Selling Konsa for £3 might be a give away, but if say £2m went to KR, it could help us get promoted - a bit like the Jenkinson deal helped Powell. If the first part happened, I wouldn't expect the second part to with this mob!
Whatever the problems with Slater and Jiminez, at least they wanted the team to progress and it was out in the open that the Jenkinson money was given to Powell.
This lot could not get a non-league team successful.
Josh is in the last year of his contract and we've already heard Robbo saying he wants to get him to sign a new one. Maybe he has refused that so we are looking to get some cash
£3.5million is good for any League 1 club, its just a massive shame that it goes into the pockets of dutwataelet. As for Josh Wright, id like to see him here as direct replacement for Crofts and use Crofts here and there for his experience at times. Haven't seen him play but judging by what I have read on here, you cant have a CM who cant run...or pass.
Josh is in the last year of his contract and we've already heard Robbo saying he wants to get him to sign a new one. Maybe he has refused that so we are looking to get some cash
Have read others on here saying Josh doesn't look interested in pre-season games!
It's not entirely accurate to say that RD is pocketing all these transfer fees, as that would imply the club was profit making and he was pocketing these surpluses.
What they are doing is helping pay for the losses the club has made since he took over, much of which has been caused by some terrible transfer decisions in previous years, some from the reduced attendances and the rest probably inevitable in the current football climate.
At the Valley, Charlton supporters can see future premiership stars........but not for very long, if Duchatelet can make any money from them.
this is where it is harsh towards RD and co. If Konsa wants to leave, and we get a decent fee, then that's fair enough. We can' stop things like that happening.
Of course, I am not defending them. The issue is what gets reinvested, which is usually very little.
At the Valley, Charlton supporters can see future premiership stars........but not for very long, if Duchatelet can make any money from them.
this is where it is harsh towards RD and co. If Konsa wants to leave, and we get a decent fee, then that's fair enough. We can' stop things like that happening.
Of course, I am not defending them. The issue is what gets reinvested, which is usually very little.
If selling Konsa enabled us to bring in Reeves and a striker then fai enough. But we all know that it doesn't work like that under this lot.
At the Valley, Charlton supporters can see future premiership stars........but not for very long, if Duchatelet can make any money from them.
this is where it is harsh towards RD and co. If Konsa wants to leave, and we get a decent fee, then that's fair enough. We can' stop things like that happening.
Of course, I am not defending them. The issue is what gets reinvested, which is usually very little.
If selling Konsa enabled us to bring in Reeves and a striker then fai enough. But we all know that it doesn't work like that under this lot.
Totally agree, but if Konsa has had his head turned and wants to go, that is just one of those things. That is happening more and more in modern football, not RD's fault.
We have a couple of decent prospects, but I saw Konsa as the last multi-million pound player. I do hope his sale means RD is willing to lower his price for the club and get lost.
The Ben Reeves case has got tiresome now and dont really care if he does sign with us or not.
Of course if its us the club that are messing around with signing him then fair enough but seeing that Reeves has had offers from MK Dons | Charlton | Sheffield United | Abroad it seems as though he's messing around himself now!!
As above to accuse RD of pocketing the money misses the point that the club is making huge losses which he has been funding, he is what £50-£60M into Charlton now at a guess, he can hardly be accused of taking money out of us. Some of these losses are his fault but the reality of life outside of the PL is that we make a loss no matter how we are run IMO as our fixed costs are too high against our turnover even discounting player costs.
The issue with selling someone like Konsa at this point in his development is that it does not cure the fact we are loss making it just plugs the gap for a few months whilst weakening our first team and the squad.
What is RD's game plan here? We can't and won't break even (only a deluded and hopeless optimist would think this is a viable long term plan) and by selling our best players every year we won't go up and at some point we will go down again. Further relegation means even less value in the club, less revenue, wider losses and fewer young players wanting to join our supposed player farm.
(Before someone jumps in saying selling Konsa won't lead to relegation, I know that but selling our best players constantly and replacing with less adequate ones does and has and to me, nothing has changed on this front the whole time this mob have been in charge, including the last few months).
The whole concept is so badly flawed that really I can't believe that a billionnaire and an educated lady would give it any credence. I just simply don't get it.
They only thing I would disagree with is I think you are being far too kind saying SOME of the losses are his fault. The incompetant way in which he and his useless CEO have run the club is the reason it is making the losses and is stuck in league one.
As above to accuse RD of pocketing the money misses the point that the club is making huge losses which he has been funding, he is what £50-£60M into Charlton now at a guess, he can hardly be accused of taking money out of us. Some of these losses are his fault but the reality of life outside of the PL is that we make a loss no matter how we are run IMO as our fixed costs are too high against our turnover even discounting player costs.
The issue with selling someone like Konsa at this point in his development is that it does not cure the fact we are loss making it just plugs the gap for a few months whilst weakening our first team and the squad.
What is RD's game plan here? We can't and won't break even (only a deluded and hopeless optimist would think this is a viable long term plan) and by selling our best players every year we won't go up and at some point we will go down again. Further relegation means even less value in the club, less revenue, wider losses and fewer young players wanting to join our supposed player farm.
