his post earlier ?EveshamAddick said:Perhaps someone local can write a riposte, with a handy checklist of the regimes foul ups.
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I am a Charlton fan, but unfortunately not local. I live in Hertfordshire and do not know the local papers. Parents moved away from Charlton when I was 2.but I still make the journey.
But thanks for recognising my true commitment to the club.5 -
There are very closed minded people in this world. If you take the view that Roland saved us and if it wasn't for him we would go under, you clearly haven't opened yourself up to the fact that even the regime has said people want to buy this club. Then they present theargument, that how do we know the new owners would be better. If you used that argument in life you might be content to be married to Waynetta Slob as you might not find anyone better!
You have the Sue Parkes view that any demonstrations or protests are wrong. I mean the rights we all have have been fought for by people who have demonstrated and protested. And you need to have a short memory to forget the Valley Party, which oiled the wheels to a Valley move. It was openly a PROTEST party. Without protest in our past, were would we be?7 -
So nothing in what he says has any merit?Henry Irving said:50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.
You had better start to find some common ground.
Divided and Conquered.
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Sounds like the protagonist Malcolm Tucker from the Thick of It.0
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Nothing in what he says at all. Unfortunately, we will have to win the battle without people like him if he/they refuse to see what is clear to the majority of fans.GustavMailer said:
So nothing in what he says has any merit?Henry Irving said:50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.
You had better start to find some common ground.
Divided and Conquered.
I assume that he and his like will still be supporters of the club after Roland has gone, so maybe not divided in the way that matters.1 -
You cheeky young pup. What the hell has age got to do with it? The odds would suggest that many more under 70's would not like the protests. Do the maths son.AFKABartram said:He's entitled to his opinion. I think he is in his 70s and there's definitely some in the older generation that don't like the protest aspects.
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It's ok for him to have his opinion and as he as supported our club for 50 years he has a lot of memories and life but maybe he is being a little selective with his thoughts.
I'm a few years behind him,(only 42 years of support), the way I remember Charlton in all my years is, we were only successful,(by our standards),when we, the supporters and the owners all shared a common goal.
Not possible now the owner and his minions, they don't share thoughts with us let the intentions.
He may well have a club to support under these vandals but will he be happy sitting in a crowd that could all fit in the lower west stand watching even worse shit than we have for the last few years?3 -
Isn't it for the Ownership to find the common ground? We are customers, don't forget (and personally, I have never had a problem with that word to describe football fans). Well the customers, according to research conducted by marketing professionals within the Supporters Trust, and with a highly valid 750 plus sample size, are seriously pissed off.GustavMailer said:
So nothing in what he says has any merit?Henry Irving said:50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.
You had better start to find some common ground.
Divided and Conquered.
" 80% of respondents currently feel very negative about the future prospects of Charlton under Roland Duchatelet"
This is a business. The overwhelming majority of the customers are seriously dissatisfied. If you see somebody at Tesco complaining about the length of the checkout queue, do you go up to them and tell them how lucky they are to have Tesco in the neighbourhood , and suggest they find common ground with you? No? Right, then.
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And we all know polls are never wrong!
You could always go and shop elsewhere.
He is the owner, and he will not sell, no matter how many letters of complaint he recieves.1 -
Tbf I can well believe 80% feel very negative about our future under Duchatelet, but that's not his issue.PragueAddick said:
Isn't it for the Ownership to find the common ground? We are customers, don't forget (and personally, I have never had a problem with that word to describe football fans). Well the customers, according to research conducted by marketing professionals within the Supporters Trust, and with a highly valid 750 plus sample size, are seriously pissed off.GustavMailer said:
So nothing in what he says has any merit?Henry Irving said:50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.
You had better start to find some common ground.
Divided and Conquered.
" 80% of respondents currently feel very negative about the future prospects of Charlton under Roland Duchatelet"
This is a business. The overwhelming majority of the customers are seriously dissatisfied. If you see somebody at Tesco complaining about the length of the checkout queue, do you go up to them and tell them how lucky they are to have Tesco in the neighbourhood , and suggest they find common ground with you? No? Right, then.
His issue is the disruption of the football matches.
