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  • adrian
    adrian Posts: 760

    Anyone watch the Monte Carlo show? Strange watching with those chandeliers hanging!

    The bought the comms pair were over bigging up the German fighting Chisora, and thought Eubank got a bit of a promoters decision from his

    Brave Chisora nearly created an upset.
    Future very promising for Russian Bivol . 12 out of 12, with 10 knock-outs
    40/50 years ago, this set-up (bow ties, dining and chandeliers) was quite common.
    Ah, those were the days, with no fighting between the fans!
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,844
    adrian said:

    Anyone watch the Monte Carlo show? Strange watching with those chandeliers hanging!

    The bought the comms pair were over bigging up the German fighting Chisora, and thought Eubank got a bit of a promoters decision from his

    Brave Chisora nearly created an upset.
    Future very promising for Russian Bivol . 12 out of 12, with 10 knock-outs
    40/50 years ago, this set-up (bow ties, dining and chandeliers) was quite common.
    Ah, those were the days, with no fighting between the fans!
    Regrettably there has always been fighting between fans - well for the 40 years or so I’ve been going to professional boxing.

    I’m at an annual black tie do next Tuesday (amateur) that I’ve been going to for years and that will be different, albeit it gets a bit messy in the pub afterwards at around 2am. I learned years ago always to book the next day off work!

  • Bob I may have a table at the jollyboys this year if you fancy it ??
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,844

    Bob I may have a table at the jollyboys this year if you fancy it ??

    Yes definitely.
  • No worries I am with woodsy next week he has promised me a table so I will speak with him and let you know

    Been trying to get a table there for two yrs about time he came good
  • Joshua beats Fury
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    edited November 2017
  • two fight of the year contenders tonight with Leather vs Foot ( Leather by KO for me) the first 4 rds should be brutal as there is real bad blood

    Then a very decent rematch between Liam Smith and Liam williams

    First fight Smith missed weight and looked shocking tbh it was a dirty fight all the way through and although i fully accept that Smith planted a nut on Williams which caused the fight to be stopped, if you watch the full rd 5 to 10 secs earlier Williams does the exact same thing and imo this caused smith to do it back,

    This time i dont think Smith has ever taken a fight more seriously , he is in tremendous shape and from people that regularly spar with him the power and timing is absolutely spot on

    Williams will want to prove he didn't quit or gas , and will be out to prove a point

    Liam Smith by KO or TKO 8-10 for me

    but its a sit down get the Gin out and really enjoy what could turn out to be a truly magnificent and memorable UK card
  • haye injured again and going to pull out is coming out from inside his camp
  • stackitsteve
    stackitsteve Posts: 12,102
    How'd you have the Leather/Foot fight @nth london addick ?
    I missed it, know it was a UD for Leather but majority of comments on twitter had Foot just edging it.
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  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    edited November 2017
    I thought Leather threw the classy punches all night but didn’t work hard enough and even with the deductions I had foot winning by 1 can see how it went his way though

    Foot fought a messy intense fight but used his elbows and head in ways I don’t like but never lost a point for elbow or head

    I really like Leather he has great punches in his locker
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,825
    Thought Foot won it and was very harshly treated with Leather getting the promoters call.

    Great fight
  • Was a great fight

    I wish the smith Williams one would spark into life
  • Right on q

    That’s the rd of the night
  • stackitsteve
    stackitsteve Posts: 12,102
    Got to give it to Tyson, even 7 stone over weight his footwork and hand speed are still impressive, especially for a man of his size.
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  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,677
    If Tyson fury can get his body and mind in shape then he is the man.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    edited November 2017
    The mind is fixed and has been for the last 12 months Imo it’s the body and desire that’s the biggest hurdle , I genuinely believe the desire is there and you only need to look at how Deontay wilder throws to realise he would ko wilder the second he started to open his body to throw a windmill right

    AJ is just focusing on size and strength and not going into deep water late on he is reverting to the body builder Tyson has always called him and the only way AJ beats Tyson is to be 17stone max or just under

    But that negates his power and AJ has one vulnerability and that is he is not the best timed boxer his defence and power are often out of time and he has struggled to overcome this since amateurs , we are talking the finest margins here I am not saying AJ is shit at all or even not world class as he is, Tyson os not blessed with devastating power but he has the best timing of all of them he has the best technique of all of them and he has the best footwork and lateral movement of all of them

