The 2017 Summer Transfer Rumours Thread (Deadline Day from page 264)
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Yes - I suppose now Kiely is no longer employed by Norwich the poaching clause is not valid.ForeverAddickted said:
Surely if Dean Kiely has been sacked by Norwich he can go wherever he wants as the Clause in Neil's Contract won't be applicable to Kiely now as he's not on the Norwich payroll?JohnfromNorfolk said:Not transfer related but may interest a few posters.
I was at a party last night and got chatting to a bloke who is the chef for the Norwich City team.
I was quite surprised that he not only prepared the pre match meal for the players but also traveled to away matches for post match meals.
He said his next away match was at the Valley.
We discussed the sacking of Dean Kiely this week and he said what a really nice bloke Dean was.
Always prepared to thank the chap for his food preparation.
I asked him if Kiely would end up with Alex Neil at Preston but he said Norwich City had a clause in Neils contract that prevented the poaching of more than one coach and one of the coaches had already joined Preston.
The local newspaper reported that Kiely would not be joining Preston.
Be good if he returned to Charlton.
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Sarr has many fault, but whenever I've seen him play he has always looked good in the air.vff said:
Sarr is on a contract until 2020. It is unclear whether he will improve or whether the blunders can be coached out of his game. Also whether Sarr is any good in the air or suited to British football, particularly in league one, where that is essential.Redrobo said:Who do you think Robbo rates more. Lennon or Sarr?
Lennon has played at this level and did quite well at Gillingham (they wanted him back), but has had a long lay off with an injury so we do not know how this has affected him, and was he that great anyway?
Sarr is a big lump, also left footed, passes the ball quite well but was prone to a few howlers?
Who should leave?
Lennon is on a contract to 2018, promising at times, did well at Gillingham, but has been injured & needs to improve on fitness.
Given the length of contract & the likelihood of Sarr being anything but a back up central defender & the question as whether Sarr can cope with aerial part of the game, if Charlton could move on Sarr on favourable terms without having to subsidise half his wages, It would be Sarr to go for me.
Sarr could improve though, anything is possible, even Sheff Utd came good eventually.1 -
I'd argue that this is literally their job, and something that I think gets overlooked far too often in the modern game. This British notion of hiring "Managers" who look to "bring in their own men" is antiquated. You should first try to make the players you have better. That's what a coach does. None of this wheeler dealer nonsense.Starinnaddick said:
Can the coaching staff improve Sarr ? He has all the physical attributes .Redrobo said:Who do you think Robbo rates more. Lennon or Sarr?
Lennon has played at this level and did quite well at Gillingham (they wanted him back), but has had a long lay off with an injury so we do not know how this has affected him, and was he that great anyway?
Sarr is a big lump, also left footed, passes the ball quite well but was prone to a few howlers?
Who should leave?
By the way, I'm not saying Robinson has done this necessarily. I think each of his signings have addressed a weakness in the squad, even if all of them don't pan out.2 -
Sarr is very good in the air and more comfortable on the ball than Lennon, Bauer or Pearce. He is quicker than them all too, despite being the most physically imposing of the lot. I believe his weaknesses are awareness, concentration and positional sense relating to his teammates7
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Exactly.sam3110 said:Sarr is very good in the air and more comfortable on the ball than Lennon, Bauer or Pearce. He is quicker than them all too, despite being the most physically imposing of the lot. I believe his weaknesses are awareness, concentration and positional sense relating to his teammates
He "looks" like a modern football and am sure has great stats on FM or FIFA which explains why Driesen recommended him but he just wasn't any good when he played football for us.4 -
Yeah but the people at Lyon, Sporting, and the French youth setup seemed to think he was a decent footballer...Henry Irving said:
Exactly.sam3110 said:Sarr is very good in the air and more comfortable on the ball than Lennon, Bauer or Pearce. He is quicker than them all too, despite being the most physically imposing of the lot. I believe his weaknesses are awareness, concentration and positional sense relating to his teammates
He "looks" like a modern football and am sure has great stats on FM or FIFA which explains why Driesen recommended him but he just wasn't any good when he played football for us.0 -
