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The 2017 Summer Transfer Rumours Thread (Deadline Day from page 264)

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  • superclive
    superclive Posts: 1,809
    Konsa is definatley that good. And is easily championship top half quality. Easily.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    Redhenry said:

    Henry Irving said:

    Redhenry said:

    If we get 8 mill for Konsa and sign all the players we need for promotion, I would be happy.

    We won't get £8m for Konza seeing as we got less than that upfront for Lookman, a striker.

    And Robinson was given just 400k of that to spend despite promotion still being a possibility in January (as Millwall who were within one point of us at the time proved).

    Why not 8 mill? Not a lot for some prem clubs. I didn't say we would get 8 mill to spend, just enough to get us promoted. The rest will go towards paying for the regimes past errors. Lots of those to be paid for btw.
    £8m not a lot to Prem clubs but you can see similar players going for a lot less. He's never played above league 1. Gomez went for less and was more of a prospect.

    Agree with on the "just enough" and "past errors" although one of past errors has not giving coaches "enough" in terms of quality and depth of squad because Duchatelet does understand those concepts.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,007
    Will Hughes just went for 8m and he's an U21 international and been a championship regular for at least 4 years. We'd be lucky to get 4m for Konsa.
  • dajavouslagan
    dajavouslagan Posts: 723
    Gomez went for 3.5 million because of that clause in his contract. Easily worth more of course. As for Konsa put a hefty price on his head or else he stays.
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    superclive said:

    Konsa is definatley that good. And is easily championship top half quality. Easily.

    Really? He's not even a guarenteed starter for us, I wouldn't start him at the minute.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Will Hughes just went for 8m and he's an U21 international and been a championship regular for at least 4 years. We'd be lucky to get 4m for Konsa.

    If he can recover his form, potentially Watford have got themselves a bargain there. I bet Derby never imagined that when Hughes left it would be for Watford rather than one of the big boys
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    edited June 2017
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Will Hughes just went for 8m and he's an U21 international and been a championship regular for at least 4 years. We'd be lucky to get 4m for Konsa.

    £4.5M up front. The rest is add-ons.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    edited June 2017
    cafc_harry said:

    superclive said:

    Konsa is definatley that good. And is easily championship top half quality. Easily.

    Really? He's not even a guarenteed starter for us, I wouldn't start him at the minute.
    Konsa has masses of promise, but for me there's a slightly danger of John Stones syndrome, where because a player looks classy on the ball, the bread and butter side of the game (marking, heading etc) gets overlooked
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Konsa is going to be a special player, and if there is any kind of auction situation, and given the wealth of the prem, then I would not be prepared to sell him for less than 7-8 million with a whole host of extra clauses. This is my personal view, very much coloured by the amount of money sloshing around the premier league. Don't sell him anyway, he is contracted.
    if a prem club buys him it will be for the long term, if we sell him it will be to cover the short term financial disaster Katrien and Roland have created.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Fortunately Djiksteel is better than Konsa. We just need to tie him to a long deal.
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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    harveys_gardener said:

    Fortunately Djiksteel is better than Konsa. We just need to tie him to a long deal.

    Done http://mobile.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-anfernee-dijksteel-contract-extension-3545951.aspx

    Signed up until 2020.

    Can you really be sure he's better until he's played for the first team? It's not just about ability it's consistency, how they cope with the extra pressure etc.
  • RugbyAddick
    RugbyAddick Posts: 2,079
    I would be happy with £4m for Konsa. Anything above that is a bonus. I don't even think he's ready for the Championship. I think there's better but would be good to keep him. He's still young and will be better this season.
  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,135
    Apart from the general principle that you never get anywhere if you repeatedly sell your best players, I think most of us will have two specific problems with flogging off Ezri Konsa: first, given the absence of any real football ambition, the proceeds will simply disappear into regime's black hole (as to which, look at the minuscule outlay following the sales of Lookman and Fox); and, secondly, it will only serve to fuel the delusion that Duchatelet's player farm strategy is capable of working (and potentiall delay his departure).

    The alternative approach is trying to build a side which can get us up and which is capable of competing in the Championship. Sadly, I think we know that this is not going to happen under the present ownership.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    edited June 2017
    I think Konsa did well in his first season.

    He wasn't helped by the constant protests having to play under two different managers, in multiple formations and in an often struggling side.

    He also played in three different positions (RB/CH/DM0 and alongside different team mates almost every game.

    All that will be a good learning experience for him but also means he didn't have a prolonged spell in his preferred position within a strong and stable side.

    With all those things sorted next season he'll have a better chance to shine and might well be worth more then than now.
  • kings hill addick
    kings hill addick Posts: 5,781
    I would be staggered if we got more than £2m for Konsa. We got £2.5m for JBG and he is a full international who scores goals.

    Konsa may we'll be a great player one day but £8 plus the kind of wages that go with it could cost a manager a job.

    For all but the top sides £8m needs to go straight into the first team - he can't even get into our side in front of Pearce, Bauer or Texteria.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Henry Irving said:

    I think Konsa did well in his first season.

    He wasn't helped by the constant protests having to play under two different managers, in multiple formations and in an often struggling side.