    Those three components make him the biggest threat to AJ

    This knowledge has given Tyson the desire needed to get fit and motivated
  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,827
    edited November 2017

    The mind is fixed and has been for the last 12 months Imo it’s the body and desire that’s the biggest hurdle , I genuinely believe the desire is there and you only need to look at how Deontay wilder throws to realise he would ko wilder the second he started to open his body to throw a windmill right

    AJ is just focusing on size and strength and not going into deep water late on he is reverting to the body builder Tyson has always called him and the only way AJ beats Tyson is to be 17stone max or just under

    But that negates his power and AJ has one vulnerability and that is he is not the best timed boxer his defence and power are often out of time and he has struggled to overcome this since amateurs , we are talking the finest margins here I am not saying AJ is shit at all or even not world class as he is, Tyson os not blessed with devastating power but he has the best timing of all of them he has the best technique of all of them and he has the best footwork and lateral movement of all of them

    Those three components make him the biggest threat to AJ

    This knowledge has given Tyson the desire needed to get fit and motivated

    Joshua has been written off by many over the years as too muscle bound, the new Frank Bruno etc and has always silenced the critics. OK he has not fought anyone of note beyond Klitschko so a relative easy journey of hand picked cab drivers and over - hyped matches like Whyte, Martin etc. Whilst he has been protected it also comes down to the fact it's an appalling era for heavyweight boxing and there are only a handful of real half decent names in the game, Wilder, Klitschko and Fury being them with maybe a couple of others on the periphery.

    The economics of boxing mean that none of the "top rated" fighters will fight each other straight away because stringing it out, building up an 0 (albeit against tomato cans) and hyping yourself and ergo the eventual clash when you do step in with someone who doesn't look like he will be driving an Uber the following day will be worth it purse wise and worth the risk of losing and therefore potentially substantially reducing your future earning /power in an age where having a perfect W record seems to superficially hold more esteem than fighting absolutely everybody as and when as in days of yesterday.


    When Klitschko floored him I thought maybe the critics had called it right and I was going to be exposed as another "AJ fanboy" who has been suckered into the masterful PR and "badboy done good" narrative.

    For the record I have no time for that bollocks. I don't like the cynical way he or those around him exploit the bit of weed dealing and general asbo-ness of his youth and have tried to make out he was some sort of gangsta as the kids would say....(he is not and when put against some of the real "bad asses" in the sport he's comparatively a boy scout.) so as to somehow enhance his "journey" to success.

    He is a BBC, media - friendly PR dream in looks, conduct and charisma albeit many find bland.

    For all of that it does not detract from the fact he can actually box, can take a punch and has got a ruthlessness that wipes away the tv friendly persona in the flick of a switch....he destroyed Whyte who was said to be a test and proved his worth at this level in his recover and subsequent demolition of an albeit past prime Wlad.

    There is only really Wilder and Fury that will test him and in my opinion he beats both.

    I would like to see him face Wilder first and also see Fury face Wilder....the Brits win both fights in my book.

    I really like Fury, his personality and his fighting ability....he is a hard, scary man that can box and box very well for someone of such freakish size.

    I think that a fight in the next 2 years between a fully fit and functioning Fury and a Joshua in his prime will be (on paper) one of the biggest domestic dust ups for generations and one of the best heavyweight pair ups for years. Hopefully it would live up to the (bound to be dreadful hype) and hopefully it will happen.

    So many variables, Fury's desire, promoter's and tv stations agendas and sanctioning bodies politics but we can hope.
  • Saw Martin Bakole on Saturday. Inexperienced but good array of punches.
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  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    edited November 2017
    I really like AJ... I thought he'd lose that Klitschko fight after he gassed himself out, but it turned into a classic bout
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    edited November 2017
    I ain’t writing him off far from it , I just think and it’s a personal opion n that he has leveled off there’s no more going to come from him and he is now in an elite level

    He is far above Whyte, Miller, Parker and wilder

    But and this is the key if AJ goes into any of those above over 17 stone it’s a harder night than it should be

    If he goes in heavier than 17 stone against a fit fury not only is it a hard night he loses

    I don’t buy the PR bullshit around AJ same as I don’t for one min buy the overly nice guy bit