Did sporting or Lyon keep him or take him back last season? Is he getting in the French team now?SDAddick said:
Yeah but the people at Lyon, Sporting, and the French youth setup seemed to think he was a decent footballer...Henry Irving said:
Exactly.sam3110 said:Sarr is very good in the air and more comfortable on the ball than Lennon, Bauer or Pearce. He is quicker than them all too, despite being the most physically imposing of the lot. I believe his weaknesses are awareness, concentration and positional sense relating to his teammates
He "looks" like a modern football and am sure has great stats on FM or FIFA which explains why Driesen recommended him but he just wasn't any good when he played football for us.1 -
No. But my point is Driessen isn't the only one who saw something in him because of his FM/FIFA stats.Henry Irving said:
Did sporting or Lyon keep him or take him back last season? Is he getting in the French team now?SDAddick said:
Yeah but the people at Lyon, Sporting, and the French youth setup seemed to think he was a decent footballer...Henry Irving said:
Exactly.sam3110 said:Sarr is very good in the air and more comfortable on the ball than Lennon, Bauer or Pearce. He is quicker than them all too, despite being the most physically imposing of the lot. I believe his weaknesses are awareness, concentration and positional sense relating to his teammates
He "looks" like a modern football and am sure has great stats on FM or FIFA which explains why Driesen recommended him but he just wasn't any good when he played football for us.1 -
Driesen didn't see anything in him because he wouldn't have saw him at all!2
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He's god awful ; I cannot imagine he has got better after his loan spellsam3110 said:Sarr is very good in the air and more comfortable on the ball than Lennon, Bauer or Pearce. He is quicker than them all too, despite being the most physically imposing of the lot. I believe his weaknesses are awareness, concentration and positional sense relating to his teammates
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Someone on Facebook saying Robinson is after Alex Bruce don't know how true !!3
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I'd be very surprised if Alex Bruce is playing league 1 football this season. I thought he might go Villa as a squad player0
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Correct. But you missed out he's ****ing hopeless.sam3110 said:Sarr is very good in the air and more comfortable on the ball than Lennon, Bauer or Pearce. He is quicker than them all too, despite being the most physically imposing of the lot. I believe his weaknesses are awareness, concentration and positional sense relating to his teammates
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Sarr is now officially the scapegoat. He has played well in pre-Season. But some people are never going to give him a chance. He is a young player and will improve.17
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Pre-season doesn't mean shit - players need to be judged on league games and for that reason Sarr should be shown the door at the earliest opportunity and I'd take Reeves over Ceballos.7
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"Get some proper British players in" is how we ended up with Crofts btw3
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You're both right, Crofts is the result of overpaying on others, and also a fixation with getting players in. Hopefully he'll be relegated to fourth choice in central midfield this year (Kashi, JFC, Aribo).0
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Any criticism these days and the "scapegoat" card comes out. Are we meant to just deem every player fantastic ? Nabby Sarr is one of the worst players I've seen in my 25 years of supporting Charlton and it will take several good performances for me to change my view .dickplumb said:Sarr is now officially the scapegoat. He has played well in pre-Season. But some people are never going to give him a chance. He is a young player and will improve.
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But he's played well against a couple of Irish village teams and Greenwich Borough, how are you not convinced that he's the second coming of Bobby Moore ?wmcf123 said:
Any criticism these days and the "scapegoat" card comes out. Are we meant to just deem every player fantastic ? Nabby Sarr is one of the worst players I've seen in my 25 years of supporting Charlton and it will take several good performances for me to change my view .dickplumb said:Sarr is now officially the scapegoat. He has played well in pre-Season. But some people are never going to give him a chance. He is a young player and will improve.
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Being a Charlton fan, as you can all probably identify with, I've seen some awful performances through the years. They all sort of blend into one after a while.
