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Surrey County Council referendum on increasing council tax 15%

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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    one of the most affluent English counties .. BUT .. will the Surrey 'turkeys' really vote for the Christmas axe/surcharge
  • Northstandpieeater
    Northstandpieeater Posts: 730
    Apparently the councillers voted for an a payrise for themselves which was waa above the recxomended level
  • Sheepie1985
    Sheepie1985 Posts: 484
    In case anyone's still interested in this, they've agreed the 15% increase and plan to have it in place by April BEFORE any referendum. Am I right in saying that if this happens and the referendum votes against it, they won't repel the increase till April 2018? It's a frightening thought when some of us are just about scraping the money to get by each month already :(

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-38737443

  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    edited February 2017
    Who cares, it's only Palace and Man Utd fans that live in Surrey anyway

    :)
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    I live in Surrey and know nothing of this other than in the press. Can I link this with a recent revelation that Surrey along with Berks and Oxon, our richest counties have welcomed zero Syrian refugees.
  • LuckyReds
    LuckyReds Posts: 5,866
    Fiiish said:

    I said something along the lines in the Brexit thread 'if there was a referendum on paying more taxes or cutting public services, cutting would win'. You simply cannot trust the public to make these kinds of decisions on a rational basis for the greater good. This is basically the equivalent of mob rule, throwing the vulnerable out to be devoured by the wolves whilst you save your own skin.

    On the tax subject.. I agree.

    I genuinely feel taxes need to go up. Everyone raves about the scandic model; cracking time off, brilliant paternity/maternity leave, world class education... and so on. Yet no fucker wants to pay for it.

    Similarly, everyone moans about the police not being able to turn up to every single incident, prisons being overcrowded, A&E waiting times being excessive... etc. Yet no fucker wants to pay for these services. (Or to use them responsibly either.)

    I'd love to see how some people deal with their household budget.
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,972
    harveys gardener said:

    I live in Surrey and know nothing of this other than in the press. Can I link this with a recent revelation that Surrey along with Berks and Oxon, our richest counties have welcomed zero Syrian refugees.

    I live in Berkshire now and can see Oxfordshire from my house, but I am sure Surrey must be massively richer than both.
    I always feel uneasy there, it seems to comprise nothing more than twee villages brought to gridlock by twats in badly parked range rovers.
  • Sheepie1985
    Sheepie1985 Posts: 484
    I live in Surrey and this increase is probably the final straw in me not being able to afford to live here anymore
  • sunbury-addick
    sunbury-addick Posts: 1,929
    IdleHans said:

    harveys gardener said:

    I live in Surrey and know nothing of this other than in the press. Can I link this with a recent revelation that Surrey along with Berks and Oxon, our richest counties have welcomed zero Syrian refugees.

    I live in Berkshire now and can see Oxfordshire from my house, but I am sure Surrey must be massively richer than both.
    I always feel uneasy there, it seems to comprise nothing more than twee villages brought to gridlock by twats in badly parked range rovers.
    Haha, especially on school run, Sunbury used to be Middlesex, anyway, dont particularly like either and wish I was back in Greenwich
  • SOTF
    SOTF Posts: 1,149
    Referendum has now been scrapped, with a 4.99% increase agreed replacing the proposed 15%.

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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    SurvivaloftheFittest said:

    Referendum has now been scrapped, with a 4.99% increase agreed replacing the proposed 15%.

    4.99% !? ... tell you what, make it a fiver .. only a hair splitting committee could come up with that result
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,737
    edited February 2017
    The problem was and is, is that the council surely had to cost every service it provides and let the voters decide on what it wants and what it doesn't if it is was going to take that approach. Social Care is a massive issue that needs funding and will still need funding even if voters decide they don't wish to pay for it! The Government needs to address this issue to be fair to councils.
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    SurvivaloftheFittest said:

    Referendum has now been scrapped, with a 4.99% increase agreed replacing the proposed 15%.

    Adult social care staff will be to blame when people start dying.
  • Jodaius
    Jodaius Posts: 562
    Lincsaddick said:

    SurvivaloftheFittest said:

    Referendum has now been scrapped, with a 4.99% increase agreed replacing the proposed 15%.