(Before someone jumps in saying selling Konsa won't lead to relegation, I know that but selling our best players constantly and replacing with less adequate ones does and has and to me, nothing has changed on this front the whole time this mob have been in charge, including the last few months).
The whole concept is so badly flawed that really I can't believe that a billionnaire and an educated lady would give it any credence. I just simply don't get it.
Never forget that the £54m (to 2016 but it won't have changed much) includes the £18m he paid for the club which was left on the books in 2014 as interest-bearing debt. Since the assets have a value that's not real debt, even though it represents losses run up under Jimenez.
A further chunk is unpaid interest on debt, now accruing at £1.8m a year. Net cash in to the business under RD at 2016 was therefore closer to £30m. We can read the accounts too, Roly.
The football club has been operating at a loss for many years. Selling a player has always been used to reduce the debt. Billy Bonds sold for £50,000 was the first in my time.
The football club has been operating at a loss for many years. Selling a player has always been used to reduce the debt. Billy Bonds sold for £50,000 was the first in my time.
The difference being that with this lot selling players is the end, not the means. Fans understand sales are necessary, but they don't view them as the point of the club.
Is £3.5m a lot with the money floating around this summer? It's pennies, especially to a Premier League club or team with parachute money. Again though, irrelevant as it all goes in Roland's pocket the same as the other £20m+ he's made form player sales in the last 18-24 months while Robinson is left to scramble around for a goalkeeper and centre forward on the cheap.
The football club has been operating at a loss for many years. Selling a player has always been used to reduce the debt. Billy Bonds sold for £50,000 was the first in my time.
Assuming that the money goes back into the club and not elsewhere.
The football club has been operating at a loss for many years. Selling a player has always been used to reduce the debt. Billy Bonds sold for £50,000 was the first in my time.
The difference being that with this lot selling players is the end, not the means. Fans understand sales are necessary, but they don't view them as the point of the club.
And ultimately this is his only strategy after his network experiment failed to bring football success. All he can do now is paper over the cracks and hope we churn out enough youngsters to minimise his losses. This will be the cycle until he leaves, and when he leaves, he will try and make as much money back as possible through leasing the valley etc
We have our last pre-season game in two days. We have one senior keeper. Even if we do sign a new keeper before the season starts, they will not have played with the team and developed any sort of understanding.
We are still some way off being a squad capable of promotion and the season is upon us. They say the transfer window doesn't close until the end of August, but there are 12 points to play for in August (that was the difference between 6th and 12th last season). We should be prepared.
They talked of getting business done early but we are still not ready and we are still talking of reducing the quality of an already thin squad by getting rid of yet another player with no replacement in sight.
These are not the machinations of a team preparing for a promotion push. This is the approach of a team happy with league one mediocrity and a steady if unsustainable income from a talented youth team. IMHO this is not good enough.
We have our last pre-season game in two days. We have one senior keeper. Even if we do sign a new keeper before the season starts, they will not have played with the team and developed any sort of understanding.
We are still some way off being a squad capable of promotion and the season is upon us. They say the transfer window doesn't close until the end of August, but there are 12 points to play for in August (that was the difference between 6th and 12th last season). We should be prepared.
They talked of getting business done early but we are still not ready and we are still talking of reducing the quality of an already thin squad by getting rid of yet another player with no replacement in sight.
These are not the machinations of a team preparing for a promotion push. This is the approach of a team happy with league one mediocrity and a steady if unsustainable income from a talented youth team. IMHO this is not good enough.
Hamer didn't play any pre season friendlys and wasn't signed until august 1st, that didn't end up to bad did it, we're a couple players short and I'd say only the keeper is necessary before the season starts, As we have cover every where else.
We have our last pre-season game in two days. We have one senior keeper. Even if we do sign a new keeper before the season starts, they will not have played with the team and developed any sort of understanding.
We are still some way off being a squad capable of promotion and the season is upon us. They say the transfer window doesn't close until the end of August, but there are 12 points to play for in August (that was the difference between 6th and 12th last season). We should be prepared.
They talked of getting business done early but we are still not ready and we are still talking of reducing the quality of an already thin squad by getting rid of yet another player with no replacement in sight.
These are not the machinations of a team preparing for a promotion push. This is the approach of a team happy with league one mediocrity and a steady if unsustainable income from a talented youth team. IMHO this is not good enough.
For me the most astounding fact is that so many supporters this pre-season thought it was going to be anything different. I was told back at the end of April that Konsa moving on was already agreed between club and agent and the only surprise is that it has taken this long.
We have our last pre-season game in two days. We have one senior keeper. Even if we do sign a new keeper before the season starts, they will not have played with the team and developed any sort of understanding.
We are still some way off being a squad capable of promotion and the season is upon us. They say the transfer window doesn't close until the end of August, but there are 12 points to play for in August (that was the difference between 6th and 12th last season). We should be prepared.