    I do buy into his power His fitness His durability and his recovery ability all of which make him an elite level heavy weight

    But he has timing issues his footwork is not the best and his head and lateral movement make him easy to hit if he is too heavy and can not move around the ring quick enough from rds 5 onwards

    All of which a fit focused fury will exploit , the biggest strength Tyson has is people think he is a thick gypsie bastd and he ain’t he has studied the game he watches boxing videos and clips from years and years gone by he has intensely watched studied and collated stuff from all the greats he is a font of boxing knowledge

    But more than that he has learnt the whole craft not just one or two aspects

    It’s heany weight boxing the right punch from any of them at the right time and it’s game over

    But you can’t beat what you can’t hit and that’s the best defence of any boxer it is ultimately what the art is

    Hit without getting hit and Tyson was the best there was out there however right now AJ is the best at hitting and that’s why this fight is a dream fight for Hearn

    But be prepared for a boring 12 rd boxing match not a fight that AJ would need it to be



  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    What I get a sense of is that Fury, for all the fluff, thinks about boxing, and talks about the sweet science etc, whereas AJ has a sadistic streak and enjoys hurting people, which is at odds to their public personas.

    If fury can dictate the pace he wins 12 rounds, but I think AJ can deck him... Depends if AJ is overly muscled and of Fury is overly fat!
  • JT
    JT Posts: 12,348
    Amir Khan in im a celeb. Thought he was in training to fight again soon. He done half talk some bollocks.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,728
    JT said:

    Amir Khan in im a celeb. Thought he was in training to fight again soon. He done half talk some bollocks.

    Hopefully now everyone will see him for the shit talker he is. He's not been relevant in boxing for years, but still believes he has some allah given right to fight Mayweather, and still calls him out even though he's retired!

  • Amir khan I feel for to be honest

    Poorly advised has had family members shit on him and take from him

    A very public near breakdown Event over his old woman

    Yet has been fearless in pursuit of greatness yeah he came up short on occasions but he wanted to fight the best out there and got in and done it

    The kell brook va khan is just this decades Hatton vs Witter

    Both know that either fighter could’ve won and both know that if they lost that was the end of road better to duck and avoid and play the game and earn more

    Both khan and kell got fights on the back of the simmering fake rivalry that they would not have got in any other circumstances

    They both use each others name to get fights it’s part of the charade

    I am annoyed he has gone in the jungle same as I was annoyed Froch went dancing
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,980
    Would love Fury to drop Joshua.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    edited November 2017
    We will find out soon enough mate and I can only pray one of the boxers I sponsor is fortunate to get on the card and I can get my ringside seats to watch it as part of my deal

    Otherwise that’s a £1500-£2500 fight Per ticket and I can’t see me being in a position to pay that
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,844

    Amir khan I feel for to be honest

    Poorly advised has had family members shit on him and take from him

    A very public near breakdown Event over his old woman

    Yet has been fearless in pursuit of greatness yeah he came up short on occasions but he wanted to fight the best out there and got in and done it

    The kell brook va khan is just this decades Hatton vs Witter

    Both know that either fighter could’ve won and both know that if they lost that was the end of road better to duck and avoid and play the game and earn more

    Both khan and kell got fights on the back of the simmering fake rivalry that they would not have got in any other circumstances

    They both use each others name to get fights it’s part of the charade

    I am annoyed he has gone in the jungle same as I was annoyed Froch went dancing

    Yes I also have some sympathy for Khan and I know some of the hangers on he has supported.

    I'm not a medic of course but whenever he speaks (not just how but the way he repeats himself) could be an indication of being 'punchy'. He has taken some serious blows.

    That said - I would love Brook/Khan.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,844

    We will find out soon enough mate and I can only pray one of the boxers I sponsor is fortunate to get on the card and I can get my ringside seats to watch it as part of my deal

    Otherwise that’s a £1500-£2500 fight Per ticket and I can’t see me being in a position to pay that

    Prices are becoming sillier by the card but I couldn't not be at ringside for AJ/Fury. I'm also in Vegas in May next year and hoping Golovkin/Canelo 2 takes place on the 5 May in Vegas - it will take place then, I'm sure, but could be Dallas.

    Add to that Groves/Eubank and it could be an expensive year!!