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So there never was a decent budget for this summer, was there?

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  • Nicholas
    Nicholas Posts: 7,676
    edited July 2017
    Feel sorry for Ricky Holmes he was mugged of like JBG was when he was convinced to sign another contract. JBG was lucky as he was young enough to still be able to make the step up, Ricky may never get that chance now.
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,396
    MrLargo said:

    Timely interview with Tubby McScouser. Call me cynical but the bit I've highlighted sounds like chapter 1 of the fairytale entitled "Why we didn't sign any players even though we're really ambitious, going for promotion and told you that we've learned from our mistakes".

    I hate him. I hate him for being an obnoxious pain in the arse, and I hate him for clearly signing up to a deal whereby he uses his interviews to make excuses for the owner's lack of ambition.

    http://www.kentlive.news/i-made-some-big-mistakes-at-mk-dons-with-signings-reveals-charlton-athletic-boss-karl-robinson/story-30447738-detail/story.html

    "I'll be honest with you, I made some big mistakes at MK Dons where I was so eager to bring players in so soon," admitted Robinson. "I did it one year and I didn't bring in the type of player that aided the success of the club. And I learned from that very early on. Sometimes going with what you've got and youth players are sometimes better than who you can bring in immediately.

    Obviously been told to bring more youngsters through. We are a player farm after all.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Nicholas said:

    Feel sorry for Ricky Holmes he was mugged of like JBG was when he was convinced to sign another contract. JBG was lucky as he was young enough to still be able to make the step up, Ricky may never get that chance now.

    The fact that RH has signed doesn't mean he won't be sold, just that the buyer needs deeper pockets.
  • HantsAddick
    HantsAddick Posts: 2,423
    Of course not.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,424
    Our owner does not care about results - he has told us enough times. He also wants us to break even which he has said many times - in fact it is the only strategy he has given us albeit failed to deliver on.

    KM said on very many occasions at the end of last season we would not even be close to repeating previous losses in future. Turnover is way down due to slashed TV money in league one and less fan revenue whilst wages will still be high. That leaves nothing in the pot for transfer fees or much for wages.

    If people believed the garbage that comes out of KR or Colin (have they ever been seen in the same room) then they are bonkers. We will middle on with half built squads and continue to talk up the ones that got away at the end of transfer window.

    I really don't know what to make of our squad at the moment. Keeper position is weak, RB we rely on Solly who sadly looked on the wane last season; CB I only have faith in Konsa and Pearce, LB maybe ok if we get DeSilva, midfield looks hit and miss, lots of players who on their day look too good for this division but how often will their day be, and upfront I am one of the few that just does not really rate Magennis and the other options are poor or untried. I do not see us as promotion candidates unless some of the kids turn out to be world beaters.

  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,487
    Maybe I'm an optimist but I still think we have a decent squad, at least IMSO.

    Is that squad balanced enough, no not really.

    Is that squad too reliant on players with poor injury records, yes.

    Is that squad too dependent on kids to fill gaps, certainly.

    But given the rub of the green, few injuries and a few more quality signings then this squad should definitely be looking at top six. At least.

    But a lot of people, me included, thought we'd do well last year and it didn't happen.

    Partly that was because Slade didn't get the midfielder he wanted, partly because Slade was so cautious and partly because we had injuries.

    I'm not sure about Robinson or that he is flexible enough tactically but our club desperately needs some success on the pitch this season.

    UTA
  • sinceiwasyoung
    sinceiwasyoung Posts: 1,040
    Our owner doesn't care about Charlton, St Truiden is his priority. Just wish he would fuck off .
  • Nug
    Nug Posts: 4,633
    LargeAddick said:

    Halix said:

    Can't see how we can complain about a small player budget, whilst still advocating a season ticket boycott, we cant expect to have it both ways.

    who has ever advocated a season ticket boycott?
    About 5,000 Charlton fans have advocated a personal one
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,451
    I won't comment on the playing ability of the squad, mainly because I don't know enough about them, the exception being Solly and the skipper. But looking back to last season, Lookman sold and loanees returned their respective clubs. Manager has list of required players 5/6 (if I remember rightly) sadly because some clubs take liberties (because we are Charlton) that number is not achieved. This season 5/6 are required to make the target of promotion achievable, instead 2/3 players are sold/loaned (no fees are disclosed) loanees are returned to their respective clubs with 2/3 players coming in. Been there and heard it all before springs to mind. Have I gone wrong anywhere?
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,823
    T.C.E said:

    I won't comment on the playing ability of the squad, mainly because I don't know enough about them, the exception being Solly and the skipper. But looking back to last season, Lookman sold and loanees returned their respective clubs. Manager has list of required players 5/6 (if I remember rightly) sadly because some clubs take liberties (because we are Charlton) that number is not achieved. This season 5/6 are required to make the target of promotion achievable, instead 2/3 players are sold/loaned (no fees are disclosed) loanees are returned to their respective clubs with 2/3 players coming in. Been there and heard it all before springs to mind. Have I gone wrong anywhere?