    He also played in three different positions (RB/CH/DM0 and alongside different team mates almost every game.

    All that will be a good learning experience for him but also means he didn't have a prolonged spell in his preferred position within a strong and stable side.

    With all those things sorted next season he'll have a better chance to shine and might well be worth more then than now.

    Don't bring your logical arguments to this regime.

  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    edited June 2017
    I think Konsa would not go for any more than Rob Holding went for last year.

    Guessing £3M.

    And not one cent of that will be spent on any new transfers. Okay.... maybe $500k.
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 11,983
    Here's a question for you;
    Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that).
    Would you sell Konza or Ricky?
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    Valley11 said:

    Here's a question for you;
    Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that).
    Would you sell Konza or Ricky?

    Konsa all day long.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Scoham said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    Fortunately Djiksteel is better than Konsa. We just need to tie him to a long deal.

    Done http://mobile.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-anfernee-dijksteel-contract-extension-3545951.aspx

    Signed up until 2020.

    Can you really be sure he's better until he's played for the first team? It's not just about ability it's consistency, how they cope with the extra pressure etc.
    Djiksteel is the next Patrick Vierra. Trust me.
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  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    edited June 2017
    Valley11 said:

    Here's a question for you;
    Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that).
    Would you sell Konza or Ricky?

    Assuming all the money would be spent, and we get at least £3M.... Konsa.

    We could bring in both Ryan Leonard and Marcus Maddison at that price, plus have money left over to give Ben Reeves the wages to come here.

  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,256
    Valley11 said:

    Here's a question for you;
    Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that).
    Would you sell Konza or Ricky?

    Ricky, as I feel Marshall, Clarke, Fosu, Aribo, possibly Ceballos and any new additions should be enough

    Konsa can cover 3 different positions and is only going to get better
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    NapaAddick said:

    Valley11 said:

    Here's a question for you;
    Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that).
    Would you sell Konza or Ricky?

    Assuming all the money would be spent, and we get at least £3M.... Konsa.

    We could bring in both Ryan Leonard and Marcus Maddison at that price, plus have money left over to give Ben Reeves the wages to come here.

    Doubt we'd get either of them regardless. Championship teams in for both or at least Leonard. On top of that it'd be ridiculous to sign that many attacking midfielders.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Be careful what you wish for !
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    harveys_gardener said:

    Scoham said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    Fortunately Djiksteel is better than Konsa. We just need to tie him to a long deal.

    Done http://mobile.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-anfernee-dijksteel-contract-extension-3545951.aspx

    Signed up until 2020.

    Can you really be sure he's better until he's played for the first team? It's not just about ability it's consistency, how they cope with the extra pressure etc.
    Djiksteel is the next Patrick Vierra. Trust me.
    So you're saying he'll become one of the best ever Premier League central midfielders?
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    Scoham said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    Scoham said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    Fortunately Djiksteel is better than Konsa. We just need to tie him to a long deal.

    Done http://mobile.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-anfernee-dijksteel-contract-extension-3545951.aspx

    Signed up until 2020.

    Can you really be sure he's better until he's played for the first team? It's not just about ability it's consistency, how they cope with the extra pressure etc.
    Djiksteel is the next Patrick Vierra. Trust me.
    So you're saying he'll become one of the best ever Premier League central midfielders?
    And win dozens of caps for France
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    In the longer term Konsa may go on to be an excellent player

    In terms of 2017/18 and a promotion bid, Holmes (and indeed Pearce and Magennis) are more important
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989
    Scoham said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    Scoham said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    Fortunately Djiksteel is better than Konsa. We just need to tie him to a long deal.

    Done http://mobile.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-anfernee-dijksteel-contract-extension-3545951.aspx

    Signed up until 2020.

    Can you really be sure he's better until he's played for the first team? It's not just about ability it's consistency, how they cope with the extra pressure etc.
    Djiksteel is the next Patrick Vierra. Trust me.
    So you're saying he'll become one of the best ever Premier League central midfielders?
    You should know by now that harveys_gardener thinks most of our Academy players are better than they are.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Covered End said:

    Scoham said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    Scoham said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    Fortunately Djiksteel is better than Konsa. We just need to tie him to a long deal.

    Done http://mobile.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-anfernee-dijksteel-contract-extension-3545951.aspx

    Signed up until 2020.

    Can you really be sure he's better until he's played for the first team? It's not just about ability it's consistency, how they cope with the extra pressure etc.
    Djiksteel is the next Patrick Vierra. Trust me.
    So you're saying he'll become one of the best ever Premier League central midfielders?
    You should know by now that harveys_gardener thinks most of our Academy players are better than they are.
    Thought I'd ask in case Karl had hacked his account.

    "Joe is like a young Patrick Vieira with his leggy range, quality and appetite to get around the pitch," boss Karl Robinson (on Aribo)
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    edited June 2017
    Valley11 said:

    Here's a question for you;
    Say we have to sell one player to fund the promotion push (even though you'd think the Ade money would pay for that).
    Would you sell Konza or Ricky?

    Holmes as he's older and his value will drop while Konsa's should rise.

    But it's false question. We have a multi-millionaire owner so we shouldn't need to sell to buy. Keep both.

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