The 2017 Summer Transfer Rumours Thread (Deadline Day from page 264)
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Only if he has a blood test.ElfsborgAddick said:
The medical could jeopardise the move.......Henry Irving said:We all know it should be WIOTOS but Watt's move doesn't seem to have been announced by either club officially.
KR says he's gone but where? Has the deal been signed off, medical done etc?
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Leave off mate, one clearly doesn't want to play in England the other is shite living off of one good season at Swindon, he was crap before that and crap since! Was on the bench for Bury today wasn't he?golfaddick said:All seems a bit daft to buy, beg or borrow a striker when we already have TWO of our own that could do a decent job......Igor & Ajose. Now, what numpty would loan them out when we only have 2 experienced strikers in Mag & Novak.
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They do not test their mental ability only body fitnessElfsborgAddick said:
The medical could jeopardise the move.......Henry Irving said:We all know it should be WIOTOS but Watt's move doesn't seem to have been announced by either club officially.
KR says he's gone but where? Has the deal been signed off, medical done etc?
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Could see a club like Southampton being interested.RedChaser said:I have heard from a very good source at Everton that Lookman has not settled and is very homesick. It would be great if we could get him back on loan but more likely perhaps a London Prem club like Spurs might come in for him.
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Selling Konsa could be a key in so far as it might provide the opportunity to negotiate a loan for a decent player for a year as part of the deal. For some reason, the buying club dictates to us evry time. If we have a player they want, we ought to have some bargening power as long as we don't look too desperate.1
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But we are desperate, very desperate. It's plain for all to see!MuttleyCAFC said:Selling Konsa could be a key in so far as it might provide the opportunity to negotiate a loan for a decent player for a year as part of the deal. For some reason, the buying club dictates to us evry time. If we have a player they want, we ought to have some bargening power as long as we don't look too desperate.
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Not a chance he'd come back to league one. Wasn't he linked with a loan to Derby a week or so ago, that'd be much more likelyRedChaser said:I have heard from a very good source at Everton that Lookman has not settled and is very homesick. It would be great if we could get him back on loan but more likely perhaps a London Prem club like Spurs might come in for him.
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Good post.Essex_Al said:
Leave off mate, one clearly doesn't want to play in England the other is shite living off of one good season at Swindon, he was crap before that and crap since! Was on the bench for Bury today wasn't he?golfaddick said:All seems a bit daft to buy, beg or borrow a striker when we already have TWO of our own that could do a decent job......Igor & Ajose. Now, what numpty would loan them out when we only have 2 experienced strikers in Mag & Novak.
Fuck me those ciders I had at lunchtime must have been stronger than I thought..........I am agreeing with Essex_Al now
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Quite the opposite, I was saying, directly, that the operating losses should be reduced not increased.Airman Brown said:
I included it because you infer that the debt doesn't matter, whereas I view it as the only reason Duchatelet still owns the club, that is other potential owners are unwilling to pay him in full for his own hugely expensive mistakes. The fact the club had an operating loss of £13.5m in getting relegated from the Championship is ridiculous and well off the scale of what should have been necessary to retain that status. As he chooses to burn money unnecessarily I am not sure why we should regard the debt as of any meaning whatsoever - except that he wants the money back. It's certainly not generosity - stupidity, more like.kings hill addick said:
I'm sure all that is true, although I don't understand why you chose to tack it on to my post.Airman Brown said:
The loan is inflated by £18.6m, plus interest, which Duchatelet never put into the club. What is the justification for that?kings hill addick said:
Well I suppose that's better than having the loans and interest payments going up every year.Airman Brown said:Konsa's fee will be earmarked to go towards this season's operating loss.
Based on how people on here wet their pants complaining about the loans and the interest I would have thought they would be delighted that they are keeping them down.
I can't see any reasonable basis for the club to be charged interest on what the owner paid to acquire the assets or why the purchase price should be owed by the business to the owner. That value should be in the assets that are held.
But the point is that Robinson won't be getting the fee when Konsa is sold any more than he got the fee for Lookman et al.
Are you saying that you would rather that when Konsa is sold you'd like Robinson to spend all that money and have the debts grow?
I am, of course, working on the assumption that RD is not going to just give the club money - before I get loads of abuse from people that want him to or, you know, give he club away and wipe off the debts.
In terms of Konsa, weakening the squad further at this stage is likely to increase the operating loss and further diminish the value of the club by making it less likely the team is promoted. So selling him to strengthen other areas in order to assist getting promoted might be sensible if the funds were well invested. Selling him now to fund the operating loss may carry a financial penalty of its own.
I have no idea how you concluded that I think that the debts don't matter from me suggesting that if Konsa is sold the money should be used to prevent them getting bigger.