    And for half of last season, we had a player of Lookman's quality. The squad we have at the minute is weaker than the one that started last season and too reliant on players such as Watt and Kashi to perform.

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  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,304
    MrLargo said:

    Timely interview with Tubby McScouser. Call me cynical but the bit I've highlighted sounds like chapter 1 of the fairytale entitled "Why we didn't sign any players even though we're really ambitious, going for promotion and told you that we've learned from our mistakes".

    I hate him. I hate him for being an obnoxious pain in the arse, and I hate him for clearly signing up to a deal whereby he uses his interviews to make excuses for the owner's lack of ambition.

    http://www.kentlive.news/i-made-some-big-mistakes-at-mk-dons-with-signings-reveals-charlton-athletic-boss-karl-robinson/story-30447738-detail/story.html

    "I'll be honest with you, I made some big mistakes at MK Dons where I was so eager to bring players in so soon," admitted Robinson. "I did it one year and I didn't bring in the type of player that aided the success of the club. And I learned from that very early on. Sometimes going with what you've got and youth players are sometimes better than who you can bring in immediately.

    .
  • Bostonaddick
    Bostonaddick Posts: 851
    To airmans point, youth player sales primarily go to cover operating deficit gap. Player transfer (in) budget is completely independent of player sales. That being said I still contend that we are not in our current position due to lack of spend but rather spending poorly on poor players because decisions are being made by attorneys, administrators and so called businessmen who don't understand football and don't understand how to evaluate talent. If the fees spent in Sarr, Bergdich etc were spent wisely we wouldn't be in league one right now
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Anybody that thought Gobby was going to get the Lookman money to spend is living in dream land.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,409
    edited July 2017
    KR told us it was the biggest budget he had ever had...
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,630
    Scoham said:

    Ross said:

    Is it the wage bill that is the problem, and not the budget for transfer fees?

    We needed them off the wage bill to comply with financial fair play if we brought new signings in?

    Nope, not according to the club - http://www.castrust.org/2017/07/david-joyes-salary-cap-protocol-not-a-problem/

    At the Fans Forum meeting on 23rd June Chief Finance officer David Joyes made it clear that the salary cap management protocol (whereby player costs must not exceed 60% of turnover) will not be a problem this season for Charlton Athletic.
    He forgot to mention that this was going to be achieved by sourcing players through Volunteer Now*....




    *My favourite CSR volunteering organisation, a bit like Business in the Community, but they don't charge organisations (and have organised better events in my experience).
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,792
    Bostonaddick said:

    To airmans point, youth player sales primarily go to cover operating deficit gap. Player transfer (in) budget is completely independent of player sales. That being said I still contend that we are not in our current position due to lack of spend but rather spending poorly on poor players because decisions are being made by attorneys, administrators and so called businessmen who don't understand football and don't understand how to evaluate talent. If the fees spent in Sarr, Bergdich etc were spent wisely we wouldn't be in league one right now

    Indeed. They have spent plenty of money - just incredibly badly.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,823
    Airman Brown said:

    Bostonaddick said:

    To airmans point, youth player sales primarily go to cover operating deficit gap. Player transfer (in) budget is completely independent of player sales. That being said I still contend that we are not in our current position due to lack of spend but rather spending poorly on poor players because decisions are being made by attorneys, administrators and so called businessmen who don't understand football and don't understand how to evaluate talent. If the fees spent in Sarr, Bergdich etc were spent wisely we wouldn't be in league one right now

    Indeed. They have spent plenty of money - just incredibly badly.
    So right. Tex is a half decent player, but how many half decent League One players would his annual salary get you? I'd say probably three! It isn't about the money spent but how badly it is and has been spent. And that has a negative effect on us. The people behind our transfers and strategy are useless. But instead, it is always the manager that gets the sack! It is incredible and depressing.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,280
    cantersaddick said:

    KR told us it was the biggest budget he had ever had...

    To be fair it probably is. The likes of Pearce, Holmes, Solly, Watt, Kashi, Bauer, Marshall, Clarke etc will almost certainly be amongst the top earners in this division
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,276
    Scoham said:

    Ross said:

    Is it the wage bill that is the problem, and not the budget for transfer fees?

    We needed them off the wage bill to comply with financial fair play if we brought new signings in?

