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"newly elected supporters council"

Henry Irving
Henry Irving Posts: 85,478
in General Charlton
Posted this PDF on the POTY on another thread but the last line is interesting.

"Presentation of newly elected supporters council"

So by the end of April they will have organised and held elections for this unknown council.

Or will they have just hand picked them?

Where does this leave the Fans Forum and Target 20k?

I don't want to stand but it would be nice to let other fans know how they can.



http://www.cafc.co.uk/documents/potyd-proposal-for-discussion83-3589748.pdf
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  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    edited March 2017
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  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,660
    I like the line that says 'Ideas welcome'.

    Proof they haven't got a clue.
  • Pedro45
    Pedro45 Posts: 5,899
    Just fling it in under a subject completely disconnected, and hope that nobody notices. Tick box for FL and FA regs I guess, but still not listening to the fans that they don't want to. How can they chuck the whole revised POTY proposal out there when it has been rejected by the Fans Forum that is supposed to organise it!
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Newly elected like the back to the Valley celebration committee?

    Newly elected, go on then. Invite properly nominated candidates, decide who the electoral base will be (red card holders? Season ticket holders? Those with a history of attendance? Valley gold subscribers? Kit sponsors? Those with a history of following the club at away matches?). Hold scrutinised elections under the auspices of the Electoral Reform Society then.

    Henry calls it exactly right, there can be no properly elected supporter council in the timescale suggested and whoever thought it up doesn't understand how these things work?
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,947
    why does the Fans Forum need funds raised for it? Anyway, won't it be replaced by the Supporters Council.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,792
    edited March 2017
    The main flaw in the original fans' forum - and to a lesser extent in the elected director schemes - was that there were not enough people who had any interest in voting, or in the former case in serving.

    The only circumstances in which there is likely to be a credible turnout in such elections now is if candidates stand to oppose Duchatelet and Meire, which is presumably the opposite of what they want.

    This supporters' council is a fantasy project based on a gross misreading of the fanbase, especially in the current situation. It will be another humiliation for Meire if it proceeds.
  • Dansk_Red
    Dansk_Red Posts: 5,743
    Holding the event on a Bank Holiday Weekend, also can see the carnage if we lose to Swindon and get relegated, I personally do not think this format will work, but they could throw in a free match day tickets as part of the deal. Would I pay £35 and get stuck with Roger J on my table, no thanks.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,876
    Dansk_Red said:

    Holding the event on a Bank Holiday Weekend, also can see the carnage if we lose to Swindon and get relegated, I personally do not think this format will work, but they could throw in a free match day tickets as part of the deal. Would I pay £35 and get stuck with Roger J on my table, no thanks.

    Sniff.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,225
    The proposed 'supporters council' seems to be very underhand.

    Such an 'organisation' would normally be shouted from the rooftops by the club as an example of open communication with fans.

    The fact that it is not means that they have hand-picked the members and that it, therefore, cannot possibly be representative.

    If all you have in a group is those who acquiesce to the club, it cannot succeed or achieve anything remotely worth doing.

    Maybe I am too cynical, but it sounds to me more like an anti-CARD group.
  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    Who says they can't organise this in time? They are announcing Kid-for-Quid and Football-for-a-Fiver nowadays with virtually no notice or promotion, so I am sure they manage do this. Do you know they have dedicated this evening's big match to Football v Homophobia? That was announced elsewhere yesterday. To be fair, the response to these events is so 'meh' nowadays I can understand the lack of concern over adequate planning. Curry Night anyone? Still haven't heard how the dessert of blueberry muffins went down after the 'spicy balti.'

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  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,396
    The Brown Nose Supporters Council
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,676
    Hardly the actions of a club looking for a new owner is it ?
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,512
    If it was an open an elected body then it would not help them much as I can think of some easily elected candidates that would be the club's worst nightmare.
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,512
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Hardly the actions of a club looking for a new owner is it ?

    Or you could say it is a CEO trying to show prospective new bosses that she is doing her best to win back fans.
  • Hovi's Biscuit
    Hovi's Biscuit Posts: 1,717
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Hardly the actions of a club looking for a new owner is it ?

    Alternatively it could just be flattus parping out of the corpse
  • Tutt-Tutt
    Tutt-Tutt Posts: 3,297
    Creation of a Pocket Borough.

    Judging by the way people are not attending games anymore, soon to become a Rotten Borough.

    I nominate Pitt the Even Younger.
  • Big William
    Big William Posts: 3,866
    Tutt-Tutt said:

    Creation of a Pocket Borough.

    Judging by the way people are not attending games anymore, soon to become a Rotten Borough.

    I nominate Pitt the Even Younger.

    LOL, with Pitt the embryo as trainee
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,968
    Pitt the Toddler
    Pitt the Embryo
    Pitt the Glint in the Milkman's eye.
  • Tunwellsaddick
    Tunwellsaddick Posts: 2,462
    The SMT has no credibility. Who would want to be on a "Supporters Council" with them? Total waste of time.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,345
    edited March 2017
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  • rikofold
    rikofold Posts: 4,051
    Airman Brown said:

    The main flaw in the original fans' forum - and to a lesser extent in the elected director schemes - was that there were not enough people who had any interest in voting, or in the former case in serving.

    The only circumstances in which there is likely to be a credible turnout in such elections now is if candidates stand to oppose Duchatelet and Meire, which is presumably the opposite of what they want.

