The 2017 Summer Transfer Rumours Thread (Deadline Day from page 264)
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The £3.5m will help pay for Sarr's wages which must be significant...0
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Calm down it's a rumour from some bloke on 606.16
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I think we've had better and have got better in dijksteel and dont mind him being sold. The problem is, this means Roland thinks his plan is working1
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Substantiated by Airman Brown.Redhenry said:Calm down it's a rumour from some bloke on 606.
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If Konsa goes, fear not, cometh the hour, cometh the man, 3rd time lucky I say......26
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You're forgetting the whole issue of not having a proper squad and relying on youth players to be back up in every position which has been our undoing in each of the last 3 seasons.Todds_right_hook said:
Dijksteel(spelling) looks a lot better defensive midfielder and I don't rate konsa at right back. I would prefer Barnes as back up. Is he a guaranteed starter at centre back ahead of Bauer and Pearce over a 46 game season? Konsa has a lot to learn and sellinghim will not mean relegation.cantersaddick said:
Erm by selling out best (and only) ball playing centre back, who is also our right back and centre mid cover, for peanuts and not investing any of the money.Todds_right_hook said:
How does selling konsa take us closer to league 2?Athletico Charlton said:If true then...
£3.5M price.
We get 5% back to spend on the team, so £175K.
Ben Amos, Clarke and Fosu.
Roland gets closer to break even.
We get closer to league two.
Konsa is a young player but is proven at this level we cannot afford to lose him at centre back let alone the versatility and cover he brings in multiple other positions given the lack of depth and lack of utility players in the squad.7 -
One step forward. Four steps back9
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Absolutely. I would also hope that our ambitions extend beyond avoiding relegation. Any self-respecting club of Charlton's stature would be totally focused in trying to get back into the Championship. Instead, we find ourselves the lowest ranked London club and with an owner who has zero emotional attachment to the club, can only give it 1.5% of his time and attention and who appears content to coast along in League 1.cantersaddick said:
You're forgetting the whole issue of not having a proper squad and relying on youth players to be back up in every position which has been our undoing in each of the last 3 seasons.Todds_right_hook said:
Dijksteel(spelling) looks a lot better defensive midfielder and I don't rate konsa at right back. I would prefer Barnes as back up. Is he a guaranteed starter at centre back ahead of Bauer and Pearce over a 46 game season? Konsa has a lot to learn and sellinghim will not mean relegation.cantersaddick said:
Erm by selling out best (and only) ball playing centre back, who is also our right back and centre mid cover, for peanuts and not investing any of the money.Todds_right_hook said:
How does selling konsa take us closer to league 2?Athletico Charlton said:If true then...
£3.5M price.
We get 5% back to spend on the team, so £175K.
Ben Amos, Clarke and Fosu.
Roland gets closer to break even.
We get closer to league two.
Konsa is a young player but is proven at this level we cannot afford to lose him at centre back let alone the versatility and cover he brings in multiple other positions given the lack of depth and lack of utility players in the squad.6 -
Not quite. I've said that I've heard there is a firm offer for Konsa for £3.5m. I've also heard that Charlton want to sell him.Covered End said:
Substantiated by Airman Brown.Redhenry said:Calm down it's a rumour from some bloke on 606.
I haven't heard anything about what the player wants or said that Charlton have accepted the offer.2 - Sponsored links:
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But Dijksteel would start as...fifth choice for the midfield two. And RCC as sixth choice. Icantersaddick said:
You're forgetting the whole issue of not having a proper squad and relying on youth players to be back up in every position which has been our undoing in each of the last 3 seasons.Todds_right_hook said:
Dijksteel(spelling) looks a lot better defensive midfielder and I don't rate konsa at right back. I would prefer Barnes as back up. Is he a guaranteed starter at centre back ahead of Bauer and Pearce over a 46 game season? Konsa has a lot to learn and sellinghim will not mean relegation.cantersaddick said:
Erm by selling out best (and only) ball playing centre back, who is also our right back and centre mid cover, for peanuts and not investing any of the money.Todds_right_hook said:
How does selling konsa take us closer to league 2?Athletico Charlton said:If true then...
£3.5M price.
We get 5% back to spend on the team, so £175K.
Ben Amos, Clarke and Fosu.
Roland gets closer to break even.
We get closer to league two.
