The 2017 Summer Transfer Rumours Thread (Deadline Day from page 264)
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Mainly because the only midfield creativity we had was Holmes.matt88 said:
Not sure I share these levels of optimism... the majority of the current squad came close to giving us our lowest league finish in 90 years last season.SDAddick said:
This. It may be after a few months on loan in league One he's ready for a step up. The bits I saw of him he looked very talented. Adding him and Reeves would mean nothing short of top 2 should be expected. At that point we'd have a very, very good squad fo this level.killerandflash said:
It's possible that he or Arsenal would want to consider their options again in January anywayForeverAddickted said:Six months surprises me for Mavididi... Why such a short loan for the young man who isnt exactly going to head back to Arsenal and score the goals needed for Europa League glory!!
We now have Holmes, Fosu, Clarke, Marshall (when fit) and hopefully Reeves and maybe Mavididi or someone as good.
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I'm sure he has the potential to go on a be a star, but comparing him to Henry is ludicrous, Henry was playing for France & Monaco when he was Mavididi age not a mid table 3rd division sideSwisdom said:Mavididi is going to be mustard. A lot of clubs want him, Wenger knows he's got a vast amount of potential and anyone who has seen him play would say the same. Given a run in the team I think you might be pleasantly surprised. I really hope we can get him and I really hope he comes good. He is like Thierry Henry was at the start...young and raw. He turned out half decent. He also mixed it up between being a winger and a striker
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That's just a cheap shotThe Red Robin said:
Can't wait to have Ronaldo and Henry upfront this season.Swisdom said:Mavididi is going to be mustard. A lot of clubs want him, Wenger knows he's got a vast amount of potential and anyone who has seen him play would say the same. Given a run in the team I think you might be pleasantly surprised. I really hope we can get him and I really hope he comes good. He is like Thierry Henry was at the start...young and raw. He turned out half decent. He also mixed it up between being a winger and a striker
That said Billy Clarke bears more than a passing resemblance to Leo Messi...
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Amos not here last season, DaSilva only played the last month when results improved considerably, Pearce injured for a good chunk last season and we were better when he was in the side, Kashi didn't kick a ball, JFC only half a season and one of our better players towards the end, Fosu and Clarke not here. So of the current first choice XI only Solly, Konsa, Holmes, and Big Mag played a major role throughout the majority of the season (even Mag was injured for a while) and most would agree they were our 4 best players last season.matt88 said:
Not sure I share these levels of optimism... the majority of the current squad came close to giving us our lowest league finish in 90 years last season.SDAddick said:
This. It may be after a few months on loan in league One he's ready for a step up. The bits I saw of him he looked very talented. Adding him and Reeves would mean nothing short of top 2 should be expected. At that point we'd have a very, very good squad fo this level.killerandflash said:
It's possible that he or Arsenal would want to consider their options again in January anywayForeverAddickted said:Six months surprises me for Mavididi... Why such a short loan for the young man who isnt exactly going to head back to Arsenal and score the goals needed for Europa League glory!!
Time will tell if the new signings are up to scratch, but the team that should start vs Bristol will be a lot different to the one which started last season.8 -
See what I mean - which one is which?Dazzler21 said:Swisdom said:
That's just a cheap shotThe Red Robin said:
Can't wait to have Ronaldo and Henry upfront this season.Swisdom said:Mavididi is going to be mustard. A lot of clubs want him, Wenger knows he's got a vast amount of potential and anyone who has seen him play would say the same. Given a run in the team I think you might be pleasantly surprised. I really hope we can get him and I really hope he comes good. He is like Thierry Henry was at the start...young and raw. He turned out half decent. He also mixed it up between being a winger and a striker
That said Billy Clarke bears more than a passing resemblance to Leo Messi...7 -
Easy: the happy one doesn't play for CharltonSwisdom said:
See what I mean - which one is which?Dazzler21 said:Swisdom said:
That's just a cheap shotThe Red Robin said:
Can't wait to have Ronaldo and Henry upfront this season.Swisdom said:Mavididi is going to be mustard. A lot of clubs want him, Wenger knows he's got a vast amount of potential and anyone who has seen him play would say the same. Given a run in the team I think you might be pleasantly surprised. I really hope we can get him and I really hope he comes good. He is like Thierry Henry was at the start...young and raw. He turned out half decent. He also mixed it up between being a winger and a striker
That said Billy Clarke bears more than a passing resemblance to Leo Messi...14 -
Wenger bought potential in Henry. He bought a 22 year old striker with a very average goalscoring record and played him out wide - the rest is history. I'm not saying he's the next Henry but he has been spoken in the same sentences as TH for a while at Arsenal and we've only seen glimpses. Mavididi at 19 needs regular football and I genuinely hope it's for us. We should only judge him after a prolonged period of regular first team football - just look at Jay DaSilva's development with us last season.Pelling1993 said:
I'm sure he has the potential to go on a be a star, but comparing him to Henry is ludicrous, Henry was playing for France & Monaco when he was Mavididi age not a mid table 3rd division sideSwisdom said:Mavididi is going to be mustard. A lot of clubs want him, Wenger knows he's got a vast amount of potential and anyone who has seen him play would say the same. Given a run in the team I think you might be pleasantly surprised. I really hope we can get him and I really hope he comes good. He is like Thierry Henry was at the start...young and raw. He turned out half decent. He also mixed it up between being a winger and a striker
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Henry had been one of the stars in the French 1998 World Cup success as a wide striker though. He was widely known but other than showing promise at Monaco he had yet to hit the heights.Swisdom said:
Wenger bought potential in Henry. He bought a 22 year old striker with a very average goalscoring record and played him out wide - the rest is history. I'm not saying he's the next Henry but he has been spoken in the same sentences as TH for a while at Arsenal and we've only seen glimpses. Mavididi at 19 needs regular football and I genuinely hope it's for us. We should only judge him after a prolonged period of regular first team football - just look at Jay DaSilva's development with us last season.Pelling1993 said:
I'm sure he has the potential to go on a be a star, but comparing him to Henry is ludicrous, Henry was playing for France & Monaco when he was Mavididi age not a mid table 3rd division sideSwisdom said:Mavididi is going to be mustard. A lot of clubs want him, Wenger knows he's got a vast amount of potential and anyone who has seen him play would say the same. Given a run in the team I think you might be pleasantly surprised. I really hope we can get him and I really hope he comes good. He is like Thierry Henry was at the start...young and raw. He turned out half decent. He also mixed it up between being a winger and a striker
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I think the point was more that Huddersfield are proof that loans if done sensibly can help rather than hinder your team. You made the same point in your post so I'm struggling to see where the disagreement is here.cafcfan said:
Yeah but what does that prove? 12.5% of the teams in that league got promoted. I haven't looked but I bet the 87.5% who didn't get promoted had close to the same number of loan players as Huddersfield. As ever, it's quality and effort that is needed. If you get a Francis Coquelin, then great. If you get a Frank Nouble or a Eggert Jónsson, then not so great.cafc_harry said:
Huddersfield got promoted to the prem on loans. It'll do me.Pelling1993 said:Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well
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Who said anything about basing the team around him?Pelling1993 said:Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well
Should we send Dasilva back and play Jacko at left back?
Whilst the loan market has its short term benefits for many clubs, I'm still undecided to why clubs should simply let Chelsea as one example farm all these players out when there is zero desire by them to play them in their first team. They continue to earn their millions, and Dasilva will no doubt move on to somewhere else next season or before. As said above it never ends well for the club taking the loan if you are relying on this alone to get you promoted.sam3110 said:
Who said anything about basing the team around him?Pelling1993 said:Really really don't want Mavididi, not a bad player by any means but basing your team around a loan player never ends well
Should we send Dasilva back and play Jacko at left back?0 - Sponsored links:
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Ben Reeves is shit on Fifa if that's anything to go by.
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To be fair wasn't Henry more of a wide player at Juve, then moved inside later? It's what everyone thought would happen to Theo Walcott except for the fact that Theo Walcott doesn't have the technical ability or tactical sense to play centrally.Swisdom said:
Wenger bought potential in Henry. He bought a 22 year old striker with a very average goalscoring record and played him out wide - the rest is history. I'm not saying he's the next Henry but he has been spoken in the same sentences as TH for a while at Arsenal and we've only seen glimpses. Mavididi at 19 needs regular football and I genuinely hope it's for us. We should only judge him after a prolonged period of regular first team football - just look at Jay DaSilva's development with us last season.Pelling1993 said:
I'm sure he has the potential to go on a be a star, but comparing him to Henry is ludicrous, Henry was playing for France & Monaco when he was Mavididi age not a mid table 3rd division sideSwisdom said:Mavididi is going to be mustard. A lot of clubs want him, Wenger knows he's got a vast amount of potential and anyone who has seen him play would say the same. Given a run in the team I think you might be pleasantly surprised. I really hope we can get him and I really hope he comes good. He is like Thierry Henry was at the start...young and raw. He turned out half decent. He also mixed it up between being a winger and a striker
As an aside (and I know I'm way off topic here but this has been bothering me for days so please indulge me) Taylor Twellman, former US international turned commentator said during the Man City game the other night that he felt Sterling was similar to Theo Walcott. Now he meant that in terms of "not sure if he can put all his potential together." But like, Sterling is 22 ffs. And for whatever you think of him, Sterling is a million times more technically gifted than Walcott, which you could see from a young age.
