The 2017 Summer Transfer Rumours Thread (Deadline Day from page 264)
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I don't think Akinde or Godden would be an upgrade on Novak, let alone Magennis. I think both would be third choice behind those two.MartinCAFC said:I don't think Akinde would even be an upgrade on Novak. Would rather see Hanlan or Umerah given a go instead.
I question why Akinde at the age of 28 who's played lower league football his whole career would now suddenly be worth a punt? I guess the same could have been said about signing Ricky Holmes last summer or other late bloomers like Ricky Lambert but they really are few and far between. I'd far rather we went all out for Grigg or Taylor in the same vein where we signed Pearce, Marshall, Reeves etc.
I really can't see Grigg or Taylor being options.1 -
If you can justify how a man who has hopped between non league and league 2 his whole career , with not a very prolific record, is a good buy on our seemingly tight budget then I'll happily admit my opinion is a wrong one. Until then I'm entitled to itcafc_harry said:
Good job your opinion doesn't matter then...Laddick01 said:Be honest I'd rather sign a back up wingback than Akinde
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Novak is not bad as cover in my view . Can we do better ? I agree that Akinde or Godden might not be upgrades .
I wonder if Novak in part exchange might appeal to Wigan for Grigg or maybe to Fleetwood for Devante Cole ?
Novak's record in L1 was quite good before signing for us .
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I think he needs a chance, as did Holmes.Laddick01 said:
If you can justify how a man who has hopped between non league and league 2 his whole career , with not a very prolific record, is a good buy on our seemingly tight budget then I'll happily admit my opinion is a wrong one. Until then I'm entitled to itcafc_harry said:
Good job your opinion doesn't matter then...Laddick01 said:Be honest I'd rather sign a back up wingback than Akinde
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Godden over Akinde for me6
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The advantage of getting somebody from the league below is they're likely to be a) much more hardworking than a loan from the Prem/Champ and b) willing to be a third striker and accept that they'll have to force their way into the side. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if this is KR trying to force the hand of Bristol City/Wigan over Grigg/Taylor (if those are in fact the two we've gone for).1
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Like the rest of you I'm desperate for the club show some actual ambition and give promotion back to the Championship a real go so if it's not a player of Griggs calibre I'd rather we didn't bother (meaning I'd rather we waited until Jan to get the right player in).
In my eyes it's simple. We are one proven goal scorer away from a genuine shot at automatic promotion this season. Failure to do so doesn't bare thinking about.6 -
Don't think that would be the case with Taylor. I can't imagine bristol city struggling to find a club to take Taylor on loan, could be true of a buyer for Grigg thoughCroydonAddick1 said:The advantage of getting somebody from the league below is they're likely to be a) much more hardworking than a loan from the Prem/Champ and b) willing to be a third striker and accept that they'll have to force their way into the side. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if this is KR trying to force the hand of Bristol City/Wigan over Grigg/Taylor (if those are in fact the two we've gone for).
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and neither does yourscafc_harry said:
Good job your opinion doesn't matter then...Laddick01 said:Be honest I'd rather sign a back up wingback than Akinde
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To me that starting 11 (plus Reeves and Marshall) is good enough for a proper shot at automatic. It's not as if we've had problems scoring so far this season, other than PlymouthflyingkiwiDK said:Like the rest of you I'm desperate for the club show some actual ambition and give promotion back to the Championship a real go so if it's not a player of Griggs calibre I'd rather we didn't bother (meaning I'd rather we waited until Jan to get the right player in).
In my eyes it's simple. We are one proven goal scorer away from a genuine shot at automatic promotion this season. Failure to do so doesn't bare thinking about.
I'm more worried about cover for Josh, than a replacement for Josh5 - Sponsored links:
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Not convinced Josh is a good enough goalscorer but I agree in principle. Still means if Josh isn't getting enough goals we have another options. If he is, then great. He is a very good player and might just have the season of his career with the creativity in this side.killerandflash said:
To me that starting 11 (plus Reeves and Marshall) is good enough for a proper shot at automatic. It's not as if we've had problems scoring so far this season, other than PlymouthflyingkiwiDK said:Like the rest of you I'm desperate for the club show some actual ambition and give promotion back to the Championship a real go so if it's not a player of Griggs calibre I'd rather we didn't bother (meaning I'd rather we waited until Jan to get the right player in).
