Holiday Drama/opinions please?
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this.Carter said:The bloke who pulled out has no right to moan
The bloke who is taking his place, now this is if it was me, should offer some dough as a goodwill gesture but he isn't obligated to. Are these 2 in question close mates? Because it's really for them to sort out and not for anyone else to throw their 2 cents in
If the first guy wanted some compensation if you filled his place he should have said so up front.
As it it the first guy has let you down twice, once for pulling out and then again by being a dick over the money.6 -
where is the holiday ?
when you going ?
presume the amendment fee is just for the name on the airline ticket ?
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Kavos, dirty one. My 30th the 2nd day there! looking forward to it, much needed been a shit year lolMrOneLung said:where is the holiday ?
when you going ?
presume the amendment fee is just for the name on the airline ticket ?
Week Sunday i go, yes the amendment charge was to change flight details and person on the holiday0 -
Just get new guy to book his own flight, will be cheaper that a name change and contribution
If the original guy still kicks off tell everyone that reason he couldn't go is because the has court after getting caught sucking off a horse8 -
This might help or confuse Mate 1 and Mate 2
Three friends have a nice meal together, and the bill is £25
The three friends pay £10 each, which the waiter gives to the Cashier
The Cashier hands back £5 to the Waiter
But the Waiter can't split £5 three ways, so he gives the friends £1 each and keeps £2 as a tip.
They all paid £10 and got £1 back. £10-£1 = £9
There were three of them 3 X £9 = £27
If they paid £27 and the waiter kept £2: £27+£2=£29
Where did the other pound go? £30 - £1 = £295 -
cafcdave123 said:
Just get new guy to book his own flight, will be cheaper that a name change and contribution
If the original guy still kicks off tell everyone that reason he couldn't go is because the has court after getting caught sucking off a horse
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Hmm, sorry I think I disagree with most on here.
If mate 1 has paid and then decided he isn't going, its not up to anyone but him what happens to that place. Mate 2 is taking the p*ss if he thinks he can take his place on the cheap.
If I was mate 2, I would be offering the cost of the place less the cancellation/change name fee.
@AFKABartram - mate 2 sounds like he's in a similar situation to one of our old friends, who would do any dare for a few drinks in Gran Canaria!
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I can now see why your a Spud.........totally upside down logic. Mate1 booked a holiday & now doesn't want to go. Its too late to get a refund so he's lost his money - pure & simple. Mate 2 isn't taking money off anyone. In fact, he's helping out the other mates who are already going & had faced being a man down on the holiday. All mate 2 has to do is pay for the admin fee to change the ticket. If mate 1 has a problem with it then he can still go - but he doesn't - so he has no leg to stand on (ala Dudley Moore)JohnBoyUK said:Hmm, sorry I think I disagree with most on here.
If mate 1 has paid and then decided he isn't going, its not up to anyone but him what happens to that place. Mate 2 is taking the p*ss if he thinks he can take his place on the cheap.
If I was mate 2, I would be offering the cost of the place less the cancellation/change name fee.
@AFKABartram - mate 2 sounds like he's in a similar situation to one of our old friends, who would do any dare for a few drinks in Gran Canaria!6 -
Had exactly the same situation about 2 years ago. So I sent a passive aggressive email to everyone that was going, the guy who dropped out and all the Gary get involves that decided to have an opinion.
I've copied and pasted it:
'Right - There's been lots of messages flying back and forth about the rights and wrongs of xxxxx coming to Barcelona in place of xxxxx. Rather than all the texts back and forth and different conversations, lets sort it out here. A £350 week in the sun isn't something I want to fall out with anyone over.
xxxx, I'm not going to pretend to understand how bad your anxiety must be to stop you from doing something that I know you're desperate to do. If there's anything I can do to help you in anyway you know you can always give me a shout and I'll be there. I'm sure that goes for everyone.
To be clear to everyone, the only reason xxxx can come in your place is because he doesn't have to pay for the holiday and only has to cover admin charges on the flight and hotel. We've tried to find other people to take your place and get you your money back but that hasn't worked. As you said when we spoke you decided to cancel last minute and realised that you would be left out of pocket. I respect your right to change your mind, so we're left with 4 options:
1. You come with us. I speak for all of us when I say we'd prefer that.
2. You insist on being bought out of the holiday and xxxxx isn't able to come so the seat goes empty.
3. Someone in this message comes instead of xxxx and gives you the money you've lost.
4. xxxx comes and pays the admin fee and owes you several drinks when we get back.
xxxx (person who pulled out), it's entirely your choice and I respect which ever option you choose. No-one is trying to take the piss out of you but in trying to find a good alternative I've found only options 2 and 4 will work. I value our friendship more than a few quid so whatever you choose I'm fine with.
If you're not comfortable choosing everyone who is in this mail and decided to have an opinion can vote for option 2 or 4.