I wonder what percentage of respondents feel we should disrupt the matches, especially bearing in mind a large % of respondents are on CL & are anti regime.
A genuine question and I do believe more fans have had enough of the match hold ups.
I'm not saying this is my personal view.1 -
Blah, blah, blah.GustavMailer said:And we all know polls are never wrong!
You could always go and shop elsewhere.
He is the owner, and he will not sell, no matter how many letters of complaint he recieves.
He'll go. Might not be tomorrow, or next week, or next month, but he'll go.
By the way "i before e, except after c".8 -
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88% agreed that the protests should continueCovered End said:
Tbf I can well believe 80% feel very negative about our future under Duchatelet, but that's not his issue.PragueAddick said:
Isn't it for the Ownership to find the common ground? We are customers, don't forget (and personally, I have never had a problem with that word to describe football fans). Well the customers, according to research conducted by marketing professionals within the Supporters Trust, and with a highly valid 750 plus sample size, are seriously pissed off.GustavMailer said:
So nothing in what he says has any merit?Henry Irving said:50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.
You had better start to find some common ground.
Divided and Conquered.
" 80% of respondents currently feel very negative about the future prospects of Charlton under Roland Duchatelet"
This is a business. The overwhelming majority of the customers are seriously dissatisfied. If you see somebody at Tesco complaining about the length of the checkout queue, do you go up to them and tell them how lucky they are to have Tesco in the neighbourhood , and suggest they find common ground with you? No? Right, then.
His issue is the disruption of the football matches.
I wonder what percentage of respondents feel we should disrupt the matches, especially bearing in mind a large % of respondents are on CL & are anti regime.
A genuine question and I do believe more fans have had enough of the match hold ups.
I'm not saying this is my personal view.
By the way, 80% were very negative about the future under RD and 15% quite negative so overall that makes 95%. Prague was being kind...
If anyone has any issues with how representative or not the sample of 750+ may be, there is an easy answer - that the club do a survey of their own database (not just current season ticket holders).4 -
I agree that the tactics may need to be reviewed. I also think the CARD crew are very capable of reviewing them and adjusting them accordingly.Covered End said:
Tbf I can well believe 80% feel very negative about our future under Duchatelet, but that's not his issue.PragueAddick said:
Isn't it for the Ownership to find the common ground? We are customers, don't forget (and personally, I have never had a problem with that word to describe football fans). Well the customers, according to research conducted by marketing professionals within the Supporters Trust, and with a highly valid 750 plus sample size, are seriously pissed off.GustavMailer said:
So nothing in what he says has any merit?Henry Irving said:50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.
You had better start to find some common ground.
Divided and Conquered.
" 80% of respondents currently feel very negative about the future prospects of Charlton under Roland Duchatelet"
This is a business. The overwhelming majority of the customers are seriously dissatisfied. If you see somebody at Tesco complaining about the length of the checkout queue, do you go up to them and tell them how lucky they are to have Tesco in the neighbourhood , and suggest they find common ground with you? No? Right, then.
His issue is the disruption of the football matches.
I wonder what percentage of respondents feel we should disrupt the matches, especially bearing in mind a large % of respondents are on CL & are anti regime.
A genuine question and I do believe more fans have had enough of the match hold ups.
I'm not saying this is my personal view.
But is his issue really just "the disruption of football matches"?
He describes CARD as " a handful of agitators bent on bringing the club to its knees" . Do you think CARD people want to bring Charlton Athletic to its knees?
To me he sounds like the Supporters Club chairman in 1985 who was disgusted that I disrupted the meeting with an impertinent question about the move to Selhurst when they had important questions about away travel coach prices to deal with. Maybe it's him:-)
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Though not always of course, and as in opinions about the protests there are going to be exceptions to the perceived general viewpointsuperclive98 said:
Blah, blah, blah.GustavMailer said:And we all know polls are never wrong!
You could always go and shop elsewhere.
He is the owner, and he will not sell, no matter how many letters of complaint he recieves.
He'll go. Might not be tomorrow, or next week, or next month, but he'll go.
By the way "i before e, except after c".
As in
Deity
Neither
Albeit
Feint
Science
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The English language is such that there will always be exceptions.