In my eyes it's simple. We are one proven goal scorer away from a genuine shot at automatic promotion this season. Failure to do so doesn't bare thinking about.
I'm more worried about cover for Josh, than a replacement for Josh
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I'm with you on this. Josh may not be the most prolific, but he will get better service in this team than he ever has in his career. And in our system/with our first 11, we don't necessarily need a striker who will score 20 goals. The work Josh does off the ball, pressing, holding it up, occupying defenders and pulling the opposition defense out of position creates space for others, which is huge when you have the likes of Clarke, Reeves, Marshall, Fosu, JFC, and of course Holmes behind you.killerandflash said:
To me that starting 11 (plus Reeves and Marshall) is good enough for a proper shot at automatic. It's not as if we've had problems scoring so far this season, other than PlymouthflyingkiwiDK said:Like the rest of you I'm desperate for the club show some actual ambition and give promotion back to the Championship a real go so if it's not a player of Griggs calibre I'd rather we didn't bother (meaning I'd rather we waited until Jan to get the right player in).
In my eyes it's simple. We are one proven goal scorer away from a genuine shot at automatic promotion this season. Failure to do so doesn't bare thinking about.
I'm more worried about cover for Josh, than a replacement for Josh11 -
The thing is with Josh, he has scored two in the three games he has played for us. You then think back to those 3 games and in both the Plymouth and Northampton games, he could've easily had a hat trick. People would say about him not being the most prolific, but if he was, he wouldn't be in this league, instead he'd be top end Championship at least in my opinion.SDAddick said:
I'm with you on this. Josh may not be the most prolific, but he will get better service in this team than he ever has in his career. And in our system/with our first 11, we don't necessarily need a striker who will score 20 goals. The work Josh does off the ball, pressing, holding it up, occupying defenders and pulling the opposition defense out of position creates space for others, which is huge when you have the likes of Clarke, Reeves, Marshall, Fosu, JFC, and of course Holmes behind you.killerandflash said:
To me that starting 11 (plus Reeves and Marshall) is good enough for a proper shot at automatic. It's not as if we've had problems scoring so far this season, other than PlymouthflyingkiwiDK said:Like the rest of you I'm desperate for the club show some actual ambition and give promotion back to the Championship a real go so if it's not a player of Griggs calibre I'd rather we didn't bother (meaning I'd rather we waited until Jan to get the right player in).
In my eyes it's simple. We are one proven goal scorer away from a genuine shot at automatic promotion this season. Failure to do so doesn't bare thinking about.
I'm more worried about cover for Josh, than a replacement for Josh
As long as he stays fit, this side will create enough opportunities each game for Josh to score on a regular basis. He's so important to us and I firmly believe that he will score around 20 this season.
It's now about complimenting the team, having another dynamic added, another quality striker added to cover and improve. This is definitely the final piece of the jigsaw, and then we have the best shot at promotion we will ever have under our circumstances.8 -
Most 'prolific' strikers score at a rate of about 1 goal per 3 chances. Occasionally they'll have a bad game and can't hit a barn door. Other games they'll be on fire and bag a hattrick, but most weeks they'll miss more then they score. It was true for D. Bent and it was true for BWP. It is also true that Josh has missed a couple of particularly good chances this season, but his strike rate is adequate at the very least, so far, and he's playing in a new look attack, having been injured/ill for a decent chunk as well.Sage said:
The thing is with Josh, he has scored two in the three games he has played for us. You then think back to those 3 games and in both the Plymouth and Northampton games, he could've easily had a hat trick. People would say about him not being the most prolific, but if he was, he wouldn't be in this league, instead he'd be top end Championship at least in my opinion.SDAddick said:
I'm with you on this. Josh may not be the most prolific, but he will get better service in this team than he ever has in his career. And in our system/with our first 11, we don't necessarily need a striker who will score 20 goals. The work Josh does off the ball, pressing, holding it up, occupying defenders and pulling the opposition defense out of position creates space for others, which is huge when you have the likes of Clarke, Reeves, Marshall, Fosu, JFC, and of course Holmes behind you.killerandflash said:
To me that starting 11 (plus Reeves and Marshall) is good enough for a proper shot at automatic. It's not as if we've had problems scoring so far this season, other than PlymouthflyingkiwiDK said:Like the rest of you I'm desperate for the club show some actual ambition and give promotion back to the Championship a real go so if it's not a player of Griggs calibre I'd rather we didn't bother (meaning I'd rather we waited until Jan to get the right player in).