    This supporters' council is a fantasy project based on a gross misreading of the fanbase, especially in the current situation. It will be another humiliation for Meire if it proceeds.

    I make you right Airman. However you can guarantee it will be season ticket holders only. They won't be ticking the fan engagement box without the democracy and they won't risk that.

    If by some miracle they do open it up, we should nominate the CASTrust chair. The trust is the only truly democratic fan organisation we have, and frankly they should stop trying to bypass them and engage properly. About as much chance of that as Meire running the club properly.

    Clueless.
  • Dippenhall
    Dippenhall Posts: 3,927
    edited March 2017
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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,676
    edited March 2017
    Airman raises an interesting point. Why not put up an anti Duchatelet candidate ? I'm sure that on that basis whoever was nominated would secure a lot of votes.

    If the candidate was rejected because of their platform it would be almost as much of of a PR embarrassment and of interest to the media as the candidate actually winning.

    A win win situation ?
  • addick1965
    addick1965 Posts: 5,092
    edited March 2017
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  • grumpyaddick
    grumpyaddick Posts: 6,599
    I nominate George Orwell
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 11,101
    Cardinal Sin said:

    Who says they can't organise this in time? They are announcing Kid-for-Quid and Football-for-a-Fiver nowadays with virtually no notice or promotion, so I am sure they manage do this. Do you know they have dedicated this evening's big match to Football v Homophobia? That was announced elsewhere yesterday. To be fair, the response to these events is so 'meh' nowadays I can understand the lack of concern over adequate planning. Curry Night anyone? Still haven't heard how the dessert of blueberry muffins went down after the 'spicy balti.'

    Bloody homophobia let me down for £400, missed a penalty in injury time.

  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,292
    cfgs said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Hardly the actions of a club looking for a new owner is it ?

    Or you could say it is a CEO trying to show prospective new bosses that she is doing her best to win back fans.
    Absolutely this. I can just see Meire pitching up at the FA looking for one of those three reserved board places and telling them that she's so concerned for fans rights that she's instituted a supporters council at Charlton and that she wants to be inclusive to everyone so she's focused her work on race and homophobia issues. They'll be so keen to appease the equal rights campaigners that they won't challenge or scrutinise what she's done in any way. Next stop, Katrien Meire the most hopeless, ineffective and unpleasant specimen of a CEO will have a place on the FA board. It will be a an absolute travesty and it will put both football and women's rights a step back. But it will happen, and when it does you can remember that Nostrastigus warned you.
  • N01R4M
    N01R4M Posts: 2,577
    I have no doubt this is already on WAR's radar, following their response to her BBC interview. The FA's own publicity on the proposed changes is devoid of any indication that it will be anything more than a box-ticking exercise.
  • Clem_Snide
    Clem_Snide Posts: 11,805
    rikofold said:

    Airman Brown said:

    The main flaw in the original fans' forum - and to a lesser extent in the elected director schemes - was that there were not enough people who had any interest in voting, or in the former case in serving.

    The only circumstances in which there is likely to be a credible turnout in such elections now is if candidates stand to oppose Duchatelet and Meire, which is presumably the opposite of what they want.

    This supporters' council is a fantasy project based on a gross misreading of the fanbase, especially in the current situation. It will be another humiliation for Meire if it proceeds.

    I make you right Airman. However you can guarantee it will be season ticket holders only. They won't be ticking the fan engagement box without the democracy and they won't risk that.

    If by some miracle they do open it up, we should nominate the CASTrust chair. The trust is the only truly democratic fan organisation we have, and frankly they should stop trying to bypass them and engage properly. About as much chance of that as Meire running the club properly.

    Clueless.
    Hang on, didn't the trust say no more dialogue?

    Might be wrong, but I am sure that was their stance.
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,776
    Clem_Snide said:

    rikofold said:

    Airman Brown said:

    The main flaw in the original fans' forum - and to a lesser extent in the elected director schemes - was that there were not enough people who had any interest in voting, or in the former case in serving.

    The only circumstances in which there is likely to be a credible turnout in such elections now is if candidates stand to oppose Duchatelet and Meire, which is presumably the opposite of what they want.

    This supporters' council is a fantasy project based on a gross misreading of the fanbase, especially in the current situation. It will be another humiliation for Meire if it proceeds.

    I make you right Airman. However you can guarantee it will be season ticket holders only. They won't be ticking the fan engagement box without the democracy and they won't risk that.

    If by some miracle they do open it up, we should nominate the CASTrust chair. The trust is the only truly democratic fan organisation we have, and frankly they should stop trying to bypass them and engage properly. About as much chance of that as Meire running the club properly.

    Clueless.
    Hang on, didn't the trust say no more dialogue?

    Might be wrong, but I am sure that was their stance.
    Have a look here for clarification back in January;

    http://www.castrust.org/2017/01/where-does-cas-trust-stand/

    Best to read it all but an extract;

    "However, in line with our constitution, we also remain committed to communication. As outlined in our 2015/16 annual report (and confirmed at our November 2016 AGM) we aim to ensure that strategic dialogue in accordance with EFL rules is maximised. The club have stated that the Fans Forum is their preferred vehicle for this. We have serious reservations about the suitability of the Fans Forum for this purpose but we are nevertheless committed to the principle of strategic dialogue and we aim to conduct dialogue in a way which will ensure that the views and aspirations of our members are trenchantly expressed and that the executive are held to account."

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