They talked of getting business done early but we are still not ready and we are still talking of reducing the quality of an already thin squad by getting rid of yet another player with no replacement in sight.
These are not the machinations of a team preparing for a promotion push. This is the approach of a team happy with league one mediocrity and a steady if unsustainable income from a talented youth team. IMHO this is not good enough.
Hamer didn't play any pre season friendlys and wasn't signed until august 1st, that didn't end up to bad did it, we're a couple players short and I'd say only the keeper is necessary before the season starts, As we have cover every where else.
Yes and Powelly did the sensible thing and started the season with the keeper who knew the defence - Elliot. He allowed Gamer to get up to speed before throwing him in.
Can't see Karl doing the same. Whoever comes in will go straight into the side whether or not he's even met our centre backs before.
We have our last pre-season game in two days. We have one senior keeper. Even if we do sign a new keeper before the season starts, they will not have played with the team and developed any sort of understanding.
We are still some way off being a squad capable of promotion and the season is upon us. They say the transfer window doesn't close until the end of August, but there are 12 points to play for in August (that was the difference between 6th and 12th last season). We should be prepared.
They talked of getting business done early but we are still not ready and we are still talking of reducing the quality of an already thin squad by getting rid of yet another player with no replacement in sight.
These are not the machinations of a team preparing for a promotion push. This is the approach of a team happy with league one mediocrity and a steady if unsustainable income from a talented youth team. IMHO this is not good enough.
For me the most astounding fact is that so many supporters this pre-season thought it was going to be anything different. I was told back at the end of April that Konsa moving on was already agreed between club and agent and the only surprise is that it has taken this long.
If some people want to give this shower of shit the benefit of doubt, then that's up to them. At a risk of being labelled un-Charlton and less of a supporter, get used to it peeps. They are not for changing this lot, it is not in their DNA and is beyond their natural ability to do better.
Any sale of Konsa for £3.5 million to a premiership club needs to have a very substantial sell on clause and so forth. I think it is too cheap for the money in the Prem even if it is a lot of money for Roland.
But what does it matter, any money received will be in his back pocket........... or at least it won't be invested in players
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3.5 or 35 million it is almost irrelevant to the playing side of the club.
Where does the money go? Spread around his clubs, reducing our losses, or as Mr Otto said, Duchatelet's ever expanding bank balance.
This lot could not get a non-league team successful.
As for Josh Wright, id like to see him here as direct replacement for Crofts and use Crofts here and there for his experience at times. Haven't seen him play but judging by what I have read on here, you cant have a CM who cant run...or pass.
What they are doing is helping pay for the losses the club has made since he took over, much of which has been caused by some terrible transfer decisions in previous years, some from the reduced attendances and the rest probably inevitable in the current football climate.
Of course, I am not defending them. The issue is what gets reinvested, which is usually very little.
But we all know that it doesn't work like that under this lot.
We have a couple of decent prospects, but I saw Konsa as the last multi-million pound player. I do hope his sale means RD is willing to lower his price for the club and get lost.
Of course if its us the club that are messing around with signing him then fair enough but seeing that Reeves has had offers from MK Dons | Charlton | Sheffield United | Abroad it seems as though he's messing around himself now!!
The issue with selling someone like Konsa at this point in his development is that it does not cure the fact we are loss making it just plugs the gap for a few months whilst weakening our first team and the squad.
What is RD's game plan here? We can't and won't break even (only a deluded and hopeless optimist would think this is a viable long term plan) and by selling our best players every year we won't go up and at some point we will go down again. Further relegation means even less value in the club, less revenue, wider losses and fewer young players wanting to join our supposed player farm.
(Before someone jumps in saying selling Konsa won't lead to relegation, I know that but selling our best players constantly and replacing with less adequate ones does and has and to me, nothing has changed on this front the whole time this mob have been in charge, including the last few months).
The whole concept is so badly flawed that really I can't believe that a billionnaire and an educated lady would give it any credence. I just simply don't get it.
Despite that, I agree with his gameplan. All those loans just put the price of the club up to the point that he can't sell.
At some point, he will have to lower his price and accept repayments over a longer period of time or even just forget them altogether.
A further chunk is unpaid interest on debt, now accruing at £1.8m a year. Net cash in to the business under RD at 2016 was therefore closer to £30m. We can read the accounts too, Roly.
We are still some way off being a squad capable of promotion and the season is upon us. They say the transfer window doesn't close until the end of August, but there are 12 points to play for in August (that was the difference between 6th and 12th last season). We should be prepared.
They talked of getting business done early but we are still not ready and we are still talking of reducing the quality of an already thin squad by getting rid of yet another player with no replacement in sight.
These are not the machinations of a team preparing for a promotion push. This is the approach of a team happy with league one mediocrity and a steady if unsustainable income from a talented youth team. IMHO this is not good enough.
I was told back at the end of April that Konsa moving on was already agreed between club and agent and the only surprise is that it has taken this long.
Can't see Karl doing the same. Whoever comes in will go straight into the side whether or not he's even met our centre backs before.