Charlton v Fleetwood - Post Match Views
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Fleetwood benefitted from having two systems and switching to a back 3 when Jacko came on got them a deserved point. Hopefully a fully fit squad will allow KR to show off his tactical nous because putting a knackered Watt and slow Jackson on the left pretty much eradicated half the pitch, something they identified quickly,
Also, don't like digging out our own, but Ricky Holmes' tackle on their number 2 was nasty and spiteful. Never good to see a player deliberately try and hurt someone and was far more deserving of a red card than Byrne.7 -
I regularly stayed up for the 2am Kick off, but haven't for some time now. However I still grab my phone when I wake up to check the score and read all the reports.....but its hard to feel excited these days.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Same here, Saturday night at 10/11 pm was Charlton time, no matter how shitty in it made Sunday morning at work.Oakster said:Changing times - used to set the alarm and tune in every Saturday morning to listen to the games - follow every kick on the commentary on here.
Now - had to remember to check the score 15 minutes after the game ended.
This self-promoting prick Robinson & the PR offensive is the final straw - it's dead to me until the Belgians are gone.
Totally forgot about tonight's game until 60odd mins in.0 -
To be fair you could fit the Fleetwood contingent on a skate board or twoHenry Irving said:And a home "crowd" of under 10,000.
When was the last time we saw an official home Saturday crowd that small?0 -
But it's not his debt, it's Charlton's debt. RD has loaned the club money, not given it. All needs to be paid up when Roly sails into the sunset.JonnyK said:
Don't understand why you're concerned with the growing debt? That's the owner's problem and from what I understand it is loose change to him. Why are we concerned with his private financial arrangements?Weegie Addick said:What are these signs of improvement you are seeing @KINSELLA7? Genuine Q as I am struggling to look beyond:
- mid table in League One
- squad too thin and over reliant on loans
- poor disciplinary record
- dwindling crowds
- growing debt1 -
Thought it was an uninspiring game - we lacked bite upfront - Magennis and Watt together will be exciting but we miss big Josh. I thought Byrne was a bit of a waste of space for this game - I would have brought the Arsenal youngster on for him instead of Novak. I think Robinson was a bit worried about their height at set pieces with us only being a goal up. Understandable. Two valuable points lost though! Thought the sending off was the right decision.
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Enjoy the heat @TEL and forget all this nonsense mateTEL said:
I regularly stayed up for the 2am Kick off, but haven't for some time now. However I still grab my phone when I wake up to check the score and read all the reports.....but its hard to feel excited these days.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Same here, Saturday night at 10/11 pm was Charlton time, no matter how shitty in it made Sunday morning at work.Oakster said:Changing times - used to set the alarm and tune in every Saturday morning to listen to the games - follow every kick on the commentary on here.
Now - had to remember to check the score 15 minutes after the game ended.
This self-promoting prick Robinson & the PR offensive is the final straw - it's dead to me until the Belgians are gone.
Totally forgot about tonight's game until 60odd mins in.1 -
Sorry but it's 'soft debt' akin to capital raising by additional shareholder equity. If the club is sold then the price paid will go to the shareholders whether as equity sale or repayment of debt. Chelsea in same position with Abramovic.Weegie Addick said:
It's not private financial arrangements. It is what the club is saddled with. Makes us less attractive to buy and always a risk that he stops funding/ pulls the plug / dies and we are left in serious financial trouble.JonnyK said:
Don't understand why you're concerned with the growing debt? That's the owner's problem and from what I understand it is loose change to him. Why are we concerned with his private financial arrangements?Weegie Addick said:What are these signs of improvement you are seeing @KINSELLA7? Genuine Q as I am struggling to look beyond:
- mid table in League One
- squad too thin and over reliant on loans
- poor disciplinary record
- dwindling crowds
- growing debt
Also a big chunk of the debt is due to the owner's incompetence - lengthy contracts for rubbish players plus declining income because so many fans are staying away.
Debt Is rising because some weird person in Belgium keeps on sending more euros over to keep us solvent- funny old thing eh?0 -
Possibly due to many of the new signings are lacking regular first team football at previous clubs plus Ricky and TWWW still ring rusty.sm said:Credit to Fleetwood although they had players of lesser ability than ourselves they were more of a team - until the second half of the second half you could see that we were starting to become more cohesive, but then it did rather fall apart. Lots of good individual stuff but we are still less than the sum of the parts.
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The debt is the main reason he's still here. He can't get his money back from the several interested parties. Some of the debt is bogus - in effect the club "owes" him the purchase price he paid the spivs plus interest accrued on same - and much of it is money he's pissed up the wall on poor signings or ridiculous contracts, such as Tex's £12k a week until 2020. But it's only going to get worse.