Konsa is a young player but is proven at this level we cannot afford to lose him at centre back let alone the versatility and cover he brings in multiple other positions given the lack of depth and lack of utility players in the squad.
When it comes to RB, I think Barnes has looked good in preseason, and according to seth looked good for the U23s last year. But beyond that we have RCC, who I thought looked very, very good against Dover, and Dijksteel, who apparently looked very good against Norwich.
Maybe it'd be better to have two experienced right backs, especially someone who could push Solly, but at this point I think that would be to the detriment of Barnes' development, and perhaps that of the other two. There is never a perfect time to blood youngsters in serious competitions. But I think the three of them have shown in pre-season that they're at least ready to be given a shot. Having three options not including Konsa allows us to spread the risk around a bit, so if Barnes isn't ready one of the other could step in.2 -
Selling Konsa for £3 might be a give away, but if say £2m went to KR, it could help us get promoted - a bit like the Jenkinson deal helped Powell. If the first part happened, I wouldn't expect the second part to with this mob!3
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A division higher than us.All_Thaid_Up said:I don't think the bid for Konsa is a prem club but a championship one.
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I blame the Belgians.Swisdom said:£3.5 is not enough imo. He's going to be an awesome ball playing centre back. What did John Stones go for when he was younger - Konsa makes fewer mistakes than he did then and he just went for £46m
The money in the prem is ludicrous so £3.5 on a punt is peanuts0 -
Precisely.ricky_otto said:
It would be if the £3.5m went to Robinson to spend on players and not in to Roly's bank account.dickplumb said:I like Konsa, but 3.5 million is a very good price.
3.5 or 35 million it is almost irrelevant to the playing side of the club.
Where does the money go? Spread around his clubs, reducing our losses, or as Mr Otto said, Duchatelet's ever expanding bank balance.0 -
Whatever the problems with Slater and Jiminez, at least they wanted the team to progress and it was out in the open that the Jenkinson money was given to Powell.MuttleyCAFC said:Selling Konsa for £3 might be a give away, but if say £2m went to KR, it could help us get promoted - a bit like the Jenkinson deal helped Powell. If the first part happened, I wouldn't expect the second part to with this mob!
This lot could not get a non-league team successful.19 -
'We' never get the cash, Roland does.Swisdom said:Josh is in the last year of his contract and we've already heard Robbo saying he wants to get him to sign a new one. Maybe he has refused that so we are looking to get some cash
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£3.5million is good for any League 1 club, its just a massive shame that it goes into the pockets of dutwataelet.
As for Josh Wright, id like to see him here as direct replacement for Crofts and use Crofts here and there for his experience at times. Haven't seen him play but judging by what I have read on here, you cant have a CM who cant run...or pass.1 -
At the Valley, Charlton supporters can see future premiership stars........but not for very long, if Duchatelet can make any money from them.4
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Looked well up for it v Norwichuie2 said:
Have read others on here saying Josh doesn't look interested in pre-season games!Swisdom said:Josh is in the last year of his contract and we've already heard Robbo saying he wants to get him to sign a new one. Maybe he has refused that so we are looking to get some cash
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It's not entirely accurate to say that RD is pocketing all these transfer fees, as that would imply the club was profit making and he was pocketing these surpluses.
What they are doing is helping pay for the losses the club has made since he took over, much of which has been caused by some terrible transfer decisions in previous years, some from the reduced attendances and the rest probably inevitable in the current football climate.
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this is where it is harsh towards RD and co. If Konsa wants to leave, and we get a decent fee, then that's fair enough. We can' stop things like that happening.vff said:At the Valley, Charlton supporters can see future premiership stars........but not for very long, if Duchatelet can make any money from them.
Of course, I am not defending them. The issue is what gets reinvested, which is usually very little.5 -
If selling Konsa enabled us to bring in Reeves and a striker then fai enough.cafcfan1990 said:
this is where it is harsh towards RD and co. If Konsa wants to leave, and we get a decent fee, then that's fair enough. We can' stop things like that happening.vff said:At the Valley, Charlton supporters can see future premiership stars........but not for very long, if Duchatelet can make any money from them.
Of course, I am not defending them. The issue is what gets reinvested, which is usually very little.