If anyone has any issues or has a better idea give me a shout.'12 -
Just tell them that you couldn't give 2 fucks as it's got nothing to do with you and that they should just sort it out.2
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@SurvivaloftheFittest And what happened?0
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I don't care.5
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I wish there was a more interesting end to it but it's as simple as the guy didn't choose and everyone bar one person voted for option 4. It was a bit awkward the next time we met up but after that it was fine.Curb_It said:@SurvivaloftheFittest And what happened?
Incidentally the guy that dropped out met a girl on line in Norfolk and 2 month later moved in with her and despite best efforts, we're lucky if we hear from him twice a year.3 -
Hmmmm, still not convinced but yes, my logic is usually upside downgolfaddick said:
I can now see why your a Spud.........totally upside down logic. Mate1 booked a holiday & now doesn't want to go. Its too late to get a refund so he's lost his money - pure & simple. Mate 2 isn't taking money off anyone. In fact, he's helping out the other mates who are already going & had faced being a man down on the holiday. All mate 2 has to do is pay for the admin fee to change the ticket. If mate 1 has a problem with it then he can still go - but he doesn't - so he has no leg to stand on (ala Dudley Moore)JohnBoyUK said:Hmm, sorry I think I disagree with most on here.
If mate 1 has paid and then decided he isn't going, its not up to anyone but him what happens to that place. Mate 2 is taking the p*ss if he thinks he can take his place on the cheap.
If I was mate 2, I would be offering the cost of the place less the cancellation/change name fee.
@AFKABartram - mate 2 sounds like he's in a similar situation to one of our old friends, who would do any dare for a few drinks in Gran Canaria!
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I'm in the "split the difference" camp. Work out the cost of the holiday plus the admin fee to change the name on the booking, and they each pay half of that. So Mr Replacement pays the admin fee to the holiday company and pays Mr Flaky half of (the booking cost minus the admin fee). So Mr Replacement still gets a cheap holiday, and Mr Flaky gets some money back and doesn't feel like he's paying for Mr Replacement to have fun with his mates.1
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@SurvivaloftheFittest
Sounds like exact same to me, we did set up group message to sort this out but not as well as the email you have put.
At present noone has actually said much today on it, we have a seperate group us 4 now going. We just left it one of the mutual friends who wasn't going said his thoughts and i responded .
If mate 2's passport comes in time which its expected too, we are just going to go and any follow up is what it is. I will half mention to mate 2 that it might be worth giving him something just out of courtesy really when he can, but it is silly to fall out over one holiday/ £365.
Mate 1, the way he reacted has made us all question our friendship generally. But will give the benefit of the doubt he isn't in a good place at present and we are all very supportive and try to help in whichever way we can. Still what we feel is right is not what he does, not much we can do really.
Silly drama when all i want to be doing is counting down my holiday and planning what a mess i am going to be
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Sound logic really, cant argue with that or anything towards the holiday. Just not my place its the other mate really who could do the 'right thing' loosely as i feel he shouldn't need to but as a mate would be a good gesture and a better way.aliwibble said:I'm in the "split the difference" camp. Work out the cost of the holiday plus the admin fee to change the name on the booking, and they each pay half of that. So Mr Replacement pays the admin fee to the holiday company and pays Mr Flaky half of (the booking cost minus the admin fee). So Mr Replacement still gets a cheap holiday, and Mr Flaky gets some money back and doesn't feel like he's paying for Mr Replacement to have fun with his mates.
@JohnBoyUK again valid option still, the biggest problem is neither party agrees and i dont feel a compromise is going to happen. Even if it did and Mate 2 paid some 'compensation' as goodwill it would still all leave a sour taste.
Technically i dont need to be involved really but i am always very upfront so hence why i am trying to help and not sugar coat anything.0 -
any transfer rumours ??? 1
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haha joker, i actually stopped opening that thread. only from around 2 weeks ago still 900 + unread :Ogolfaddick said:any transfer rumours ???
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I'm sure Kin Jung Un and Donald Trump could sort this one out.3
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The meal was £25thai malaysia addick said:This might help or confuse Mate 1 and Mate 2
Three friends have a nice meal together, and the bill is £25
The three friends pay £10 each, which the waiter gives to the Cashier
The Cashier hands back £5 to the Waiter
But the Waiter can't split £5 three ways, so he gives the friends £1 each and keeps £2 as a tip.
They all paid £10 and got £1 back. £10-£1 = £9
There were three of them 3 X £9 = £27
If they paid £27 and the waiter kept £2: £27+£2=£29
Where did the other pound go? £30 - £1 = £29
The waiter gets £2
Thats £27
3x9 is 27.3 -
Probably true now - If mate 2 had paid a token amount - even £60-£80 quid up front, given he didn't book holiday and has costs - probably woudl have sorted it. Legally, clearly there is no obligation, but you would expect the mate who is gaining advantage of a cheap holiday to make some sort of gesture. Otherwise it looks like he is simply taking advantage of mate 1s misfortune which isn't something mates do.johnnybev1987 said:
Sound logic really, cant argue with that or anything towards the holiday. Just not my place its the other mate really who could do the 'right thing' loosely as i feel he shouldn't need to but as a mate would be a good gesture and a better way.aliwibble said:I'm in the "split the difference" camp. Work out the cost of the holiday plus the admin fee to change the name on the booking, and they each pay half of that. So Mr Replacement pays the admin fee to the holiday company and pays Mr Flaky half of (the booking cost minus the admin fee). So Mr Replacement still gets a cheap holiday, and Mr Flaky gets some money back and doesn't feel like he's paying for Mr Replacement to have fun with his mates.
