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The 2017 Summer Transfer Rumours Thread (Deadline Day from page 264)

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  • edited August 2017
    Swisdom said:

    Did I say I'm happy with it? NO so drop this apologist bullshit.

    igor has had 2 years to get fit and hasn't managed it. He pulled his groin didn't he? There's clearly some other underlying issue(s) that may or may not have been exacerbated by us but wasn't our medical team the same as before RD's arrival? (Genuine question)

    It's irrelevant who signed Ajose - he's never been right for us (I said it I'm the first time I saw him in a pre season against Bromley). He was however widely lauded as a great signing for us at the time so the club did what it thought was right and not many disagreed.

    Since these signings we have started to do things differently so there is evidence of progress but this striker situation is hugely shit - that we all agree on. We've done what we always do and left it to the last minute and will end up paying over the odds or being light up top and this isn't good enough if we have genuine promotion ambitions - which I believe we have.
    Still time to go but not signing anyone will undo much of the good work done so far. And it has been good so far.



    Good points raised here. I'm deeply sceptical of the conspiracy theory that Vetokele was ruined by our medical staff, as many folk believe. I watched him closely in plenty of games and after the brief initial flourish (a brace at Brighton, wasn't it?) he lacked an application of some of the basic skills, let alone a willingness to hunt for the ball. A simple pass to him all alone in the box at home against Millwall that skidded under his boot and out of play springs immediately to mind. There were many other howlers. He went to Belgium and didn't score in the first 20 games. At some stage you just have to accept he isn't much of a player.

    And I agree about Ajose. My mate and I watched him play 45 minutes in the pre-season friendly at Welling, and despite him scoring a hat-trick of tap-ins from two yards, we were both convinced he was far too lightweight to make an impression in the League with us. How he scored 25 goals in a season at Swindon is a mystery; perhaps they had wingers and midfielders who supplied him with laser-like passes directly to his feet. We all know we haven't got the players capable of consistently delivering that quality of service.

    Novak played for 45 minutes in that Welling game, too - and it was patently obvious that his lumpen physique and slow wits weren't nearly good enough. My mate predicted he would be dropped from the first team by October. He was on the bench by September.

  • Good points raised here. I'm deeply sceptical of the conspiracy theory that Vetokele was ruined by our medical staff, as many folk believe. I watched him closely in plenty of games and after the brief initial flourish (a brace at Brighton, wasn't it?) he lacked an application of some of the basic skills, let alone a willingness to hunt for the ball. A simple pass to him all alone in the box at home against Millwall that skidded under his boot and out of play springs immediately to mind. There were many other howlers.

    And I agree about Ajose. My mate and I watched him play 45 minutes in the pre-season friendly at Welling, and despite him scoring a hat-trick of tap-ins from two yards, we were both convinced he was far too lightweight to make an impression in the League with us. How he scored 25 goals in a season at Swindon is a mystery; perhaps they had wingers and midfielders who supplied him with laser-like passes directly to his feet. We all know we haven't got the players capable of consistently delivering that quality of service.

    Novak played for 45 minutes in that Welling game, too - and it was patently obvious that his lumpen physique and slow wits weren't nearly good enough. My mate predicted he would be dropped from the first team by October. He was on the bench by September.

    Agree re. Novak and Ajose but Vetokele was a baller before his injury, don't think our medical staff ruined him though, just think the injury ruined him
  • Ffs have a day off.

    You caused a massive row on Wednesday.
    Eh! massive row, must have missed that then!

    Thought this was a forum for all views not just the blinkered :wink:
  • I remember watching a compilation of Ajose's 25 goals that season and thinking 'these are kind of all penalties'
  • IT_Andy said:

    Especially with Josh wanting a new contract or threating to leave, then potentially we could have had no recognised forwards!
    irrelevant now he has signed a new one :)

    I hope we get rid of Novak and Lennon and use money on a striker. I know we may only have 2 with a load of youngsters behind them, but getting better than Novak to compete with Magennis is paramount.
  • 16 starts and 17 as a sub.
    So even 2 goals in 16 games isn't great. Mind you most of those games were under Mr Negative (Slade), so perhaps he deserves his chance playing up front with our improved midfield. Could be the making of him (or Magennis if he ever gets going properly).