Are your examples specific to the regime?
Deity - Roland acts as if he is god.
Neither - Roland or Katrien have a clue.
Albeit - Even though he is on his 8th manager each change has been a success.
Feint - Every time that Katy says that "we have learnt from our mistakes", we know it is not true.
Science - Roland thinks that football can be worked out from a laptop.11 -
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If you say so. Most efficient.superclive98 said:
Blah, blah, blah.GustavMailer said:And we all know polls are never wrong!
You could always go and shop elsewhere.
He is the owner, and he will not sell, no matter how many letters of complaint he recieves.
He'll go. Might not be tomorrow, or next week, or next month, but he'll go.
By the way "i before e, except after c".3 -
And, somewhat appropriatelyletthegoodtimesroll said:
Though not always of course, and as in opinions about the protests there are going to be exceptions to the perceived general viewpointsuperclive98 said:
Blah, blah, blah.GustavMailer said:And we all know polls are never wrong!
You could always go and shop elsewhere.
He is the owner, and he will not sell, no matter how many letters of complaint he recieves.
He'll go. Might not be tomorrow, or next week, or next month, but he'll go.
By the way "i before e, except after c".
As in
Deity
Neither
Albeit
Feint
Science
Weird Meire.
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Judging by his Facebook he's hardly been pro-regime in the past, so it's a shame he feels he has to write this letter. If he has an issue why not contact someone involved?AFKABartram said:He's entitled to his opinion. I think he is in his 70s and there's definitely some in the older generation that don't like the protest aspects.
The 'few antagonists' comment annoys me. CARD is and always has been a coalition of fan organisations. It's no less insulting to Charlton fans than Meire has been to suggest that we just follow a few bitter people blindly.
But you have to believe that, because otherwise you'd have to ask questions like, how do 3000 pigs make it onto the pitch if it's only a small number of people who feel this way?12 -
All owners sell or die, it's just a matter of when. He's seventy so hopefully one or other will happen soon.GustavMailer said:And we all know polls are never wrong!
You could always go and shop elsewhere.
He is the owner, and he will not sell, no matter how many letters of complaint he recieves.1 -
Are you suggesting we start singing "we are CARD until you die"? ☺AddicksAddict said:
All owners sell or die, it's just a matter of when. He's seventy so hopefully one or other will happen soon.GustavMailer said:And we all know polls are never wrong!
You could always go and shop elsewhere.
He is the owner, and he will not sell, no matter how many letters of complaint he recieves.1 -
Well he's entitled to have his say, but of course it doesn't mean he is right, fair or accurate.
The evidence would suggest he is not.
And the majority of people who have really delved into the goings on at Charlton do not share his view.
So he got his letter in the paper, and some people might read it and tut at those " hooligan" CARD types, but the wider picture is that the efforts of CARD are recognised and supported by the football community in general. That is what is real.
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I doubt it, that was Bill Treadgold.PragueAddick said:
I agree that the tactics may need to be reviewed. I also think the CARD crew are very capable of reviewing them and adjusting them accordingly.Covered End said:
Tbf I can well believe 80% feel very negative about our future under Duchatelet, but that's not his issue.PragueAddick said:
Isn't it for the Ownership to find the common ground? We are customers, don't forget (and personally, I have never had a problem with that word to describe football fans). Well the customers, according to research conducted by marketing professionals within the Supporters Trust, and with a highly valid 750 plus sample size, are seriously pissed off.GustavMailer said:
So nothing in what he says has any merit?Henry Irving said:50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.
You had better start to find some common ground.
Divided and Conquered.
" 80% of respondents currently feel very negative about the future prospects of Charlton under Roland Duchatelet"
This is a business. The overwhelming majority of the customers are seriously dissatisfied. If you see somebody at Tesco complaining about the length of the checkout queue, do you go up to them and tell them how lucky they are to have Tesco in the neighbourhood , and suggest they find common ground with you? No? Right, then.
His issue is the disruption of the football matches.
I wonder what percentage of respondents feel we should disrupt the matches, especially bearing in mind a large % of respondents are on CL & are anti regime.