@JohnBoyUK again valid option still, the biggest problem is neither party agrees and i dont feel a compromise is going to happen. Even if it did and Mate 2 paid some 'compensation' as goodwill it would still all leave a sour taste.
Technically i dont need to be involved really but i am always very upfront so hence why i am trying to help and not sugar coat anything.6 -
Just add a load of people off Facebook with the same name of the original bookie and see if they fancy it. You never know , you might meet a decent bloke instead of 2 big girls blouse6
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I hope this holiday has been booked around the fixtures?
If you have a season ticket, make your mate who is being a dick go to the games as punishment!1 -
Surely if they're both called xxxx, they shouldn't have to pay an admin fee as you won't need to change names?SurvivaloftheFittest said:Had exactly the same situation about 2 years ago. So I sent a passive aggressive email to everyone that was going, the guy who dropped out and all the Gary get involves that decided to have an opinion.
I've copied and pasted it:
'Right - There's been lots of messages flying back and forth about the rights and wrongs of xxxxx coming to Barcelona in place of xxxxx. Rather than all the texts back and forth and different conversations, lets sort it out here. A £350 week in the sun isn't something I want to fall out with anyone over.
xxxx, I'm not going to pretend to understand how bad your anxiety must be to stop you from doing something that I know you're desperate to do. If there's anything I can do to help you in anyway you know you can always give me a shout and I'll be there. I'm sure that goes for everyone.
To be clear to everyone, the only reason xxxx can come in your place is because he doesn't have to pay for the holiday and only has to cover admin charges on the flight and hotel. We've tried to find other people to take your place and get you your money back but that hasn't worked. As you said when we spoke you decided to cancel last minute and realised that you would be left out of pocket. I respect your right to change your mind, so we're left with 4 options:
1. You come with us. I speak for all of us when I say we'd prefer that.
2. You insist on being bought out of the holiday and xxxxx isn't able to come so the seat goes empty.
3. Someone in this message comes instead of xxxx and gives you the money you've lost.
4. xxxx comes and pays the admin fee and owes you several drinks when we get back.
xxxx (person who pulled out), it's entirely your choice and I respect which ever option you choose. No-one is trying to take the piss out of you but in trying to find a good alternative I've found only options 2 and 4 will work. I value our friendship more than a few quid so whatever you choose I'm fine with.
If you're not comfortable choosing everyone who is in this mail and decided to have an opinion can vote for option 2 or 4.
If anyone has any issues or has a better idea give me a shout.'17 -
If only, not a season ticket holder and havent been for over 2 years.... Also person who dropped out is not a football fan so wouldn't ever get him to go :Probroy said:I hope this holiday has been booked around the fixtures?
If you have a season ticket, make your mate who is being a dick go to the games as punishment!0 -
but the only reason new guy can go is because all he can afford is this amendment fee. He couldn't afford the whole holidayMuttleyCAFC said:
Probably true now - If mate 2 had paid a token amount - even £60-£80 quid up front, given he didn't book holiday and has costs - probably woudl have sorted it. Legally, clearly there is no obligation, but you would expect the mate who is gaining advantage of a cheap holiday to make some sort of gesture. Otherwise it looks like he is simply taking advantage of mate 1s misfortune which isn't something mates do.johnnybev1987 said:
Sound logic really, cant argue with that or anything towards the holiday. Just not my place its the other mate really who could do the 'right thing' loosely as i feel he shouldn't need to but as a mate would be a good gesture and a better way.aliwibble said:I'm in the "split the difference" camp. Work out the cost of the holiday plus the admin fee to change the name on the booking, and they each pay half of that. So Mr Replacement pays the admin fee to the holiday company and pays Mr Flaky half of (the booking cost minus the admin fee). So Mr Replacement still gets a cheap holiday, and Mr Flaky gets some money back and doesn't feel like he's paying for Mr Replacement to have fun with his mates.
@JohnBoyUK again valid option still, the biggest problem is neither party agrees and i dont feel a compromise is going to happen. Even if it did and Mate 2 paid some 'compensation' as goodwill it would still all leave a sour taste.
Technically i dont need to be involved really but i am always very upfront so hence why i am trying to help and not sugar coat anything.1 -
I heard that a certain someone has rejected the chance to move to Greece which was only supposed to be a temporary move, in favour of a move elsewhere. Another person is on the move as a replacement at a cheaper price & more lad points.golfaddick said:any transfer rumours ???
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Have an arm wrestle. Whoever wins gets their way. No arguments.1
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I believe that's how things are done in most governments now days.cantersaddick said:Have an arm wrestle. Whoever wins gets their way. No arguments.
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