Getting back to the match, I hope those who think things are going well - and that fans in general are excited - took a good look around the ground, because that was a shockingly bad crowd for a Saturday with no home match for three weeks before it and the next one not due for 2.5 weeks - especially given last week's heroics at Bolton and an unbeaten run of five games. That's the best indicator of the mood.36 -
It comes with the territory of being an Addick over so many years.TEL said:
I regularly stayed up for the 2am Kick off, but haven't for some time now. However I still grab my phone when I wake up to check the score and read all the reports.....but its hard to feel excited these days.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Same here, Saturday night at 10/11 pm was Charlton time, no matter how shitty in it made Sunday morning at work.Oakster said:Changing times - used to set the alarm and tune in every Saturday morning to listen to the games - follow every kick on the commentary on here.
Now - had to remember to check the score 15 minutes after the game ended.
This self-promoting prick Robinson & the PR offensive is the final straw - it's dead to me until the Belgians are gone.
Totally forgot about tonight's game until 60odd mins in.0 -
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?? Don't think so. If the sale price is less than the o/s debt you don't think the owner is going to demand repayment from the new owner do you?EveshamAddick said:
But it's not his debt, it's Charlton's debt. RD has loaned the club money, not given it. All needs to be paid up when Roly sails into the sunset.JonnyK said:
Don't understand why you're concerned with the growing debt? That's the owner's problem and from what I understand it is loose change to him. Why are we concerned with his private financial arrangements?Weegie Addick said:What are these signs of improvement you are seeing @KINSELLA7? Genuine Q as I am struggling to look beyond:
- mid table in League One
- squad too thin and over reliant on loans
- poor disciplinary record
- dwindling crowds
- growing debt
The sale contract will wipe out the personal debt to RD.
If RD called in the debt tomorrow in a fit of pique the club would go into Administration and dozens of interested parties would be all over the Administrator to purchase the club even with a points deduction. You may care to think back to Southampton and his thrur Phoenix rose from the ashes.
As I say it is debt that is 'as soft at shite' - quoting Plank in Lock Stock.1 -
I thought he flagged for a goal kick?CAFCspooney said:
Flag was up for offside. He should have still hit the target though!Redrobo said:We played very well in first half and Konsa is one of the very best youngplayers we have ever had.
How did Watt mis that open goal. 2 nil up, game over.
I thought JJ was very poor at LB and was lucky a couple of times when well beaten. Why oh why did we not put DeSilva on? Was that not why he was on the bench?
I would have put the guy on up front. We needed someone to hold it up a bit, but Ido not think it wouldhave mademuch ddifference.
I think we played really well in the first half, but Watt is not good enough to lead the line.
Ref letalot go. 5 handballs for instance and not one given. He seemed a bit confused throughout.
Good game, shame we could not hang on.0 -
And yet it didn't in 2014 because RD left it in the books.JonnyK said:
?? Don't think so. If the sale price is less than the o/s debt you don't think the owner is going to demand repayment from the new owner do you?EveshamAddick said:
But it's not his debt, it's Charlton's debt. RD has loaned the club money, not given it. All needs to be paid up when Roly sails into the sunset.JonnyK said:
Don't understand why you're concerned with the growing debt? That's the owner's problem and from what I understand it is loose change to him. Why are we concerned with his private financial arrangements?Weegie Addick said:What are these signs of improvement you are seeing @KINSELLA7? Genuine Q as I am struggling to look beyond:
- mid table in League One
- squad too thin and over reliant on loans
- poor disciplinary record
- dwindling crowds
- growing debt
The sale contract will wipe out the personal debt to RD.
If RD called in the debt tomorrow in a fit of pique the club would go into Administration and dozens of interested parties would be all over the Administrator to purchase the club even with a points deduction. You may care to think back to Southampton and his thrur Phoenix rose from the ashes.
As I say it is debt that is 'as soft at shite' - quoting Plank in Lock Stock.1 -
Many here blame decisions about the left back situation, bit of a broken record but Fox was never injured or sent off, 3 games in a row now since Fox left we are in trouble left side.
Jacko done his best but look at the root cause of all of this - we sold Fox.8 -
So, @KINSELLA7, what are you doing in your spare time to improve things?
Great username. Be good if you showed similar energy and commitment to the cause.1 -
I thought Fleetwood were very good at closing CAFC down.
Took some good skill from JFC to open up the Cod army.
Need big Josh back, as Tony Watt needs the support that he didn't get today. Thought magic feet did well as lone striker, even if he did an impression of Ajosie with that row Z Shot.