A genuine question and I do believe more fans have had enough of the match hold ups.
I'm not saying this is my personal view.
But is his issue really just "the disruption of football matches"?
He describes CARD as " a handful of agitators bent on bringing the club to its knees" . Do you think CARD people want to bring Charlton Athletic to its knees?
To me he sounds like the Supporters Club chairman in 1985 who was disgusted that I disrupted the meeting with an impertinent question about the move to Selhurst when they had important questions about away travel coach prices to deal with. Maybe it's him:-)1 -
Jack Linsdell.shirty5 said:
I doubt it, that was Bill Treadgold.PragueAddick said:
I agree that the tactics may need to be reviewed. I also think the CARD crew are very capable of reviewing them and adjusting them accordingly.Covered End said:
Tbf I can well believe 80% feel very negative about our future under Duchatelet, but that's not his issue.PragueAddick said:
Isn't it for the Ownership to find the common ground? We are customers, don't forget (and personally, I have never had a problem with that word to describe football fans). Well the customers, according to research conducted by marketing professionals within the Supporters Trust, and with a highly valid 750 plus sample size, are seriously pissed off.GustavMailer said:
So nothing in what he says has any merit?Henry Irving said:50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.
You had better start to find some common ground.
Divided and Conquered.
" 80% of respondents currently feel very negative about the future prospects of Charlton under Roland Duchatelet"
This is a business. The overwhelming majority of the customers are seriously dissatisfied. If you see somebody at Tesco complaining about the length of the checkout queue, do you go up to them and tell them how lucky they are to have Tesco in the neighbourhood , and suggest they find common ground with you? No? Right, then.
His issue is the disruption of the football matches.
I wonder what percentage of respondents feel we should disrupt the matches, especially bearing in mind a large % of respondents are on CL & are anti regime.
A genuine question and I do believe more fans have had enough of the match hold ups.
I'm not saying this is my personal view.
But is his issue really just "the disruption of football matches"?
He describes CARD as " a handful of agitators bent on bringing the club to its knees" . Do you think CARD people want to bring Charlton Athletic to its knees?
To me he sounds like the Supporters Club chairman in 1985 who was disgusted that I disrupted the meeting with an impertinent question about the move to Selhurst when they had important questions about away travel coach prices to deal with. Maybe it's him:-)0 -
Yes!PragueAddick said:
I agree that the tactics may need to be reviewed. I also think the CARD crew are very capable of reviewing them and adjusting them accordingly.Covered End said:
Tbf I can well believe 80% feel very negative about our future under Duchatelet, but that's not his issue.PragueAddick said:
Isn't it for the Ownership to find the common ground? We are customers, don't forget (and personally, I have never had a problem with that word to describe football fans). Well the customers, according to research conducted by marketing professionals within the Supporters Trust, and with a highly valid 750 plus sample size, are seriously pissed off.GustavMailer said:
So nothing in what he says has any merit?Henry Irving said:50 years of support here. I protest, he doesnt, I see a problem, he doesnt.
You had better start to find some common ground.
Divided and Conquered.
" 80% of respondents currently feel very negative about the future prospects of Charlton under Roland Duchatelet"
This is a business. The overwhelming majority of the customers are seriously dissatisfied. If you see somebody at Tesco complaining about the length of the checkout queue, do you go up to them and tell them how lucky they are to have Tesco in the neighbourhood , and suggest they find common ground with you? No? Right, then.
His issue is the disruption of the football matches.
I wonder what percentage of respondents feel we should disrupt the matches, especially bearing in mind a large % of respondents are on CL & are anti regime.
A genuine question and I do believe more fans have had enough of the match hold ups.
I'm not saying this is my personal view.
But is his issue really just "the disruption of football matches"?
He describes CARD as " a handful of agitators bent on bringing the club to its knees" . Do you think CARD people want to bring Charlton Athletic to its knees?
To me he sounds like the Supporters Club chairman in 1985 who was disgusted that I disrupted the meeting with an impertinent question about the move to Selhurst when they had important questions about away travel coach prices to deal with. Maybe it's him:-)
On many occasions have I seen the quote of ''let's make the club unmanageable''5