I would prefer not to sell him as he is a good footballer and I believe that his value will rise but if he is sold I would not want Robinson (even if he isn't guided by a Belgian) to be allowed to spunk the money up the wall and having the losses rise, the debts rise and the annual interest payments rise.1 -
Standing (and seating) room only at the Tony Watt Appreciation Society AGMHenry Irving said:11 - Sponsored links:
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If he's homesick why would he go to Derby which is still nearly three hours from London?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Not a chance he'd come back to league one. Wasn't he linked with a loan to Derby a week or so ago, that'd be much more likelyRedChaser said:I have heard from a very good source at Everton that Lookman has not settled and is very homesick. It would be great if we could get him back on loan but more likely perhaps a London Prem club like Spurs might come in for him.
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Probably from the gratuitous language you used to describe people who think the debt is significant.kings hill addick said:
Quite the opposite, I was saying, directly, that the operating losses should be reduced not increased.Airman Brown said:
I included it because you infer that the debt doesn't matter, whereas I view it as the only reason Duchatelet still owns the club, that is other potential owners are unwilling to pay him in full for his own hugely expensive mistakes. The fact the club had an operating loss of £13.5m in getting relegated from the Championship is ridiculous and well off the scale of what should have been necessary to retain that status. As he chooses to burn money unnecessarily I am not sure why we should regard the debt as of any meaning whatsoever - except that he wants the money back. It's certainly not generosity - stupidity, more like.kings hill addick said:
I'm sure all that is true, although I don't understand why you chose to tack it on to my post.Airman Brown said:
The loan is inflated by £18.6m, plus interest, which Duchatelet never put into the club. What is the justification for that?kings hill addick said:
Well I suppose that's better than having the loans and interest payments going up every year.Airman Brown said:Konsa's fee will be earmarked to go towards this season's operating loss.
Based on how people on here wet their pants complaining about the loans and the interest I would have thought they would be delighted that they are keeping them down.
I can't see any reasonable basis for the club to be charged interest on what the owner paid to acquire the assets or why the purchase price should be owed by the business to the owner. That value should be in the assets that are held.
But the point is that Robinson won't be getting the fee when Konsa is sold any more than he got the fee for Lookman et al.
Are you saying that you would rather that when Konsa is sold you'd like Robinson to spend all that money and have the debts grow?
I am, of course, working on the assumption that RD is not going to just give the club money - before I get loads of abuse from people that want him to or, you know, give he club away and wipe off the debts.
In terms of Konsa, weakening the squad further at this stage is likely to increase the operating loss and further diminish the value of the club by making it less likely the team is promoted. So selling him to strengthen other areas in order to assist getting promoted might be sensible if the funds were well invested. Selling him now to fund the operating loss may carry a financial penalty of its own.
I have no idea how you concluded that I think that the debts don't matter from me suggesting that if Konsa is sold the money should be used to prevent them getting bigger.
I would prefer not to sell him as he is a good footballer and I believe that his value will rise but if he is sold I would not want Robinson (even if he isn't guided by a Belgian) to be allowed to spunk the money up the wall and having the losses rise, the debts rise and the annual interest payments rise.
But the context of the discussion was whether money from selling Konsa might be spent to strengthen the squad - nobody would be in favour of it being spent badly, but that's a different issue.
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I was thinking more in terms of a permanent move if a Prem club came in for him as someone else said Derby is still a very long way from home. If not Spurs then West Ham or Palarse god forbid, as Leuth touched upon.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Not a chance he'd come back to league one. Wasn't he linked with a loan to Derby a week or so ago, that'd be much more likelyRedChaser said:I have heard from a very good source at Everton that Lookman has not settled and is very homesick. It would be great if we could get him back on loan but more likely perhaps a London Prem club like Spurs might come in for him.
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Agree about Ajose. He had plenty of opportunities to show what he can do, and did virtually nothing to impress (apart from the rather cooly taken goal v. the Spanners).ShootersHillGuru said:
I think Igor would rather chew Roland's toenails than pull on a Charlton shirt and Ajose just ain't up to it.golfaddick said:All seems a bit daft to buy, beg or borrow a striker when we already have TWO of our own that could do a decent job......Igor & Ajose. Now, what numpty would loan them out when we only have 2 experienced strikers in Mag & Novak.
Igor is another matter, and beyond my ken, as they used to say.
I've always said Mag is only good when 100% fit, and after plenty of match practice, which isn't that useful for a club in our position.
If we only have 300K to spend on a striker, then it's going to take a great feat of scouting to find one who'll join us.
My money's on a loan.0 -
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Fair point. But then why did we sign them in the first place?Essex_Al said:
Leave off mate, one clearly doesn't want to play in England the other is shite living off of one good season at Swindon, he was crap before that and crap since! Was on the bench for Bury today wasn't he?golfaddick said:All seems a bit daft to buy, beg or borrow a striker when we already have TWO of our own that could do a decent job......Igor & Ajose. Now, what numpty would loan them out when we only have 2 experienced strikers in Mag & Novak.