    4.99% !? ... tell you what, make it a fiver .. only a hair splitting committee could come up with that result
    5% would require a referendum. 4.99% does not.
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,743
    Typical local politicians threaten to put it up by a totally unrealistic figure so when you do put it up to screw people they will accept it because it could have been worse.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,456
    Wheresmeticket? said:

    SurvivaloftheFittest said:

    Referendum has now been scrapped, with a 4.99% increase agreed replacing the proposed 15%.

    Adult social care staff will be to blame when people start dying.
    Won't be many left soon once they all go back home post Hard Brexit...
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,304
    Accusations flying around at PMQs today that Surrey have done a secret deal with the Govt to drop the referendum on the 15% rise.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    aliwibble said:

    Accusations flying around at PMQs today that Surrey have done a secret deal with the Govt to drop the referendum on the 15% rise.

    Yep.
    PMQ's,
    Tess goes on an NHS offensive, stats and everything, Jezza looks well on the back foot and Tess is glorying in it, then hey presto with one bound Jezza is free.
    He asks about a leaked special secret deal for Surrey to call off their referendum, and whether the special deal is available to all councils.
  • rikofold
    rikofold Posts: 4,051
    He really doesn't push these opportunities through in my view. That was a stormer of a revelation, but he seemed to back off when May was on the ropes.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    Jodaius said:

    Lincsaddick said:

    SurvivaloftheFittest said:

    Referendum has now been scrapped, with a 4.99% increase agreed replacing the proposed 15%.

    4.99% !? ... tell you what, make it a fiver .. only a hair splitting committee could come up with that result
    5% would require a referendum. 4.99% does not.
    was unaware .. thanks for the info

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  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    4.99% rise in order to start accepting refugees? Unlikely. Let them go to Labour areas, who have their budgets slashed.
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,570
    This won't receive the press it deserves as it gets swept under a wave of brexit based headlines
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    corbyn did well this week

    Corbyn 1 - 234293409234 The Tories
  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,284
    moutuakilla said:

    This won't receive the press it deserves as it gets swept under a wave of brexit based headlines

    I expect that may be the case indeed.

    If we had any sort of competent opposition they wouldn't let it and it'll be interesting to see whether the LGA run with it too. I heard Theresa Villiers on the radio earlier trying to play it down as the sort of chit chat that goes on all the time between LA's and the DCLG.

    Bullshit does it and if it turns out to be true that Surrey County Council has been offered a sweetener to drop the referendum (even if it's via a circuitous route like pushing through a capital grant) it'll be open season for all the other councils to give it a go.

    I said earlier on this thread that this was a threat designed to put pressure on the government and it appears to have worked.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,154
    We got rid of dodgy dave, now we have dodgy Teresa, things dont change, bent as usual
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,154
    Wonder what the tory press will have on their front pages tomorrow. No doubt some super life saving pill or weather forecast.
  • Jodaius
    Jodaius Posts: 562
    Bournemouth Addick said:

    moutuakilla said:

    This won't receive the press it deserves as it gets swept under a wave of brexit based headlines

    I expect that may be the case indeed.

    If we had any sort of competent opposition they wouldn't let it and it'll be interesting to see whether the LGA run with it too. I heard Theresa Villiers on the radio earlier trying to play it down as the sort of chit chat that goes on all the time between LA's and the DCLG.

    Bullshit does it and if it turns out to be true that Surrey County Council has been offered a sweetener to drop the referendum (even if it's via a circuitous route like pushing through a capital grant) it'll be open season for all the other councils to give it a go.

    I said earlier on this thread that this was a threat designed to put pressure on the government and it appears to have worked.
    Which is exactly why I'd be quite surprised if they have been offered any sort of 'sweetheart deal'. I suspect that there will be significant scrutiny of the Council's funding settlements and accounts for the next few years, and its going to be difficult for the government to give SCC any additional money in the near future without it being picked up.

    Councils can and do communicate with DCLG on funding matters, and I would not be surprised if the conversation was more focused on future developments such as how the forthcoming changes to business rates and funding formula review is likely to pan out, in an effort (which seems to have worked) to convince the leader of the council that a large rise in CTax was not necessary.

    This is of course pure speculation, but in my opinion seems more likely than any additional cash having been agreed in the short term.

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