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The General Election - June 8th 2017

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  • EU will welcome Britain back if election voters veto Brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/european-parliament-will-welcome-britain-back-if-voters-veto-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

    So if the Liberal Democrats and SNP (and/or Labour with an about face) said in their manifesto that they would reverse Brexit if in power it could happen? With the referendum being so close and many probably getting Brexit buyer regrets with no new hospitals forthcoming or access to single market, the opposition parties could do a lot worse than take this line.
  • and silly season really has started;


    I Don't quite know why Councillor Tamoor Tariq, felt the need to tweet the following;

    The PM had months to call a general election & she decides to call it during ramadam, disgrace and inconsiderate to 3M muslims!

    the guy has since turned his twitter to private.

    Cue a Guardian opinion article "Would Theresa May have called an election if it was during Lent?! Racist!"
  • Huskaris said:

    Cue a Guardian opinion article "Would Theresa May have called an election if it was during Lent?! Racist!"
    The Guardian had an opinion piece today claiming that robots, machines, and software are inherently racist and sexist because the main coding languages are based on English, which, according to the author, is also an inherently racist and sexist language. Your suggestion for an article is far too sensible by comparison.
  • Best speech I have seen him deliver to be honest! But he can't win the election - we all know that.
    Oh, I agree. It was definitely better than expected, was just confused as to what was spooking him or whether he was actually OK.
  • I reckon as Charlton fans it's your duty not to support anything other than red! :wink:
  • Chizz said:



    Could someone far better informed than me explain the constitutional significance of this? Perhaps @seth plum or @northernirishaddick - or anyone else..?

    It seems strange to set about campaigning for a general election while concurrently negotiating for the make-up of the Assembly.

    Wouldn't it be better to give them a deadline - say four weeks before 8 June - and, if they haven't agreed a power-share, hold another Assembly election on the same day as the GE?
    I have a sneaking suspicion that there is no real feeling that a deal is likely, and that a fourth vote in c12 months here might not prove too popular.

    IMHO, I think they are trying to avoid the reintroduction of direct rule at a time when there is no-one available to directly rule (taking on a new Department would seriously affect the time available for MPs and SpAds to campaign in England or Wales).

    That, and they don't want to wreck the TV schedules, we'd end up watching a new Party Political Broadcast channel over here.....

    Though it might keep John Pienaar busy.
  • edited April 2017

    I think proportional representation has to be looked at again at some point. It was rejected quite recently of course but since then there has been a seismic shift in the political landscape.

    I am no UKIP supporter but their representation in parliament compared to the number of. Votes they polled is hardly democratic. With the left of centre vote of labour / Lib Dems / Greens split we are very much in danger of having a one party state. Its unhealthy and undemocratic.

    I'm a fan of PR, which was not exactly what the referendum considered (I think that was AV). The Single Transferable Vote, with larger constituencies returning multiple MPs (so that the HoC has the same number, but no party can have a majority with less than 40% of the vote) is easy to understand and ensures that no-one who can be arsed to vote, using the system, will truly be disenfranchised.

    In truth, accepting Cameron's maybe AV offer instead of the more desperate Brown's guaranteed PR in 2010, may be seen as Nick Clegg's greatest political miscalculation.
  • Registered for vote from abroad yesterday and will follow the build up with great interest. The media here are portraying it as the next step in the self-inflicted chaos and division going on in the UK, although elections here have been awful the last years - the last one took a year to decide on the government!

    a year? lazy Spanish.

    which brings me to the viewpoint of every proper Englishman on the rest of the world... (make sure you listen to the end of Terry's speech to hear why Brexit is a good idea)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNiTo_TbeQ
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  • I have a sneaking suspicion that there is no real feeling that a deal is likely, and that a fourth vote in c12 months here might not prove too popular.

    IMHO, I think they are trying to avoid the reintroduction of direct rule at a time when there is no-one available to directly rule (taking on a new Department would seriously affect the time available for MPs and SpAds to campaign in England or Wales).

    That, and they don't want to wreck the TV schedules, we'd end up watching a new Party Political Broadcast channel over here.....

    Though it might keep John Pienaar busy.

    John Pienaar is a Palace fan so even though I like him I don't like him.
  • If ever there was a reason to not vote Lib Dem, it's that Party Political on after the BBC news tonight, jesus wept
  • if the lib dems do well he wont be PM anyway neither would Corbyn
  • Hopefully an easy win for the Tories.

  • Hopefully an easy win for the Tories.

