KR v RS - how's it going?

Who is KS?

AdTheAddicK said:

Russel Slade's football was dire

He was obsessed by setting up not to concede, and holding on when a goal ahead. That was never going to win the fans over (or produce the required results).
I think he did great work behind the scenes though.

Slide started season with a fresh squad. KR took over when injuries started to hit the squad.

SDAddick said:

Mckforester said:

Slide started season with a fresh squad. KR took over when injuries started to hit the squad.

My thoughts exactly. Slade had Magennis,, Novak, Holmes, and Pearce all fit plus Lookman, and seemingly chose not the pick Tex. He also had a summer to build his squad and in my opinion did a rather poor job of it.

I don't think Slade did that badly in the transfer market to be fair, for me it's more what he did with the players in playing negative defensive football trying to hold on to a 1-0 lead which didn't work (Wimbledon, Port Vale, Oldham all spring to mind) and then you also have the games where we went 4-5-1 such as Gillingham.

I do agree with your point about Tex, if there was never an issue over his contract he should have been in the team a lot sooner.

It also makes you wonder what Slade did or didn't see in Aribo to play in centre mid? By the time Aribo made his debut we'd already gone through Crofts, Foley, Jackson and Ulvestad, did Slade never rate Aribo? His presence in the team co-incides with Robinson's run as manager. You could almost ask a similar question of why Konsa wasn't considered an option in midfield under Slade either?

On a seperate note many of us - myself included - felt we needed 3 or 4 midfielders going into the January transfer window but with the emergence of Konsa and Aribo in midfield maybe we already had the players but they just weren't given the opportunities? Add the signing of JFC and suddenly centre mid doesn't appear as weak as it was albeit with room for improvement still.

JamesSeed said:

AdTheAddicK said:

Russel Slade's football was dire

He was obsessed by setting up not to concede, and holding on when a goal ahead. That was never going to win the fans over (or produce the required results).
I think he did great work behind the scenes though.

Would have been a decent approach were we still in the championship. In a season where we needed to get promoted it wasn't enough!

The fact that within a matter of weeks, KR addressed the major issue of a ridiculously slow midfield is enough to give him the edge for me. Putting Konsa in midfield, giving Aribo a chance, signing JFC. If Slade was here we'd probably still have JJ and Foley chugging along.

But for a poor poor referee decision KR would have had one less draw and one more win and the Milwall jinx would have been over.

I'm assuming Slade played a part in some decent signings but he was clueless in terms of in game approach. His problem compared to Robinson was his negativity. The Wimbledon home defeat was 100% down to him as were many draws clutched from the jaws of possible victories. He was afraid to try things and during his stint I regularly accused him of having no balls. I was angry after the Shrewsbury win, because of his approach after we had raced to a 4-0 lead. It confirmed my belief about the man.The Swindon game was difficult because he had players out. With the team he put out, it was clear how the game would pan out. He could have taken some risks there. It may not have worked, but the cautious alternative was never going to work - it says it all about Slade for me.

Pearce said at Bromley Addicks that the players had met with Slade after the Wimbledon game and had asked for a more expansive and attacking style of play with which Russell agreed but, as Pearce said, he didn't get a chance to do much about it.

EveshamAddick said:

Updated after 11 games:

Robinson - P11 W3 D5 L4 For 11 Against 12
Slade - P11 W2 D6 L3 For 11 Against 11

Sorry is it just me but doesn't Robinson's record add up to 12 here?!

3+5+4=12 guessing one is a mistake.

Sorry to be a pedant.

eaststandmike said:

cantersaddick said:

EveshamAddick said:

Updated after 11 games:

Robinson - P11 W3 D5 L4 For 11 Against 12
Slade - P11 W2 D6 L3 For 11 Against 11

Sorry is it just me but doesn't Robinson's record add up to 12 here?!

3+5+4=12 guessing one is a mistake.

Sorry to be a pedant.

I make you right, good spot.

It's the analyst in me. Still the joke would be that I'd need a spreadsheet to work it out...

Oggy Red said:

EveshamAddick said:

Updated after 11 games:

Robinson - P11 W3 D5 L4 For 11 Against 12
Slade - P11 W2 D6 L3 For 11 Against 11

EveshamAddick said:

Interesting how similar the records are still. While Robinson is certainly a more dynamic manager, that dynamism is yet to be seen in the form of results. Hence, we are still in mid table.

Following with interest, Evesham.
As you mentioned "mid table", I was curious to check the comparison only between Slade and Robinson's first 9 League games:

Robinson - P9 W3 D4 L2 F10 A9 PTS13
Slade ..... - P9 W2 D5 L2 F11 A10 PTS11

Firstly, I could only find 2 League defeats for Robbo, same as Slade.
Interestingly, Slade's 'defensive/negative' teams scored 1 more goal compared to Robbo's teams.

In this comparison, we see that Robbo's teams gained 2 more points, with arguably a more overall difficult fixture list and having lost many key players.
Slade was sacked with Charlton after 16 League games, so of course a fairer comparison can be had once Robinson completes his first 16.

Anyway, keep up the good work.

Agreed especially when Slade's 16 league games included home games against Coventry, Chesterfield, Oldham and Shrewsbury 4 of the weakest teams in the league while Robinson has only been afforded 1 game against a bottom half team in his 9 games, and none against any teams in the bottom 8!

Slade will still have had the better of the fixtures once Robinson reaches 16 games but agreed it should provide a slightly fairer comparison by then.

Let's face it, not much difference and Slade was sacked.