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Shhhh! ;-)RedChaser said:
But we are desperate, very desperate. It's plain for all to see!MuttleyCAFC said:Selling Konsa could be a key in so far as it might provide the opportunity to negotiate a loan for a decent player for a year as part of the deal. For some reason, the buying club dictates to us evry time. If we have a player they want, we ought to have some bargening power as long as we don't look too desperate.
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Let's just hope it's not an end of window 'no one else wants them' loan acquisition....like Amos & Ulvestad. We need players good enough to get us out of this league.JamesSeed said:
Agree about Ajose. He had plenty of opportunities to show what he can do, and did virtually nothing to impress (apart from the rather cooly taken goal v. the Spanners).ShootersHillGuru said:
I think Igor would rather chew Roland's toenails than pull on a Charlton shirt and Ajose just ain't up to it.golfaddick said:All seems a bit daft to buy, beg or borrow a striker when we already have TWO of our own that could do a decent job......Igor & Ajose. Now, what numpty would loan them out when we only have 2 experienced strikers in Mag & Novak.
Igor is another matter, and beyond my ken, as they used to say.
I've always said Mag is only good when 100% fit, and after plenty of match practice, which isn't that useful for a club in our position.
If we only have 300K to spend on a striker, then it's going to take a great feat of scouting to find one who'll join us.
My money's on a loan.0 -
Tease!Henry Irving said:Yann
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Home sick means you desperately want to go home. Charlton is home. We will play him and put him back in the shop window.
Come on Everton, you know it makes sense.1 - Sponsored links:
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Why would Everton want him in the shop window? No one is going to pay anywhere near the amount they did for him!Redrobo said:Home sick means you desperately want to go home. Charlton is home. We will play him and put him back in the shop window.
Come on Everton, you know it makes sense.
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No, you're right. Everton would much prefer he stayed on their books until his contract ran out. Not.sammy391 said:
Why would Everton want him in the shop window? No one is going to pay anywhere near the amount they did for him!Redrobo said:Home sick means you desperately want to go home. Charlton is home. We will play him and put him back in the shop window.
Come on Everton, you know it makes sense.
If he comes back to us, or anywhere else, and scores a few goals someone will want him and they could get their money back or close. If not, they took a punt and it did not work out. It will not bother them unduly.2 -
Is that Ben Reeves with him?Scoham said:3 -
It is obvious to everyone we need a striker, probably two. Strikers come at a premium, especially goalscoring ones, but it would be oh so typical of the board to not take the risk and spend some cash in this instance. It's been a decent summer by all accounts thus far, I don't think anyone would disagree, we've kept our key players and added some real quality going forward. It may be oversimplifying the situation to suggest another forward of quality will see us promoted, but it would certainly leave us in a very strong position. It's so frustrating that we won't up our budget to land that man, 300k ain't gonna buy you much if that rumoured figure is true, an untested punt from a few leagues below, maybe an unproven striker from some Scottish or northern side strapped for cash. You don't need to spend ten million, a striker going for that money isn't gonna come to league one, but if a player like Grigg/Matty Taylor, for example, is quoted at circa 1 mill and we don't stretch our budget it is silly, amateurish, stupid (assuming KR wants the player). The difference will easily be made up in increased gate receipts, more TV money etc if we get promoted.1
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Is that our mate Wim de Cort (or whatever his name was) with him?Scoham said:0 -
Completely understand that, but all over the above is assuming they want to sell (and that lookman wants to leave!)Redrobo said:
No, you're right. Everton would much prefer he stayed on their books until his contract ran out. Not.sammy391 said:
Why would Everton want him in the shop window? No one is going to pay anywhere near the amount they did for him!Redrobo said:Home sick means you desperately want to go home. Charlton is home. We will play him and put him back in the shop window.
Come on Everton, you know it makes sense.
If he comes back to us, or anywhere else, and scores a few goals someone will want him and they could get their money back or close. If not, they took a punt and it did not work out. It will not bother them unduly.
The lad is almost 20, it's to be expectef that he would be homesick but from what we saw of him here under Luzon/fraeye/Riga/slade/Robinson is that he's a very professional young lad! He knows he got an amazing chance in general and even more so now he's a premier league player!
He must be buzzing to be training with such experience in Wayne Rooney- who no doubt will be giving him tips etc for being a young talent!
Don't expect him to throw away premier league football (or even championship football) just because he is missing south London, he's much more astute than that!5 -
Quite a nice kit that!Scoham said:0 -
It looks like he's taken that photo while lying under the table.KiwiValley said:
Standing (and seating) room only at the Tony Watt Appreciation Society AGMHenry Irving said:0