But we all know that it doesn't work like that under this lot.1 -
Totally agree, but if Konsa has had his head turned and wants to go, that is just one of those things. That is happening more and more in modern football, not RD's fault.blackpool72 said:
If selling Konsa enabled us to bring in Reeves and a striker then fai enough.cafcfan1990 said:
this is where it is harsh towards RD and co. If Konsa wants to leave, and we get a decent fee, then that's fair enough. We can' stop things like that happening.vff said:At the Valley, Charlton supporters can see future premiership stars........but not for very long, if Duchatelet can make any money from them.
Of course, I am not defending them. The issue is what gets reinvested, which is usually very little.
But we all know that it doesn't work like that under this lot.
We have a couple of decent prospects, but I saw Konsa as the last multi-million pound player. I do hope his sale means RD is willing to lower his price for the club and get lost.1 -
The Ben Reeves case has got tiresome now and dont really care if he does sign with us or not.
Of course if its us the club that are messing around with signing him then fair enough but seeing that Reeves has had offers from MK Dons | Charlton | Sheffield United | Abroad it seems as though he's messing around himself now!!2 -
As above to accuse RD of pocketing the money misses the point that the club is making huge losses which he has been funding, he is what £50-£60M into Charlton now at a guess, he can hardly be accused of taking money out of us. Some of these losses are his fault but the reality of life outside of the PL is that we make a loss no matter how we are run IMO as our fixed costs are too high against our turnover even discounting player costs.
The issue with selling someone like Konsa at this point in his development is that it does not cure the fact we are loss making it just plugs the gap for a few months whilst weakening our first team and the squad.
What is RD's game plan here? We can't and won't break even (only a deluded and hopeless optimist would think this is a viable long term plan) and by selling our best players every year we won't go up and at some point we will go down again. Further relegation means even less value in the club, less revenue, wider losses and fewer young players wanting to join our supposed player farm.
(Before someone jumps in saying selling Konsa won't lead to relegation, I know that but selling our best players constantly and replacing with less adequate ones does and has and to me, nothing has changed on this front the whole time this mob have been in charge, including the last few months).
The whole concept is so badly flawed that really I can't believe that a billionnaire and an educated lady would give it any credence. I just simply don't get it.11 -
I think the point with the losses is that RD is loaning money to the club. This means he is not actually funding the losses and pouring money in.
Despite that, I agree with his gameplan. All those loans just put the price of the club up to the point that he can't sell.
At some point, he will have to lower his price and accept repayments over a longer period of time or even just forget them altogether.1 -
They only thing I would disagree with is I think you are being far too kind saying SOME of the losses are his fault. The incompetant way in which he and his useless CEO have run the club is the reason it is making the losses and is stuck in league one.1
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Never forget that the £54m (to 2016 but it won't have changed much) includes the £18m he paid for the club which was left on the books in 2014 as interest-bearing debt. Since the assets have a value that's not real debt, even though it represents losses run up under Jimenez.Athletico Charlton said:As above to accuse RD of pocketing the money misses the point that the club is making huge losses which he has been funding, he is what £50-£60M into Charlton now at a guess, he can hardly be accused of taking money out of us. Some of these losses are his fault but the reality of life outside of the PL is that we make a loss no matter how we are run IMO as our fixed costs are too high against our turnover even discounting player costs.
The issue with selling someone like Konsa at this point in his development is that it does not cure the fact we are loss making it just plugs the gap for a few months whilst weakening our first team and the squad.
What is RD's game plan here? We can't and won't break even (only a deluded and hopeless optimist would think this is a viable long term plan) and by selling our best players every year we won't go up and at some point we will go down again. Further relegation means even less value in the club, less revenue, wider losses and fewer young players wanting to join our supposed player farm.
(Before someone jumps in saying selling Konsa won't lead to relegation, I know that but selling our best players constantly and replacing with less adequate ones does and has and to me, nothing has changed on this front the whole time this mob have been in charge, including the last few months).
The whole concept is so badly flawed that really I can't believe that a billionnaire and an educated lady would give it any credence. I just simply don't get it.
A further chunk is unpaid interest on debt, now accruing at £1.8m a year. Net cash in to the business under RD at 2016 was therefore closer to £30m. We can read the accounts too, Roly.7 -
The football club has been operating at a loss for many years. Selling a player has always been used to reduce the debt. Billy Bonds sold for £50,000 was the first in my time.3