This will be the season of what if ?
The lack of a 24 goal striker will cost us dear at the end of this Campaign.
Plus i think we will lose the least amount of games in this division.
Funny old game.
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I can't 'like' this because it's depressingly bad but I agree 100% with it!Airman Brown said:The debt is the main reason he's still here. He can't get his money back from the several interested parties. Some of the debt is bogus - in effect the club "owes" him the purchase price he paid the spivs plus interest accrued on same - and much of it is money he's pissed up the wall on poor signings or ridiculous contracts, such as Tex's £12k a week until 2020. But it's only going to get worse.
Getting back to the match, I hope those who think things are going well - and that fans in general are excited - took a good look around the ground, because that was a shockingly bad crowd for a Saturday with no home match for three weeks before it and the next one not due for 2.5 weeks - especially given last week's heroics at Bolton and an unbeaten run of five games. That's the best indicator of the mood.0 -
First time in over 2 years watching a game. Very little talent on display to be honest. Thought we bossed first half without really causing an offensive threat apart from Goal which was well worked. 2nd half we played for the 1-0. Couldn't understand taking off our most creative player in Holmes. Red card was deserved as he lost control and went in high with studs showing. Can't understand how a pro footballer can't control a ball waist height which Byrne failed to do a couldn't do a couple of times. In the end we were lucky to get a point as they hit post with a great curling shot. Watt was trying flicks and taking people on which he didn't pull off half the time. He did try but is clearly unfit and don't think they will renew contract. Sad to say this is where we are at hanging on for a tie with Fleetwod at home. Need some real football people in to take over from the Belgians. I would find it hard to watch that week in week out. Head back to USA tomorrow and hopefully next time will see us with new owners and some excitement back at the Valley!9
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Based on the horrendous abuse Fox received both at The Valley and on here, rather ironic to hear, "Because we sold Fox" but that appears to be the case.BR3red said:Many here blame decisions about the left back situation, bit of a broken record but Fox was never injured or sent off, 3 games in a row now since Fox left we are in trouble left side.
Jacko done his best but look at the root cause of all of this - we sold Fox.
I was a huge fan of Fox when he first came in under Riga to replace the injured Wiggins - he really did well, but of late, I hold my hands up.
His problem at CAFC seems to have been, in hindsight, a lack of support from both midfield/widemen and central defence.
Just goes to show how little we know?0 -
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Don't come on CL then Robbo. Looking at a lot of the comments on this thread you won't see a lot of "The fans and the players – there’s a connection" here. Personally I think it's getting really old.shirty5 said:
For me, encouraging signs -
We have a Manager who knows the English league
We are recruiting players that know the English league
We are playing better - 6 unbeaten and, really, we should have won today
Daisy is being kept quiet.
Let's get behind the team without the continual negative comments. Douche has made mistakes and I want him out as much as anyone but, he is improving so, while he's here, let's support the team.
Maybe there are people on here who don't want Charlton to do well just because it doesn't fit in with their cozy image of what they want Charlton to be. Shame if that's the case.
Like I said, all this negativity is getting old to me. And, yes, I do understand what has been happening to our club these last 3 years. But, it sure is a lot better now than when we were dealing with Peeters, Luzon and Fraeye and the likes of Naby Sarr, El-Hadji Ba, George Tucudean and Reza Ghoochannejhad every week. Not to mention Piotr Parzyszek, Yohann Thuram, Loic Nego and Christophe Lepoint to name a few.
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1st game Page injuredpurdis said:
Based on the horrendous abuse Fox received both at The Valley and on here, rather ironic to hear, "Because we sold Fox" but that appears to be the case.BR3red said:Many here blame decisions about the left back situation, bit of a broken record but Fox was never injured or sent off, 3 games in a row now since Fox left we are in trouble left side.
Jacko done his best but look at the root cause of all of this - we sold Fox.
I was a huge fan of Fox when he first came in under Riga to replace the injured Wiggins - he really did well, but of late, I hold my hands up.
His problem at CAFC seems to have been, in hindsight, a lack of support from both midfield/widemen and central defence.
Just goes to show how little we know?
2nd game Page sent off
3rd game chicken injured
Jackson replaced chicksen received bad press on here and also to Robinson for poor substitution.
Would we have held on today?, I actually think we may of, we lost our shape when Chicksen went off, everybody saw that.