But that performance by Naby Sarr away to Colchester in the cup is burned so deep into my memory... *shudder* I can close my eyes and still see him repeatedly falling on his arse in slow motion, bemused look on his face, as Moncur and a rock bottom Colchester side strolled past him at will. Sorry I need to lie down in a darkened room.10 -
I think there's middle ground. I have seen him play 3 times, once ok and twice poorly. I don't particular want him around, I think we need 4 CB's which we have in Bauer, Lennon, Pearce and Konsa, so I would offload him. However, he's played better than Bauer so far in pre-season and I am not totally against giving him a chance if Lennon were to leave and he would be 4th choice. Wouldn't want him any higher than that though.se9addick said:
But he's played well against a couple of Irish village teams and Greenwich Borough, how are you not convinced that he's the second coming of Bobby Moore ?wmcf123 said:
Any criticism these days and the "scapegoat" card comes out. Are we meant to just deem every player fantastic ? Nabby Sarr is one of the worst players I've seen in my 25 years of supporting Charlton and it will take several good performances for me to change my view .dickplumb said:Sarr is now officially the scapegoat. He has played well in pre-Season. But some people are never going to give him a chance. He is a young player and will improve.
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Sarr > Harry Lennon. He was never even that bad. Was poor in a poor team.2
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I've seen him be absolutely dreadful. But I take the point that he was playing in a rotten team. Could he be ok at this level? Maybe. We didn't exactly get a huge sample of data from watching him start a handful of games.cafc_harry said:Sarr > Harry Lennon. He was never even that bad. Was poor in a poor team.
But claiming to know that he's better than Lennon is a bit silly.
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Lennon's main contribution in every game he's played in has been conceding penalties or getting sent off.daveydanger said:
I've seen him be absolutely dreadful. But I take the point that he was playing in a rotten team. Could he be ok at this level? Maybe. We didn't exactly get a huge sample of data from watching him start a handful of games.cafc_harry said:Sarr > Harry Lennon. He was never even that bad. Was poor in a poor team.
But claiming to know that he's better than Lennon is a bit silly.2 -
He's played 12 times, at our lowest ebb, surrounded by shite.wmcf123 said:
Any criticism these days and the "scapegoat" card comes out. Are we meant to just deem every player fantastic ? Nabby Sarr is one of the worst players I've seen in my 25 years of supporting Charlton and it will take several good performances for me to change my view .dickplumb said:Sarr is now officially the scapegoat. He has played well in pre-Season. But some people are never going to give him a chance. He is a young player and will improve.
If KR sees him in training every day and deems him worthy then I'll trust that above anyone on here
He's actually a better footballer than a lot of defenders I've seen - he just needs games and experience alongside someone who can guide him with a bit of experience
He's a young lad playing in a foreign land. It can't be easy.and its not his fault we paid what we paid for him.12 -
Sounds just the right sort of player to sign, on high wages and an insanely long contract, to see you through a tough Championship season.Swisdom said:
He's played 12 times, at our lowest ebb, surrounded by shite.wmcf123 said:
Any criticism these days and the "scapegoat" card comes out. Are we meant to just deem every player fantastic ? Nabby Sarr is one of the worst players I've seen in my 25 years of supporting Charlton and it will take several good performances for me to change my view .dickplumb said:Sarr is now officially the scapegoat. He has played well in pre-Season. But some people are never going to give him a chance. He is a young player and will improve.
If KR sees him in training every day and deems him worthy then I'll trust that above anyone on here
He's actually a better footballer than a lot of defenders I've seen - he just needs games and experience alongside someone who can guide him with a bit of experience
He's a young lad playing in a foreign land. It can't be easy.and its not his fault we paid what we paid for him.9 -
The main difference between Sarr and Lennon is that the former is on a long and expensive contract, completely out of kilter with L1 football, and one which few suitors are likely to match.
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That's true, but not relevant to the quality of players. I'm just saying that Lennon gets a pass from negativity because he's from the youth system while Sarr gets slagged off constantly just because KM was dumb enough to give him the deal, it's not his fault.killerandflash said:The main difference between Sarr and Lennon is that the former is on a long and expensive contract, completely out of kilter with L1 football, and one which few suitors are likely to match.
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He gets slagged off because he is utter garbage.cafc_harry said:
That's true, but not relevant to the quality of players. I'm just saying that Lennon gets a pass from negativity because he's from the youth system while Sarr gets slagged off constantly just because KM was dumb enough to give him the deal, it's not his fault.killerandflash said:The main difference between Sarr and Lennon is that the former is on a long and expensive contract, completely out of kilter with L1 football, and one which few suitors are likely to match.
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