In my eyes it's simple. We are one proven goal scorer away from a genuine shot at automatic promotion this season. Failure to do so doesn't bare thinking about.
I'm more worried about cover for Josh, than a replacement for Josh
As long as he stays fit, this side will create enough opportunities each game for Josh to score on a regular basis. He's so important to us and I firmly believe that he will score around 20 this season.
It's now about complimenting the team, having another dynamic added, another quality striker added to cover and improve. This is definitely the final piece of the jigsaw, and then we have the best shot at promotion we will ever have under our circumstances.
I'm in the camp that people are underestimating Josh.13 -
Josh is an excellent player at this level and perfect for our current system. Like Yann, he always seems to take a few games after injury to be 'back to his best' and in that period he still has 2 in 3. He also has a fantastic work rate and seems to demand the best from those around him. We cannot realistically sign a striker that is better than him.
I haven't seen Godden play, but I have seen Akinde play a few times in his career. He would be an excellent addition for us this season. His goal record in the lower leagues is superb and his work rate is very good. He was the only reason Barnet stayed up last year. After signing Ricky last summer I don't think we can judge a player just because they haven't done it above league 2. There aren't many lower league strikers I would want more than him coming on with 20 mins to go to try and get you a goal.3 -
Josh will have to score 20+ goals if we are to get automatic promotion.2
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No, why does he need to!Redhenry said:Josh will have to score 20+ goals if we are to get automatic promotion.
Bolton's top league scorers last season were four different players with 9 goals each. That includes one of their centre half's.
Spread the goals around and keep it tight at the back.20 -
Interesting look at the goals record of Sheffield United last season with Billy Sharp the only real constant source.shirty5 said:
No, why does he need to!Redhenry said:Josh will have to score 20+ goals if we are to get automatic promotion.
Bolton's top league scorers last season were four different players with 9 goals each. That includes one of their centre half's.
Spread the goals around and keep it tight at the back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Sheffield_United_F.C._season#Goals_record
As you say, doesnt matter where the goals from so long as it goes in the net!!3 -
can somebody explain what meh means cause I'm a bit old you see.0
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expressing a lack of interest or enthusiasmAcab said:can somebody explain what meh means cause I'm a bit old you see.
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A bit like Russell Slade thenForeverAddickted said:
expressing a lack of interest or enthusiasmAcab said:can somebody explain what meh means cause I'm a bit old you see.
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I think RD might fit into the lack of interest bit too, especially when we are playing football matches.blackpool72 said:
A bit like Russell Slade thenForeverAddickted said:
expressing a lack of interest or enthusiasmAcab said:can somebody explain what meh means cause I'm a bit old you see.
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So why mehForeverAddickted said:
expressing a lack of interest or enthusiasmAcab said:can somebody explain what meh means cause I'm a bit old you see.
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Its shorter and quicker to write "meh" instead of saying... "Am sorry I have a lack of interest or enthusiasm in your post"Acab said:
So why mehForeverAddickted said:
expressing a lack of interest or enthusiasmAcab said:can somebody explain what meh means cause I'm a bit old you see.
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With the sheer number of chances being created this season, compared to the dearth of decent opportunities created last season - he might well get around the 20 mark. It's a numbers game: create plenty of chances and a reasonable number will get converted.Redhenry said:Josh will have to score 20+ goals if we are to get automatic promotion.
Perhaps it should also be borne in mind: nearly every 20 + goalscorer takes penalties for his team, which adds to his tally from other set pieces and open play.
Josh doesn't take penalties.
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Josh has four in his last six league games. It's only a small section of games, but I think he has it in his locker to get 15 plus. No reason why that shouldn't be good enough with others getting on the scoresheet as well.8
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Going over old ground but we will need 70 goals to be in the playoffs. Josh scores 20 ???? We still need 50 goals spread around the team. Anything less than 20 be it through injury or otherwise and I think promotion is a non starter.shirty5 said:
No, why does he need to!Redhenry said:Josh will have to score 20+ goals if we are to get automatic promotion.
Bolton's top league scorers last season were four different players with 9 goals each. That includes one of their centre half's.
Spread the goals around and keep it tight at the back.
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