I just think Fox got too much abuse
He gave 110% every game, was he the complete left back - no but he never hid
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Each to their own. Great that you are happy with the way things are going, other's don't share your view - it's a shame if the general malaise born of 3+ years of this crap has gripped a lot of people, is getting old to you. That is your problem...Rob said:
Don't come on CL then Robbo. Looking at a lot of the comments on this thread you won't see a lot of "The fans and the players – there’s a connection" here. Personally I think it's getting really old.shirty5 said:
For me, encouraging signs -
We have a Manager who knows the English league
We are recruiting players that know the English league
We are playing better - 6 unbeaten and, really, we should have won today
Daisy is being kept quiet.
Let's get behind the team without the continual negative comments. Douche has made mistakes and I want him out as much as anyone but, he is improving so, while he's here, let's support the team.
Maybe there are people on here who don't want Charlton to do well just because it doesn't fit in with their cozy image of what they want Charlton to be. Shame if that's the case.
Like I said, all this negativity is getting old to me. And, yes, I do understand what has been happening to our club these last 3 years. But, it sure is a lot better now than when we were dealing with Peeters, Luzon and Fraeye and the likes of Naby Sarr, El-Hadji Ba, George Tucudean and Reza Ghoochannejhad every week. Not to mention Piotr Parzyszek, Yohann Thuram, Loic Nego and Christophe Lepoint.
The regime that gave us all those losers that you mention is still very much here & who is to say won't rear it won't rear it's ugly head again? I don't trust them.
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You're one of the classics I'm afraid. Like I said earlier in the thread, my love of Charlton isn't conditional. Obviously yours is.Oakster said:Changing times - used to set the alarm and tune in every Saturday morning to listen to the games - follow every kick on the commentary on here.
Now - had to remember to check the score 15 minutes after the game ended.
This self-promoting prick Robinson & the PR offensive is the final straw - it's dead to me until the Belgians are gone.3 -
By saying "this self-promoting prick Robinson" you're attacking the team not the regime imo.2
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So @Rob, please can you explain in logical terms to me how mid table in League One is better than mid table in Championship? Just struggling a bit to get my head round the improvement in the past three years?2
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Obviously mid table in League One isn't better than mid table in the Championship but you have to start somewhere. We are playing better in my opinion since Robinson has come in and I like the players he is bringing on board. If we get behind the team we just might get away from being mid table in League One.
Getting the Regime out is a different matter but that isn't Robinson's or the players' fault. Let's get behind the team.4 -
You are clearly the type of fan that this regime & it's PR machine. Will put up with all the crap they throw at us as long as we are unbeaten for 6 games in L1.Rob said:
You're one of the classics I'm afraid. Like I said earlier in the thread, my love of Charlton isn't conditional. Obviously yours is.Oakster said:Changing times - used to set the alarm and tune in every Saturday morning to listen to the games - follow every kick on the commentary on here.
Now - had to remember to check the score 15 minutes after the game ended.
This self-promoting prick Robinson & the PR offensive is the final straw - it's dead to me until the Belgians are gone.
Absolutely my love of Charlton is conditional - the condition is that it isn't being run into the ground by a guy who has patently no interest in us, doesn't attend games & delegates his authority to a CEO more interested in her career than her customers.
There is a bigger picture than a 1-1 draw with Fleetwood.
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That's where you're completely self-deceived. I want him to sell but you will not effect him or the timing of when he does. It will be his decision or the result of other factors. You and your well intentioned group may then claim credit but you will not have earned it. Meanwhile .................Oakster said:
It may be a "complete waste of time" to you - thankfully there are many out there committed to opposing this regime & actively doing something about it.KINSELLA7 said:you don't believe the PR any more than I do. But I have said all along that the continuing and obsessive but puny hostility of some fans is a complete waste of time. A man like Roland is just egged on by this to keep to any plan, misconceived or not, that he has.
Unless you enjoy being patronised, manipulated & lied to by a group of paid sycophants hanging grimly on to an arrogant, stay-away owner - while the club wallows in L1 mediocrity - you will thank the obsessive, puny & hostile fans that finally one day drive them out of our club.4 -
One thing winding me up is seeing people say play offs is out of reach, from the last 6 games only one team in the league has had a higher points return than us and that is Fleetwood. Being snobby and saying 'drawing to Fleetwood' suck it up, same league as them and they are having a good season. We have 18 games to go, 18. We are 6 points outside the play offs, a win today (which could have gone our way) would have made it 4 with a game in hand over the team sitting in 6th (Southend) who have had 3 less points than us in their last 6 games.
When you actually look at the table and the games we have coming up and the fact we are definitely getting better, we could easily go on a run. Just find the out of reach messages a bit over the top, could see where you're coming from if there was 5 games to go or something but 18....13