  • edited August 2017
    T.C.E said:

    Rumour has it that KM has been watching this player for sometime and we expect to sign Geoff Hurst from World Cup winners West Ham very soon. ;)

    Edited : next Wednesday this may happen!
    lol
    And 18 year old may not be exactly what we need. But as back up, I guess beggars can't be etc etc
  • Hurst signed for Rotherham on loan

    I don't think they have but I would imagine that's a realistic destination for him.
  • We have our own 18yr olds

    Not for long we don't. ;)
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  • I don't know if it's been mentioned but Novak is the only first team player to have last years face shot picture on the website. To me that suggests he's not been around as he's not injured.

    Harry Lennon doesn't have a new squad picture but he's got a long term injury. Even the U23s have updated swuad pictures.
  • Lost Timmy Abraham a striker & brother of Tammy to Fulham & Largie Ramazani aged 16 a striker with bags of potential & ability to Manchester United. So not keeping hold of academy strikers who show promise.
    Worrying for the future!
  • edited August 2017

    Lost Timmy Abraham a striker & brother of Tammy to Fulham & Largie Ramazani aged 16 a striker with bags of potential & ability to Manchester United. So not keeping hold of academy strikers who show promise.
    Worrying for the future!

    The one who signed for Man United after playing for them in one trial is a joke. Whoever made that decision not to keep hold of him is going to prove to be a big mistake in my opinion.
  • Hurst signed for Rotherham on loan

    He was always going to stay up north.
  • He was always going to stay up north.
    So... people actually like living up there?
  • Sage said:

    The one who signed for Man United after playing for them in one trial is a joke. Whoever made that decision not to keep hold of him is going to prove to be a big mistake in my opinion.

    We didn't have a say in it. Largie's head was turned and his parents forced the issue. We did all we could but cannot compete with Man Utd. He's just like Defoe

    I'm told Timmy Abrahams isn't as good as he thinks an lives a bit on his brothers reputation.




  • Essex_Al said:

    Eh! massive row, must have missed that then!

    Thought this was a forum for all views not just the blinkered :wink:
    Realists v apologists refusing to open their eyes and admit defeat.

    I still like you though Al despite the nasty things you say about me!
  • Hurst signed for Rotherham on loan

    Always thought he'd come South.
  • Realists v apologists refusing to open their eyes and admit defeat.

    I still like you though Al despite the nasty things you say about me!
    Ah, the realist who died of an open mind.
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  • Always thought he'd come South.
    South...Yorkshire.
  • edited August 2017
    We won't get rid of Novak. Who is going to pay 6k a week in League 1? This is not the regimes fault. Slade wanted him and they backed Slade.
  • Redhenry said:

    We won't get rid of Novak. Who is going to pay 6k a week in League 1? This is not the regimes fault. Slade wanted him and they backed Slade.

    1 out of 2 Strikers that Slade wanted ain't bad.
  • Redhenry said:

    We won't get rid of Novak. Who is going to pay 6k a week in League 1? This is not the regimes fault. Slade wanted him and they backed Slade.

    That's just it, they won't need to pay him 6k - I'm sure we will just carry on subsidising his wages.
  • edited August 2017
    Redhenry said:

    We won't get rid of Novak. Who is going to pay 6k a week in League 1? This is not the regimes fault. Slade wanted him and they backed Slade.

    I thought we had Slade lined up before he took the job? I could be completely wrong and he was indeed Slade's Man
  • Redhenry said:

    We won't get rid of Novak. Who is going to pay 6k a week in League 1? This is not the regimes fault. Slade wanted him and they backed Slade.

    Have you forgotten who our owners are? We'll probably let a league one promotion rival take him and subsidise 5k a week of his wages.
  • vffvff
    edited August 2017
    Novak hasn't really settled at Charlton, I can't remember too many outstanding moments, apart from a couple of memorable misses. Maybe he just needs a run of games but needs to take his chance when it arrives. Sometimes it doesn't work out with players & it is best for them to move on.

    In normal club situations maybe that allows the current manager to get in a striker that he wants. Given that Watt, Vetekele & Ajose have moved on without replacement, there is no guarantee that Novak would be replaced. That would leave the frontline even more threadbare. That would be a concern.
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