Walcott has always been rapid, and had to learn the game and grow his technical ability, amongst loads of injuries. Sterling is technically gifted and quick as an aside, and he needs to improve his decision making in the final third. I know he was officially the national scapegoat because he had the audacity to buy his mother a nice house, but whenever I saw Sterling last year he looked very dangerous. Didn't always make the right decision, sometimes drifted in and out of the game (hes a winger to be fair), but he is technically very good, quick, much stronger than he looks, and he presses well for City.1 -
Greenie Junior said:
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Is it me or does Vic look like he's using Jedi mind power to draw Ben towards the Valley.Chrissy\\\'s Army!! said:
Or is he using it to tell Greenie Jr
"I am not the Midfield genius you are looking for"3 -
Reeves obviously has a very high opinion of himself.
The trouble is that at best he is a lower table Championship / League 1 player and clubs are not exactly falling over themselves to pay the money that he believes that he is worth.
The season starts in 4 days and even if someone signs him I doubt that he is anywhere near match fit. He has missed a complete pre season training and will be playing catch up until the middle of September.
I hope that Charlton tell him that they are not interested.3 -
I think that Karl Robinson is getting impatient as well and that<s why he said that he is looking at other players as well as Reeves.
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I don't know what's happened with him. The season ended April 30th (I think) and it was clear before then that he was going to let his contract run down. It seems pretty clear that he has, or has had, suitors. But it's been three months. I get he's 25 and this should be his big payday but...three months?!?!Billericay Dickie said:Reeves obviously has a very high opinion of himself.
The trouble is that at best he is a lower table Championship / League 1 player and clubs are not exactly falling over themselves to pay the money that he believes that he is worth.
The season starts in 4 days and even if someone signs him I doubt that he is anywhere near match fit. He has missed a complete pre season training and will be playing catch up until the middle of September.
I hope that Charlton tell him that they are not interested.
For me, if it were Reeves or Stewart, another goalkeeper, and Madvididi for the year I'd take the latter. I don't know what he's asking in wages but it must be a fair amount and given his injury record I think the club should look to put him on a contract with high incentive/performance bonuses as opposed to a high base.
I think we've largely done some very good business this summer, but this whole Reeves saga, to me, illustrates how silly is was to let Ceballos go when we did. If we can't get Reeves, I struggle to see us attracting a significantly better player than Ceballos. And any such player would almost certainly require a transfer fee and at least decent wages so I suspect the financial footprint would be similar. No, it's not guaranteed that CC would do well at League One level, but he has the technical ability to be a Championship player.
Time will tell. Obviously ideally you'd like all your business done well in advance, but at our level there are all kinds of extraneous factors outside of our control that can have knock-on effects to the deals we want to do. The window is open for another month. Right now we have a strong first XI, and any signings made should either be to provide quality in depth (Madvididi) or, ideally, to push for a starting birth (Reeves). We're now past the point of signing experienced lower league players just for the sake of it.2 - Sponsored links:
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How do you know he has a high opinion of himself?Billericay Dickie said:Reeves obviously has a very high opinion of himself.
The trouble is that at best he is a lower table Championship / League 1 player and clubs are not exactly falling over themselves to pay the money that he believes that he is worth.
The season starts in 4 days and even if someone signs him I doubt that he is anywhere near match fit. He has missed a complete pre season training and will be playing catch up until the middle of September.
I hope that Charlton tell him that they are not interested.
All I can see is a man that has the attention of clubs biding his time to sort himself what he feels is the best deal for him personally.
I get as football fans we want everyone to jump at the chance to play for us but realistically a lot pieces have to fall into place on both parts to make it happen.
I think he will sign for us I just feel there's a game of cat and mouse being played out here a bit maybe even by KR by getting BR there Saturday5 -
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Robbo and others seemed to suggest that he was after Alex Bruce on 5live tonight. Unless it was all a massive joke that I didn't get..0
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I would say that's exactly what it wascantersaddick said:Robbo and others seemed to suggest that he was after Alex Bruce on 5live tonight. Unless it was all a massive joke that I didn't get..
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It went over my head.roseandcrown said:
I would say that's exactly what it wascantersaddick said:Robbo and others seemed to suggest that he was after Alex Bruce on 5live tonight. Unless it was all a massive joke that I didn't get..
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Sorry properly not clear in my message I meant I agree he is trying to sign him rather a joke you did not getcantersaddick said:
It went over my head.roseandcrown said:
I would say that's exactly what it wascantersaddick said:Robbo and others seemed to suggest that he was after Alex Bruce on 5live tonight. Unless it was all a massive joke that I didn't get..
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If Alex Bruce is on the wish list does that mean konza is off?0
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Might mean Sarr and Lennon areroseandcrown said:If Alex Bruce is on the wish list does that mean Konsa is off?
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Ahh right. I wasn't sure whether to believe it as I don't see a 32 yr old centre back as what we need... Can he play left back or right back?roseandcrown said:
Sorry properly not clear in my message I meant I agree he is trying to sign him rather a joke you did not getcantersaddick said:
It went over my head.roseandcrown said:
I would say that's exactly what it wascantersaddick said:Robbo and others seemed to suggest that he was after Alex Bruce on 5live tonight. Unless it was all a massive joke that I didn't get..
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