    Nope, not according to the club - http://www.castrust.org/2017/07/david-joyes-salary-cap-protocol-not-a-problem/

    At the Fans Forum meeting on 23rd June Chief Finance officer David Joyes made it clear that the salary cap management protocol (whereby player costs must not exceed 60% of turnover) will not be a problem this season for Charlton Athletic.
    As high earners will have come off the payroll
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,757
    Crusty54 said:

    Scoham said:

    Ross said:

    Is it the wage bill that is the problem, and not the budget for transfer fees?

    We needed them off the wage bill to comply with financial fair play if we brought new signings in?

    Nope, not according to the club - http://www.castrust.org/2017/07/david-joyes-salary-cap-protocol-not-a-problem/

    At the Fans Forum meeting on 23rd June Chief Finance officer David Joyes made it clear that the salary cap management protocol (whereby player costs must not exceed 60% of turnover) will not be a problem this season for Charlton Athletic.
    As high earners will have come off the payroll
    I think it's more to do with the money that came in from selling Lookman, Fox, JBG, Pope and anyone else I've missed.

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  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    The truth slowly dribbling out of the fat scouse gobshite's beery maw: "...Sometimes going with what you've got and youth players are sometimes better than who you can bring in immediately..." Well quel effing surprise, roly's piggy bank is closed again. Gobbinson is gonna have to blunder on with what he has, which is shorthanded and unbalanced. As soon as a few injuries and suspensions kick in, the FSG can look forward to xmas at the labour exchange.
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,929
    Hartleypete said:

    You see this is where the language barrier causes problems, Roland told Gobinson that he would be getting a decent size budgie this summer!

    no doubt perched in the Jimmy SEED stand
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,234
    lolwray said:

    Hartleypete said:

    You see this is where the language barrier causes problems, Roland told Gobinson that he would be getting a decent size budgie this summer!

    no doubt perched in the Jimmy SEED stand
    Who needs the stripy eagle?

    image
  • AddickedAthletic
    AddickedAthletic Posts: 834
    Surely its wages that are the problem not transfer fees. And with crowds of 7-8000 I would guess that budget will only get lower. We were a big club in the lower leagues, currently based on attendances we are a mid table league 1 club and I guess the budget will have to reflect that
    I understand why fans have stayed away and I am one of them but we can't have it both ways
  • AddickedAthletic
    AddickedAthletic Posts: 834
    edited July 2017
    Halix said:

    Can't see how we can complain about a small player budget, whilst still advocating a season ticket boycott, we cant expect to have it both ways.

    Sorry Halix posted without reading your post
  • WestCountryAddick
    WestCountryAddick Posts: 2,545
    edited July 2017
    Henry Irving said:

    Maybe I'm an optimist but I still think we have a decent squad, at least IMSO.

    Is that squad balanced enough, no not really.

    Is that squad too reliant on players with poor injury records, yes.

    Is that squad too dependent on kids to fill gaps, certainly.

    But given the rub of the green, few injuries and a few more quality signings then this squad should definitely be looking at top six. At least.

    But a lot of people, me included, thought we'd do well last year and it didn't happen.

    Partly that was because Slade didn't get the midfielder he wanted, partly because Slade was so cautious and partly because we had injuries.

    I'm not sure about Robinson or that he is flexible enough tactically but our club desperately needs some success on the pitch this season.

    UTA

    These have been the major issues in our squads ever since Duchatelet took over, therefore it's business as usual. So basically, don't get excited, it's probably going to be another shit season. We've seen it all before.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,792
    edited July 2017
    AddickedAthletic said:

    Surely its wages that are the problem not transfer fees. And with crowds of 7-8000 I would guess that budget will only get lower. We were a big club in the lower leagues, currently based on attendances we are a mid table league 1 club and I guess the budget will have to reflect that
    I understand why fans have stayed away and I am one of them but we can't have it both ways

    We had the fourth highest attendances in L1 last season - it's quite hard to see us dropping out of the top six this season, especially as there is a fairly steep decline required to reach halfway.

    Of course, it's revenue that matters and for various reasons our revenue will be relatively worse, but that is partly the club's choice given that 40 per cent of 2017/18 STs will only have generated around £200k because of where they are in the ground.

    Even if we still had 10,000 STs, the revenue would be substantially down on current pricing. It's significant, but the club's wage bill is much greater than the ticket receipts in the first place.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,164
    I thought KM said gate money was not important
  • kings hill addick
    kings hill addick Posts: 5,781
    ross1 said:

    I thought KM said gate money was not important

    No, I think you'll find that she said that the fans aren't important.

    Or maybe she didn't actually say that she just behaves as though we don't matter.
  • mascot88
    mascot88 Posts: 9,764
    I've got this horrible feeling we are in for a real relation battle this year, the way things have been handled over the last few years, you just can't keep doing it until the bottom falls out.

    Horribly upsetting of course not that these c**** give a f***

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