    Gonna piss it according to the YouGov bloke on morning telly, not that they're anything to go by
  • could well be that the tories don't get the landslide majority that many are predicting ..
  • edited April 2017
    I'm gonna give it serious consideration and probably take my advice from Judge Rinder and Jeremy Kyle.
  • edited April 2017

    Hopefully an easy win for the Tories.

    Assuming you're around 25 years old as the name suggests you have presumably only ever experienced a Tory led administration as an adult.

    During that time young people have had a particular poor hand dealt them under a Tory PM in my view. Given that, I'm genuinely interested in why you feel another 5 years of Tory rule are in your (or your peer groups) best interests?
  • EU will welcome Britain back if election voters veto Brexit

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/european-parliament-will-welcome-britain-back-if-voters-veto-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

    So if the Liberal Democrats and SNP (and/or Labour with an about face) said in their manifesto that they would reverse Brexit if in power it could happen? With the referendum being so close and many probably getting Brexit buyer regrets with no new hospitals forthcoming or access to single market, the opposition parties could do a lot worse than take this line.

    Too late.
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  • Assuming you're around 25 years old as the name suggests you have presumably never only ever experienced a Tory led administration as an adult.

    During that time young people have had a particular poor hand dealt them under a Tory PM in my view. Given that, I'm genuinely interested in why you feel another 5 years of Tory rule are in your (or your peer groups) best interests?
    Winding up lefties is in his best interests
  • Maybe it's just me but two days in and i'm bored of it all already. I trust very few of them and can't say I like many of them either. Can't wait to read the manifesto's that none of them will even remotely stick to......

    Labour under it's current leadership will be akin to Roland being in charge. Conservatives more akin to The Spiv's.

    For the 1st time since 1992 I can't bare to vote for any of them!
  • Rob7Lee said:

    Maybe it's just me but two days in and i'm bored of it all already. I trust very few of them and can't say I like many of them either. Can't wait to read the manifesto's that none of them will even remotely stick to......

    Labour under it's current leadership will be akin to Roland being in charge. Conservatives more akin to The Spiv's.

    For the 1st time since 1992 I can't bare to vote for any of them!

    If Labour are Roland, Conservatives are Bechetti
  • WTF?

    Listen mate, do you know where I got the phrase "good ordinary people" from? I've quoted it often enough on here. It was used by Jon Sadler in his brilliant tear-inducing report in the Sun of our playoff final, and was how he described both sets of supporters. So I count myself as one of those ordinary people, same as I do Chippy. If you know Eltham, and you know Elibank Road you'll know that the kids brought up there were not exactly privileged. The only fundamental difference I see between myself and Chippy is that I can fucking spell and got good English grades but that's only because my Dad decided to teach me to read even while I was at Deansfield nursery school. My Mum by the way still lives there, opposite the house where we lived. And she and her family originally came from the North. Darlington, Redcar, places like that. So don't go giving me any lectures about ordinary people, if you don't mind.

    The reason why I picked on Chippy (as he thinks anyway) is this; one of the few things he has told us about himself is that he is normally a Labour voter. Well so was I until 1997. I have never voted Tory in my life. And that's because of my undying contempt for the strand of greedy, exploitative extreme-right politics that always lurks within the country and what it did to ordinary people, especially at the height of Thatcherism. It is these people who have used Brexit as a chance to propel themselves back into positions of power. Whoever thought we would see Redwood again. IDS. Howard,. Lawson. Tebbitt. They're all back, on the back of Brexit. And if Chippy knows his history, he should know that they are the ones with real contempt for oridnary people. And now they are joined and financed by Aaron Banks, a man so committed to democracy that he says in an interview that he could not give a fuck about Electoral Commission rules. These are the people using Brexit as a tool to regain power and re-shape Britain in their extreme right-wing vision. And Chippy and millions like him have been duped into bringing them back to the heart of power.

    Now maybe you don't mind. Maybe you agree with their policies and ambitions. Maybe you are rich enough to feel that you will be alright, Jack, whatever they do. But the ordinary people will not be alright under those people. And I vote the way I do, because actually I worry and care about ordinary people, because emotionally I remain one of them and never stopped feeling that way.

    Brilliantly said mate - could not agree more
  • Chizz said:
    Aah, Phil Rodgers - someone else using his porn name rather than his real one.
  • Doesn't count as it wasn't tweeted by a staunch Liberal Democrat, so there.
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Roland Out Forever!